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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:08 
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My question 17 is not blank! According to the internets and my memory.


Ooh - what was it then?

It pertains to the Welsh language.

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In fairness, I've always felt slightly uneasy when reading club by-laws or other regulations and I see something like:

4.b No member shall dance the Morris on club time without the consent of the Committee
4.c This section is kept blank

Why would you pass an empty rule? I think they're out to get us.


It would have been a rule that has since been revoked and they don't want to have to renumber the existing sections.


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It pertains to the Welsh language.


Is your answer ‘Let it die’?


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'Is a myth'

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It pertains to the Welsh language.


Is your answer ‘Let it die’?

Seeing as I am learning it at the moment, no.

Edit: not because I especially want to, though.

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Is your answer 'Gadael iddo farw' then?

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Is your answer 'Gadael iddo farw' then?

Nac ydw. Mae fy hofrenfad yn llawn llyswennod.

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Is your answer 'Gadael iddo farw' then?

Nac ydw. Mae fy hofrenfad yn llawn llyswennod.

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Eels, you say?

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I'm waiting for the Cornish nationalists to protest about the lack of recognition of their cultural needs.


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 Post subject: Re: Census
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Eels, you say?

Yes. Yes, I do.

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Craster wrote:
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My question 17 is not blank! According to the internets and my memory.


Ooh - what was it then?

Bearing in mind that you'd never have seen anything to fill in if you did it on the internet.

Also - shock news! A government-funded website that actually worked pretty damned well!


Didn't they outsource it to some weapons manufacturer?

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Yeah, Lockheed. Still, most of the rest of the Govt Gateway stuff is outsourced and it's all rancid shite.

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The car tax thing seems to work pretty well.


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Yeah, Lockheed. Still, most of the rest of the Govt Gateway stuff is outsourced and it's all rancid shite.

:this: The unbridled pleasure of dealing with HMRC via the gateway is something that brings me out in a cold sweat. It's slow like it's 1997 and it crashes more often than a percussionist's cymbals. Oh, and the best bit is when you have to speak to someone at HMRC about using the gateway. They have two advisory departments, one on how to use the gateway but knows nothing about taxation, and one on tax, who doesn't know anything about using the gateway!

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I need to sit down and complete it (then convince my housemate that he should). As for the religion question, as it's voluntary I'm leaving it blank. None of the government's business, as far as I am concerned.


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 Post subject: Re: Census
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Without wanting to make it my business, why wouldn't you want them to know?

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The car tax thing seems to work pretty well.


Other than the fact you have to use a bizarre Government Gateway ID that is autogenerated and sent to your house, so you have to get it reset, which is easy enough, letting you complete the process, then they send you another Government Gateway ID. I think I have seven now. Oh, and heaven help you if you ever hit the back button.

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 Post subject: Re: Census
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The car tax thing seems to work pretty well.


Other than the fact you have to use a bizarre Government Gateway ID that is autogenerated and sent to your house, so you have to get it reset, which is easy enough, letting you complete the process, then they send you another Government Gateway ID. I think I have seven now. Oh, and heaven help you if you ever hit the back button.

Huh? I just tap in my number plate, and a number from the car tax reminder. I haven't come across this Government Gateway ID that you speak of.


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 Post subject: Re: Census
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Without wanting to make it my business, why wouldn't you want them to know?


Give me a drink and I'll happily discuss where I think I stand on matters theological, and I'm always interested in what others think and how it affects their lives. The history and culture of religion fascinates me, but whether I choose to disclose where I (currently) stand is a decision for me. I'm uncomfortable with it being recorded on a form, and I doubt anyone's position can really be simplified down to a tickbox.

Just like sex, religion is a personal matter best kept behind closed doors between you and the Being you're doing it with.

And currently, I'm not getting any


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 Post subject: Re: Census
PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 13:24 
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Huh? I just tap in my number plate, and a number from the car tax reminder. I haven't come across this Government Gateway ID that you speak of.


Actually, I think I'm wrong there and you're right. Because the reminder form has a unique ID on it, you don't have to bother. Go apply for a driving license though, that's a ton of fun.

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 Post subject: Re: Census
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Huh? I just tap in my number plate, and a number from the car tax reminder. I haven't come across this Government Gateway ID that you speak of.


Actually, I think I'm wrong there and you're right. Because the reminder form has a unique ID on it, you don't have to bother. Go apply for a driving license though, that's a ton of fun.


I used that Taxdisc site this very morning to re-declare* my bike as SORN**. It was as simple as typing in the reference number from the warning letter, then click a couple of Next buttons. Job done.


*Why do I have to do this every year, you cunting fucks?
**I should really, really get around to telling them it's been scrapped. Seriously.


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 Post subject: Re: Census
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Without wanting to make it my business, why wouldn't you want them to know?


Give me a drink and I'll happily discuss where I think I stand on matters theological, and I'm always interested in what others think and how it affects their lives. The history and culture of religion fascinates me, but whether I choose to disclose where I (currently) stand is a decision for me. I'm uncomfortable with it being recorded on a form, and I doubt anyone's position can really be simplified down to a tickbox.

Just like sex, religion is a personal matter best kept behind closed doors between you and the Being you're doing it with.

And currently, I'm not getting any

But as has been stated, for both religion and sexuality, if the government doesn't know you exist, it can't do anything about it, or fail to act on your behalf.


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**I should really, really get around to telling them it's been scrapped. Seriously.



Uh...oh...


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 Post subject: Re: Census
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Give me a drink and I'll happily discuss where I think I stand on matters theological, and I'm always interested in what others think and how it affects their lives. The history and culture of religion fascinates me, but whether I choose to disclose where I (currently) stand is a decision for me. I'm uncomfortable with it being recorded on a form, and I doubt anyone's position can really be simplified down to a tickbox.


