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She also told the Duke of Wellington to "give her a leg up, man" when she stole a horse*S

I was with them right up until Dukes of Hazzard reruns got pulled.

It's interesting to note the differences between Germanys treatment of their old flag to that of the confederate states (and similar non-flag postwar issues), and the consequent effects this has seemed to have.

Grim..., I think it's time we met your Mum. Can she come to the BBQ please?

Goddess Jasmine wrote:

Grim..., I think it's time we met your Mum. Can she come to the BBQ please?

I'm pretty sure she turned up on Sunday morning last year.

Anyway, she can't come. Who'd look after the Grimlet?

My view is quite simple: use in the historical context, say at a museum, a re-enactment, or even next to a war memoral is fine, otherwise I don't like seeing it.

Heads up, y'all, but I may be having that US Civil War exhibition this year as part of Diffusion's 'Looking for America' photography festival here in Cardiff. I'm in talks and should know more by the time of the BeexBQ, hopefully.

Kern, if it goes ahead feel free to have some crash space and a great quantity of free beer if you'd like to attend the opening night at the start of October. I'll have a book for you too.

Man, there'll be a hell of a lot to do to prep it, and it'll cost me a fair whack in the end... but exhibition!

And if I do retire, I'm only going to have to find a new outdoorsy hobby to occupy my weekends and I still don't want to return to Scouting just yet.

You mean "when I think of Mali, my nose twitches".

That's an interesting point. If you showed up in a General's get-up, what would happen?

It would take just over eight hours to get my tractor there

Author:	Cavey [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:34 ]
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Someone actually died for real, others were set on fire & a horse also died? Seriously?

Author:	Kern [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:02 ]
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With that number of participants, it's probable that accidents might happen. Question of whether they were accidents or the result of lax safety procedures within their groups. Grim... wrote: She also told the Duke of Wellington to "give her a leg up, man" when she stole a horse*S Heh. Re-enacting's great for surreal moments like that.

Author:	Cavey [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:10 ]
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So it's accurate then? Blimey. Don't want to come across as all Disgruntled of Tunbridge Wells here , but on the face of it, I'd have to be concerned about animals getting killed over this. To my mind, people have the ability to weigh up their own personal risk assessments as long as they're made aware of the likely hazards beforehand and have the correct training and information etc. (I suppose thrill sports are of a similar vein, at least to my eyes), but it's not like horses etc. get a choice in the matter. Doubtless quite a few could also be distressed by battle scenes, explosions and stuff? (I realise, of course, that horses routinely die in horse racing events, Grand National etc., but then I don't agree with that either).

Author:	Kern [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:19 ]
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I don't do cavalry but from what I'm aware of the horses have to be specially trained to tolerate the sound of gun fire and cannons etc, very much like police horses. I remember my platoon once being asked to form up at attention whilst a new horse was led up to us and examined us all over to start recognising things (unless that was an elaborate prank). I've seen horses bolt and run before, and once had an argument mid-display with a sergeant about continuing to fire with animals approaching (well, I say 'argument' but it was more like me saying words to the effect of 'no I won't, please go and commit an anatomical impossibility' and didn't). I would hope that a good horseman would take very good care of their animals and not involve them in something they couldn't tolerate as they would have to spend a lot to equip, train, and tranport them. The large cavalry battles I've seen in the US were very impressive. Course, the whole point of being a cavalryman is to look pretty and prance about in front of female members of the public

Author:	Cavey [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:23 ]
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Fair enough Kern. I know absolutely nothing on this subject; was just a bit surprised by Grim...'s revelations.

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Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:10 ]
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The horse died of sunstroke - it was properly hot. Apparently the person who died had a heart attack on their way to hospital after suffering burns from a leaking pyrotechnic flamethrowing thing. The event has had good coverage on the news if you'd like to search for it, and apparently Mrs. Grim... snr had her photo in the Daily Mail (spit) on Saturday. As for it not being fair on the animals, maybe so - but bear in mind that if they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't.

Author:	Kern [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:07 ]
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I've stayed out of the recent uproar amongst the colonials over the use of the Confederate battle flag, other than to answer questions from colleagues and as a helpful way for identifing people to unfollow or defriend on sinister Facebook . But news that South Carolina has voted to remove it from the statehouse is the right decision and a step forward for that state's attempts to grapple with their past. My view is quite simple: use in the historical context, say at a museum, a re-enactment, or even next to a war memoral is fine, otherwise I don't like seeing it. Vexillological errors are unforgiveable, frankly

Author:	Grim... [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:11 ]
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I was with them right up until Dukes of Hazzard reruns got pulled.

