If Ridley Scott had left in the scene with Dallas and Brett metamorphosing into eggs in the Alien theatrical cut, Aliens could have been very, very different.

If Ridley Scott had left in the scene with Dallas and Brett metamorphosing into eggs in the Alien theatrical cut, Aliens could have been very, very different.

Also, for me, I think Ash going psycho is probably THE most fucking scary bit in the entire Alien run.

I think Ash is a trustworthy source.

I think Ash is a trustworthy source. It's just when his killswitch was engaged that he became somewhat problematic.

It's niggling in my head that he lied about something while he was in bits, but I can't think what it was.

It's also curious (to me) that Ash's model of android clearly didn't have Asimov's laws programmed into him, whereas Bishop in Aliens did. I don't know for sure, but the implication is that the same company manufactured both Bishop and Ash (not Weyland-Yutani, but Hyperdyne Systems) and fitted behavioural inhibitors to the later models. .

I'm surprised the Company went along with Bishop being on-board knowing that

Bishop refers to issues with the Ash series "being twitchy" or something, and the implication was that that was why they added in the Asimov's laws since then.

Yeah, that's why I'm surprised that the Company allowed it. You'd think they'd have the influence to tell Hyperdyne "Don't put inhibitors into any of the androids we order.".

But then, I guess Bishop was a Colonial Marine android rather than a Company one. I dunno.

There's the scene in Aliens where Bishop is busy dissecting one of the dead facehuggers, and Spunkmeyer wheels in a trolley full of stuff for him, and Bishop looks around at Spunkmeyer with this really weird, cold, dead stare on his face. I've never quite worked out whether Cameron intended that to be like a "red herring" that Bishop was a bad guy too or not, but it certainly seemed like it to me.

There's the scene in Aliens where Bishop is busy dissecting one of the dead facehuggers, and Spunkmeyer wheels in a trolley full of stuff for him, and Bishop looks around at Spunkmeyer with this really weird, cold, dead stare on his face. I've never quite worked out whether Cameron intended that to be like a "red herring" that Bishop was a bad guy too or not, but it certainly seemed like it to me.

Apparently they were gonna do wierd stuff with his eyes to make the irises vertical or somesuch but decided against it.

Yeah, that's why I'm surprised that the Company allowed it. You'd think they'd have the influence to tell Hyperdyne "Don't put inhibitors into any of the androids we order.".

Hyperdyne Systems was part of the Company.

Lance wanted to have double-pupil contacts IIRC. That would have been a bit much! He was going to be the T-800 before Arnie got the role. That could have been interesting. It wouldn't have been such a big success though.

Lance Henrikson's face is normally like that, I think. I can imagine him at Parent-Teachers meetings, dead staring eyes and a mild smile on his face creeping the fuck out of everyone, when really all he's thinking about is watching the game later.

Which is why Cameron harked back to his original idea by having the baddy in T2 be such a normal looking bloke.

Am I the only person who refers to Alien³ as Alien Cubed? I've always done so, and someone recently commented that he's never heard anyone refer to it as that.

I do that, because it obviously is. See also "Sesevenen" for twattish film naming fun.

Only in the sense that his secret was out, so he had to nullify it.

He was, right from the start - before he even set foot on the Nostromo - programmed to bring back that Alien lifeform with all other considerations secondary, crew expendable. I don't think anything he says can be trusted (from the point of view of the other crew) because of that.

It's also curious (to me) that Ash's model of android clearly didn't have Asimov's laws programmed into him, whereas Bishop in Aliens did. I don't know for sure, but the implication is that the same company manufactured both Bishop and Ash (not Weyland-Yutani, but Hyperdyne Systems) and fitted behavioural inhibitors to the later models. I'm surprised the Company went along with Bishop being on-board knowing that.

Bishop refers to issues with the Ash series "being twitchy" or something, and the implication was that that was why they added in the Asimov's laws since then.




Quite. Then again, they had a load of marines there who were supposed to do as they were told.

I always was creeped out by Bishop, especially when I watched this in my early teens.

The queen could have laid the eggs on Suloco. There's a sound effect at the end of Aliens that suggests something was loose on the ship.
Oh, except the eggs were in the cryo section, weren't they?

I do that, because it obviously is. See also "Sesevenen" for twattish film naming fun.

Oh yes, all of this. I thought it was only me!

Also, what the hell possessed her to put the woman out of her suffering with a fucking flamethrower? RAarrfgh caffeine needed.

As far as I know there is no "official" explanation for how the eggs got onto the Sulaco, it was just bad writing.

Without the big egg-maturing egg sac she's laying nothing, surely?

Egg basket?

We shall fetch Cameron and give him a Chinese burn until he tells us.

Surely you mean Vincent Ward? Cameron didn't write Alien 3

Huzzah!

Did any of youse bother with the Dark Horse comics?

We shall fetch Cameron and give him a Chinese burn until he tells us.

I've got the Stronghold one, somewhere around here. All I remember about it is that it features a talking alien called Charlie or something, who is forced to smoke cigars by a fat scientist to whom the sight is a great source of amusement.