The point is though, politicians are arseholes. If 90% of the people fill that out as Jewish, they'll think "Gosh, Judaism is unexpectedly popular. If we pass a law mandating attendance at temple on Saturdays, we'll get re-elected for sure!"

Silly example, but you get my point.

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Alternatively, my bike has been sat in my parent's shed for 10 years, and I have never declared it as SORN, nor renewed the tax.


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**I should really, really get around to telling them it's been scrapped. Seriously.



Uh...oh...


I know. I can't find the V5, either, so I'll have to request a new one before I do it. Unless I can declare these things online, which I doubt.


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The point is though, politicians are arseholes.


I agree with that point entirely.

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If 90% of the people fill that out as Jewish, they'll think "Gosh, Judaism is unexpectedly popular. If we pass a law mandating attendance at temple on Saturdays, we'll get re-elected for sure!"

Silly example, but you get my point.


Well, quite. But as I don't think governments should pass such laws, or indeed even care, to tick a box on the question would be to tacitly approve such a division.


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 Post subject: Re: Census
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But as I don't think governments should pass such laws, or indeed even care, to tick a box on the question would be to tacitly approve such a division.


Well no - but what decides whether governments should pass such laws? You guessed it, the vested interest of the electorate! And guess what tells the government what that is?

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Ultimately, the electorate. ;)

But seriously, is there any part of the government's work that actually needs to plan based on this information? If it's to do with statutory grant awarding powers, then I'd be interested in how much the 'no religion' sector will receive.


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Without wanting to make it my business, why wouldn't you want them to know?


Give me a drink and I'll happily discuss where I think I stand on matters theological, and I'm always interested in what others think and how it affects their lives.

Hurrah!
You're coming to the quiz next week, right? I shall arm us with beer.

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Ultimately, the electorate. ;)

But seriously, is there any part of the government's work that actually needs to plan based on this information?


All of it! Knowing how much of your population is Jewish by religion or Arabic by nationality can have an impact on the attitude you take with regard to foreign policy in Israel and the Middle East. Knowing how many people identify as Christian can have an impact on home policy agendas that religious groups are known to feel strongly about, like gay marriage.

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Also, they can save time in the future by preselecting those who put jokey religion answers for the inevitable future death squad apocalypse.


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I'm waiting for the Cornish nationalists to protest about the lack of recognition of their cultural needs.


I think he's at work.

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Just done mine online. Seems to be a lot about your current job.

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Also, it says that question 17 is not applicable to people who use English as their main language, so I guess it really is for the filthy welshies.

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I know. I can't find the V5, either, so I'll have to request a new one before I do it. Unless I can declare these things online, which I doubt.
Should have just phoned them up & said "I scrapped it ages ago & sent the V5 in then" followed by "sort out your admin & stop hassling me you useless fucks."*
*Some of this bit applies to you too. ;)

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I'm pretty sure I just sent a handwritten letter to the DVLA.

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I am no longer the registered keeper of vehicle [reg], as it has been scrapped. Please update your records accordingly.

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Also, it says that question 17 is not applicable to people who use English as their main language, so I guess it really is for the filthy welshies.

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The isn't enough space in the boxin 18 to write "British sign language" :facepalm:

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I'm waiting for the Cornish nationalists to protest about the lack of recognition of their cultural needs.


There ya go

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May I also suggest that Question 9, in the Individual's section, also provides an opportunity to tick "Elsewhere" and Write in "Cornwall". I would certainly recommend that that is also the case for anyone being forced, because of externally imposed Economic Centralisation, to be born in Aber Plym (Plymouth). The principal reason, in fact, why we must "Keep Cornwall Whole".

Incidentally, It would be constitutionally accurate to state "Duchy of Cornwall", in accordance with the Kilbrandon Report recommendation in 1973.


34,000 of them

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The car tax thing seems to work pretty well.


Other than the fact you have to use a bizarre Government Gateway ID that is autogenerated and sent to your house, so you have to get it reset, which is easy enough, letting you complete the process, then they send you another Government Gateway ID. I think I have seven now. Oh, and heaven help you if you ever hit the back button.

Huh? I just tap in my number plate, and a number from the car tax reminder. I haven't come across this Government Gateway ID that you speak of.


Compared with a 30 person queue at a post office the online tax is one of the few decent things the goverment does online

Not used the Government Gateway for this but have when I got a new license after moving house, then I lost it and had to get another one. It was a bit long winded but I kept the paperwork.

I think I have to buy another one this year as my photo is up so will see how that goes.


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I have a friend in holy orders. As his employer is God, he was wondering which box to tick on the form.


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Completely destroys itself, of course, in the opening line about putting "jedi" last time. Whose idea was that? It's not relevant and it makes you sound like a bit of a twat.

Re: religion. Whose genius idea was it to include no subdivisions of, say, Islam, but even to lump all christian churches in together?

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It's a terrible state of affairs when there are smug men in horrible shirts bashing bishops on posters.


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It's a terrible state of affairs when there are smug men in horrible shirts bashing bishops on posters.


Dude!

Were you not listening when I said I have that shirt?

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Completely destroys itself, of course, in the opening line about putting "jedi" last time. Whose idea was that? It's not relevant and it makes you sound like a bit of a twat.


I picked the Jedi one as I figured it might appeal to the most people on here cos it had the word Jedi in (and I presume was design to appeal to the hip young male athiest).

Ok.. how about:

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.. if you have grey hair, or:

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.. if you have breasts. (Not necessarily yours)

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