Author:	Kern [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:11 ]
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Grim... wrote: I was with them right up until Dukes of Hazzard reruns got pulled. That too. And the desecration of one of the coolest cars ever was even worse. Don't care much for over-the-top reactions either.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 13:04 ]
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It's interesting to note the differences between Germanys treatment of their old flag to that of the confederate states (and similar non-flag postwar issues), and the consequent effects this has seemed to have.

Author:	Kern [ Thu Jul 09, 2015 13:21 ]
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Mr Dave wrote: It's interesting to note the differences between Germanys treatment of their old flag to that of the confederate states (and similar non-flag postwar issues), and the consequent effects this has seemed to have. Aye. How the war is remembered, and how American and, especially, Southern identity is shaped by it, can be just as fascinating as the events themselves. Germany is a good comparator, because after the war, (especially in the former West Germany - the GDR considered itself born without sin) a lot of effort and pressure was put to admit the crimes of the past. In the former south, after the Reconstruction period ended in the 1870s, the old order more or less reasserted itself and remained in control until the civil rights movement. If you are interested in such things, the CW Memory blog often has interesting posts on this topic. I really recommend the Horowitz book ('Confederates in the attic') that got me into this period too.

Author:	Goddess Jasmine [ Fri Jul 10, 2015 19:24 ]
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Grim..., I think it's time we met your Mum. Can she come to the BBQ please?

Author:	Grim... [ Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:38 ]
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Goddess Jasmine wrote: Grim..., I think it's time we met your Mum. Can she come to the BBQ please? I'm pretty sure she turned up on Sunday morning last year. Anyway, she can't come. Who'd look after the Grimlet?

Author:	Goddess Jasmine [ Sat Jul 11, 2015 23:03 ]
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Grim... wrote: Goddess Jasmine wrote: Grim..., I think it's time we met your Mum. Can she come to the BBQ please? I'm pretty sure she turned up on Sunday morning last year. Anyway, she can't come. Who'd look after the Grimlet? Your Dad?

Author:	NervousPete [ Tue Jul 14, 2015 23:36 ]
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Oh, forgot to say, I'm kind of hooked on this: http://civilwarpodcast.org/ I'm 30 episodes in and it is really rather good. Well worth listening to, each episode is half an hour long and it is both easy to follow and very entertaining. Bonus points for the husband-wife team who host it, as the man sounds just like the dude from Portlandia, and so now I imagine it's them two from the top hipster-mocking TV show.

Author:	romanista [ Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:49 ]
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kern, just wanted to mention that dutch radio programme OVT (onvoltooid verleden tijd, simple past tense) made a show on the first negro battalion in the civil war.. you an listen to it here, it is of course in dutch, but the interview are in english so still thought you might like it http://www.npogeschiedenis.nl/speler.RB ... 76316.html

Author:	NervousPete [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 13:38 ]
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I'm sorry to hear that, Kern buddy, but then if you're not feeling it anymore I guess it's worth considering. As for a replacement pursuit, have you thought of photography? Cough I reckon I'll do the reenacting circuit again this year and get more material, though I'll have to get on top of things and contact the guys. I'll see what's doable. Maybe I'll get a pup tent and a new civilian uniform. Anyway, I'll definitely see you at Fortress Wales if you're going. Oh, and how about an Oxford meet in the coming months, most likely a few weeks after Easter?

Author:	myp [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 15:04 ]
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I found "be"ing Mali rather than myself I actually fared less well with Wendy than normal.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:59 ]
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Kern wrote: My view is quite simple: use in the historical context, say at a museum, a re-enactment, or even next to a war memoral is fine, otherwise I don't like seeing it. Relatedly, people are campaigning to remove statues of Cecil Rhodes here in Oxford. Yes, Rhodes was a nasty little shit. But so were most of the university's donors over the past 800 years. People aren't waving statues of him as an incitement or provocation, and the things are in the historical context. Unless you know where the statue is and who he is, you're likely to pass straight by it, and he's part of the town's history, for good or ill.

Author:	NervousPete [ Tue Jul 14, 2015 23:32 ]
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Heads up, y'all, but I may be having that US Civil War exhibition this year as part of Diffusion's 'Looking for America' photography festival here in Cardiff. I'm in talks and should know more by the time of the BeexBQ, hopefully. Kern, if it goes ahead feel free to have some crash space and a great quantity of free beer if you'd like to attend the opening night at the start of October. I'll have a book for you too. Man, there'll be a hell of a lot to do to prep it, and it'll cost me a fair whack in the end... but exhibition!

Author:	Kern [ Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:58 ]
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NervousPete wrote: Heads up, y'all, but I may be having that US Civil War exhibition this year as part of Diffusion's 'Looking for America' photography festival here in Cardiff. I'm in talks and should know more by the time of the BeexBQ, hopefully. Excellent stuff! I'll check out that podcast too. Looking at the episode list, it seems they cover a lot of ground.

