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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 22:55 
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The queen could have laid the eggs on Suloco. There's a sound effect at the end of Aliens that suggests something was loose on the ship.
Oh, except the eggs were in the cryo section, weren't they?


Sulaco's the marine ship, right? I can't say I've ever noticed the sound effect, will have to pay attention next time I watch it, but I dunno, I'd imagine it's more likely that the facehugger was shoehorned into Alien 3 in one of the million hasty rewrites. The queen's egg sac was knackered to buggery, surely (which always annoyed me about Aliens, actually - don't waste all your grenades on the egg sac! The whole place will be vapour in five minutes anyway! You crazy fool)?

Although at least they're consistent with her character in Alien 4, when she wastes fuckloads of scarce ammunition on blowing up corpses. On a ship that's crashing. Also, what the hell possessed her to put the woman out of her suffering with a fucking flamethrower? RAarrfgh caffeine needed.

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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It's right at the end of the credits. Jim Cameron said it was meant to be a face hugger at a T2 q&a session. There must have been two though, one for Spike and a (nngh) ' queen' one for Ripley.


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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Am I the only person who refers to Alien³ as Alien Cubed? I've always done so, and someone recently commented that he's never heard anyone refer to it as that.


I do that, because it obviously is. See also "Sesevenen" for twattish film naming fun.


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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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As far as I know there is no "official" explanation for how the eggs got onto the Sulaco, it was just bad writing.


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 Post subject: Alien and Aliens
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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Am I the only person who refers to Alien³ as Alien Cubed? I've always done so, and someone recently commented that he's never heard anyone refer to it as that.


I do that, because it obviously is. See also "Sesevenen" for twattish film naming fun.


Oh yes, all of this. I thought it was only me!

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Also, what the hell possessed her to put the woman out of her suffering with a fucking flamethrower? RAarrfgh caffeine needed.


Yeah that was always a bit of an odd choice.

This sound effect at the end of Aliens. I've watched that movie so many times - too many times probably - and never got onto that.

Also, this thread is amazing. Well done, chaps.


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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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How could the queen have laid eggs on Sulaco? Where was she keeping them? Her spindly body would barely contain one egg if you scooped out all the yellow glop that she would otherwise have in there pretending to be organs.



Without the big egg-maturing egg sac she's laying nothing, surely?


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As far as I know there is no "official" explanation for how the eggs got onto the Sulaco, it was just bad writing.

We shall fetch Cameron and give him a Chinese burn until he tells us.

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Without the big egg-maturing egg sac she's laying nothing, surely?

Keep Craster out of this.

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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We see one egg in Alien3 and one facehugger but that doesn't mean there was only one egg - after all that'd kill the twist of the film (although one of the taglines for Cubed was 'This time it's in the most terrifying place of all').

So assuming two eggs. The queen would have had to bring them with her from her chamber - after all we don't know that Ripley destroyed them all.

Getting them to the cryo chamber would be kind of impossible given that queenie doesn't leave the dock area. So here's an odd question...

Could the sound effect facehugger have carried an egg to the cryo chamber? It's certainly strong enough but it'd be awkward! And you'd notice an egg scurrying off I guess.

Either way I'm still amazed that I didn't know about that sound effect. Fucking hell.

I got my Alien geek points in at the expense of any kind of cool last week. Fridays are dress down here at work. I was wearing a t-shirt with the sentry gun on in. Got asked about it and had to say 'you know the movie Alien? Well did you ever see the sequel Aliens? This is from that. But it's only from the special edition that came out after with 18 extra minutes.'

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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One factoid I like about the Alien series... Weyland-Yutani was originally supposed to be Leyland-Toyota. As a joint British-Japanese alliance. Kinda dates the whole thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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We shall fetch Cameron and give him a Chinese burn until he tells us.

Surely you mean Vincent Ward? Cameron didn't write Alien 3 ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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We shall fetch Cameron and give him a Chinese burn until he tells us.

Surely you mean Vincent Ward? Cameron didn't write Alien 3 ;)

He put a facehugger on Suloco first, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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When? (or do you mean that sound effect?)


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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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kalmar wrote:
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Am I the only person who refers to Alien³ as Alien Cubed? I've always done so, and someone recently commented that he's never heard anyone refer to it as that.


I do that, because it obviously is. See also "Sesevenen" for twattish film naming fun.


Oh yes, all of this. I thought it was only me!

Huzzah! :DD


HC was Picture Editor on Empire when Alien Cubed was released and the entire editorial department referred to it as such, as did most of the movie reviewers at the time. Don't know whether it ever made it into the mag' as such, but I've always referred to it as Alien Cubed.

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Aye.
Here he is chatting about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQn8E3iWlLo&t=6m13s

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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"Alien" cubed would just be "Alien", surely?

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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I've not watched Aliens in hi-def. How does it look? Cameron filmed it to look gritty, like a documentary. Does hi-def enhance it?


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Embarrassingly I've not even seen the Alienses on DVD yet. I do plan to correct this.


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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Did any of youse bother with the Dark Horse comics?


I've got the Stronghold one, somewhere around here. All I remember about it is that it features a talking alien called Charlie or something, who is forced to smoke cigars by a fat scientist to whom the sight is a great source of amusement.

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Grim... wrote:
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As far as I know there is no "official" explanation for how the eggs got onto the Sulaco, it was just bad writing.

We shall fetch Cameron and give him a Chinese burn until he tells us.


He's too busy increasing VAT.

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I've got the Stronghold one, somewhere around here. All I remember about it is that it features a talking alien called Charlie or something, who is forced to smoke cigars by a fat scientist to whom the sight is a great source of amusement.

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Yay, my Sulaco T-shirt, Nostromo hoodie and WY baseball cap have just arrived! Thanks, Last Exit to Nowhere!


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That's the outfit sorted for your next date then.

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Oh, for a woman who is as much of a fan as myself.


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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Oh, for a woman who is as much of a fan as myself.


Zio Trufax: Zioette was conceived shortly after watching Aliens with the ex.

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Trufax: The Grimlet was conceived on the sofa. If he was a girl, we were going to call him/her Sophie.

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Trufax: The Grimlet was conceived on the sofa. If he was a girl, we were going to call him/her Sophie.


Fuck. I've slept on that sofa.

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 Post subject: Re: Alien and Aliens
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Trufax: The Grimlet was conceived on the sofa. If he was a girl, we were going to call him/her Sophie.

Fuck. I've slept on that sofa.

No you haven't.

Although I doubt any sofa in our house is entirely innocent.

Or work surface, for that matter.

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Did you push your hand on to her face and wrap your fingers around her head at any point during coitus?

If so, you are my new hero.


Alas, I cannot be your hero today.


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Grim... wrote:
Trufax: The Grimlet was conceived on the sofa. If he was a girl, we were going to call him/her Sophie.


Was it the inflatable sofa? Points if it was.

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Ah. I think I've probably sat on all your sofas of the last 5 years, disappointingly.

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Sofa conception? Done that.

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That's only cool if you actually bellowed "INGERLUND!" as you climaxed.

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That's only cool if you actually bellowed "INGERLUND!" as you climaxed.

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ALIENS thread people!

Well, my missus has a life form growing inside her waiting to burst out...

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How could the queen have laid eggs on Sulaco? Where was she keeping them? Her spindly body would barely contain one egg if you scooped out all the yellow glop that she would otherwise have in there pretending to be organs.



Without the big egg-maturing egg sac she's laying nothing, surely?



THEORY: While "piloting" the drop ship, Bishop was in fact raiding the nest (or even the crashed ship), having pressed the "land" button and let the 200-or-whatever-years-in-the-future autopilot do the rest. Dun dun dun.

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THEORY DISPROVED: You see Bishop piloting the ship :P


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THEORY DISPROVED: You see Bishop piloting the ship :P


For about 5 seconds! He could be super-fast for all we know - his hands are certainly quick enough; why wouldn't his legs be?

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It's a good point. I'd pay money to see a scene of Bishop speed-running from the colony to the derelict and back, just so that I could overlay Yakety Sax on top of it.


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