Author:	Kern [ Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:54 ]
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Thanks, will check it out later. Always interested in stuff about the USCT althogh sadly I don't think I've ever met any re-enactors of them when I've been over alas (though I'm aware some do exist) 'Glory' is one of the best war films ever made. I've watched it several times and still get emotional over it.

Author:	Kern [ Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:56 ]
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NervousPete wrote: Heads up, y'all, but I may be having that US Civil War exhibition this year as part of Diffusion's 'Looking for America' photography festival here in Cardiff. I'm in talks and should know more by the time of the BeexBQ, hopefully. Kern, if it goes ahead feel free to have some crash space and a great quantity of free beer if you'd like to attend the opening night at the start of October. I'll have a book for you too. Man, there'll be a hell of a lot to do to prep it, and it'll cost me a fair whack in the end... but exhibition! Opening night tonight! Congratulations Pete.

Author:	Kern [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:12 ]
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Being thinking very hard lately about whether it's time to hang up the musket for good. I'm finding it hard to explain this sense of ennui with the hobby (at least in ways that don't sound harsh on people I consider my friends), but at the moment it feels like I've taken it as far as I can. Might just go to one or two events once the season starts in the spring and see if that is sufficient to change my mind, although the ones I went to last year didn't help me regainmy enthusiasm. And if I do retire, I'm only going to have to find a new outdoorsy hobby to occupy my weekends and I still don't want to return to Scouting just yet.

Author:	myp [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:13 ]
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That's a shame, but you should only really do something if you enjoy it.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:19 ]
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Kern wrote: And if I do retire, I'm only going to have to find a new outdoorsy hobby to occupy my weekends and I still don't want to return to Scouting just yet. Well the answer is obvious:Real life Malicool simulator. You too can reyreat to some strange parallel universe.

Author:	Grim... [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:21 ]
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LARP, innit?

Author:	Kern [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:21 ]
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Dear god, no.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:23 ]
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Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:28 ]
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Incidentally, my nose still occasionally hurts after "be"ing, Mali last year. Thinking about it, I don't recommend Mali LARPing or Mali Cosplay.

Author:	MaliA [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:48 ]
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You mean "when I think of Mali, my nose twitches".

Author:	myp [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 13:00 ]
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MaliA wrote: You mean "when I think of Mali, my nose twitches". You don't smell that bad, mate.

Author:	Mr Dave [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 15:03 ]
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MaliA wrote: You mean "when I think of Mali, my nose twitches". No, I mean '"be"ing Mali gets you punched hard in the face'

Author:	Kern [ Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:29 ]
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In another thread, Grim... wrote: That's an interesting point. If you showed up in a General's get-up, what would happen? Laughed at, and politely asked to leave. The clubs (and when I've been at stuff in the US, the event organisers) have rules about this. But anyone who thinks they are commanding men is seriously misguided. As one of the people in the hobby I most respect once put it 'every order at an event contains a silent 'please''. It's not the military, after all. Personally, I would rather put my effort into doing one impression well: if there's nobody in the ranks who knows what they're doing we're going to be putting on a poor show for the public. EDIT: Plus I really can't be bothered to take on any more responsibilities than I currently do, and I certainly don't want to learn another set of drill commands.

Author:	Kern [ Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:24 ]
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Finally able to get to an event this year! I'll be at the Rempstone Steam Rally in Leicestershire with my friends in the 118th Pennsylvania and the ACWS. If you're in the area, do drop by. Looks like quite a good line up.

Author:	Grim... [ Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:21 ]
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It would take just over eight hours to get my tractor there

Author:	Kern [ Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:01 ]
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Really glad I went. I was initially planning on just daytripping but stayed for the whole weekend. The weather was pretty bad Saturday morning but got better in the afternoon and stayed fine until the tents were took down on Sunday afternoon (always the most annoying time for moisture). The site was pretty boggy, however. Due to the conditions we only did one battle on the Saturday, but were able to do both a battle and a firing display on Sunday. For the latter, rather than just go through the various types of firing before setting off the cannons, the society decided to demonstrate for the public the likely affects of various types of cannon fire (grapeshot, canister, ball). We all lined up facing the cannons and as each type was described and the cannon fired, prearranged sections of the line fell. A novel way of illustrating it.

Author:	Kern [ Tue Jul 12, 2016 20:40 ]
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Grim... wrote: It would take just over eight hours to get my tractor there Flicking through a stranger's photos on Flickr, came across this shot, and thought of you (it was quite jolly to watch it pull it up the slope). And, er, 'sarge, what am I supposed to do with this long thing you've given me?'