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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:49 
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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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You fucked her, didn't you?

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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The current lot in power hold her up as some kind of ideal, so her actions are definitely still having an effect.


Her death wouldn't make any kind of difference to that though.

You are, once more, rather missing the point.


I'm not missing the point of what I just replied to.


Sincere apologies, but I rather think you were. It's an additional reason as to why some people may feel pleasure at her passing, rather than going "Meh, it was all a long time ago, wo’eva" – for the very reason Plissken posts and you responded to, the effects of her policies are still being felt and so it's not surprising that people will still harbour negative feeling towards her, rather than letting it go and moving on.

I don't think Plissken was suggesting that her dying would prevent people following Thatcherism.

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I get that there's catharsis involved. I just don't think it's particularly edifying.


That’s like, your opinion, man.

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Craster wrote:
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The current lot in power hold her up as some kind of ideal, so her actions are definitely still having an effect.


Her death wouldn't make any kind of difference to that though.

You are, once more, rather missing the point.


I'm not missing the point of what I just replied to.

I get that there's catharsis involved. I just don't think it's particularly edifying.

You're calling for edification in a thread entitled Celebrity Deathlist :DD


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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Oh, by the way, if I came across as patronising in those last couple of posts, it's because I meant to.


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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Sincere apologies, but I rather think you were. It's an additional reason as to why some people may feel pleasure at her passing, rather than going "Meh, it was all a long time ago, wo’eva" – for the very reason Plissken posts and you responded to, the effects of her policies are still being felt and so it's not surprising that people will still harbour negative feeling towards her, rather than letting it go and moving on.


The point I was replying to was that her effects are still being felt because the current government are still harking back to Thatcherism as being an ideal worth pursuing. And I was stating that won't change if she dies. Indeed, as Grim... pointed out, her dying is likely to make it worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Sincere apologies, but I rather think you were. It's an additional reason as to why some people may feel pleasure at her passing, rather than going "Meh, it was all a long time ago, wo’eva" – for the very reason Plissken posts and you responded to, the effects of her policies are still being felt and so it's not surprising that people will still harbour negative feeling towards her, rather than letting it go and moving on.


The point I was replying to was that her effects are still being felt because the current government are still harking back to Thatcherism as being an ideal worth pursuing. And I was stating that won't change if she dies. Indeed, as Grim... pointed out, her dying is likely to make it worse.

Indeed. She'll become some kind of martyr figure. *shudder*

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Craster wrote:
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Sincere apologies, but I rather think you were. It's an additional reason as to why some people may feel pleasure at her passing, rather than going "Meh, it was all a long time ago, wo’eva" – for the very reason Plissken posts and you responded to, the effects of her policies are still being felt and so it's not surprising that people will still harbour negative feeling towards her, rather than letting it go and moving on.


The point I was replying to was that her effects are still being felt because the current government are still harking back to Thatcherism as being an ideal worth pursuing. And I was stating that won't change if she dies.
Plissken clearly wasn't suggesting that it would, so your response is apropos nothing.

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Indeed, as Grim... pointed out, her dying is likely to make it worse.


Indeed, as I responded to Grim..., I suspect that is somewhat unlikely.

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Plissken clearly wasn't suggesting that it would, so your response is apropos nothing.


Makes your 8-odd replies to it since a little redundant then, doesn't it? ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Plissken clearly wasn't suggesting that it would, so your response is apropos nothing.


Makes your 8-odd replies to it since a little redundant then, doesn't it? ;)

Not really, no. There's never any redundancy in pointing out that you're a dunderhead, as some things bear repeating. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Oh fuck Forums, I wrote the below in response to a post I can't even find now. Hate that. Anyway...

Exactly. Plus, there's little point in debating the crone, and this isn't the thread for it in any case. She'll be dead soon, loads of people will have a really good night out as a result, a handful of people will complain about it, probably on Twitter, and then everything will go normal.

Possibly. Possibly some people will stop thinking of the horrendous conditions they've spent their lives living in as being the fault of a living person and focus more upon what they will do to get themselves out of their situation. That's her great irony really, looking at the entirety of the 'no society' interview - she's worsened the problem by a huge degree, over what is coming up on four generations now. She did the usual Tory thing of bulldozing their way to an ideal without accepting the plain and horrible truth that some elements simply will not cope or move towards independence without state intervention and if you try to encourage them by simply removing support, they just become substantially greater and more costly problems to be addressed, which is usually by an incoming Labour government throwing pretend money at everything that looks appropriate. Then the Tories come along again and hack the bloated but functioning systems to shreds and we rinse, repeat.

She was supposed to be cleverer than that. She certainly believed she was. Facile politics, brashly practiced.


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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Oh fuck Forums, I wrote the below in response to a post I can't even find now. Hate that. Anyway...

Exactly. Plus, there's little point in debating the crone, and this isn't the thread for it in any case. She'll be dead soon, loads of people will have a really good night out as a result, a handful of people will complain about it, probably on Twitter, and then everything will go normal.

Possibly. Possibly some people will stop thinking of the horrendous conditions they've spent their lives living in as being the fault of a living person and focus more upon what they will do to get themselves out of their situation. That's her great irony really, looking at the entirety of the 'no society' interview - she's worsened the problem by a huge degree, over what is coming up on four generations now. She did the usual Tory thing of bulldozing their way to an ideal without accepting the plain and horrible truth that some elements simply will not cope or move towards independence without state intervention and if you try to encourage them by simply removing support, they just become substantially greater and more costly problems to be addressed, which is usually by an incoming Labour government throwing pretend money at everything that looks appropriate. Then the Tories come along again and hack the bloated but functioning systems to shreds and we rinse, repeat.

She was supposed to be cleverer than that. She certainly believed she was. Facile politics, brashly practiced.


Agree with all of that.

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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You should get her moulded for your Fleshlight while you can, Craster.


Thought about it. Went for Mark Thatcher's gob instead.

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Indeed. She'll become some kind of martyr figure. *shudder*

Well, she did invent ice cream vans.

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 Post subject: Re: Celebrity Deathlist 2011
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Thought about it. Went for Mark Thatcher's gob instead.


It occurred to me that when someone has a go at the recently dead, someone pipes up with "Look, someone just lost a parent". And then you realise in this particular instance the people who have just lost a parent are someone with no sense of direction who tried to illegally overthrow an African government and his sister, who appeared on TV and ate kangaroo testicles.

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In 2007, Carol Thatcher travelled to the Falkland Islands and Argentina for the documentary Mummy's War, in order to explore the legacy of the Falklands War. Whilst receiving a highly positive reception from the pro-British islanders (who regard her mother as a heroine), her reception in Argentina provoked protests and demonstrations (including the cry "your mother is a war criminal!"). During her stay in Argentina she met a group of mothers who lost their sons during the conflict and stated, "We were fighting a war; we won, you lost" and reminding them that it was their country that invaded the islands, thus initiating the conflict.


Clearly inherited the family talent for diplomacy, there.

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In 2007, Carol Thatcher travelled to the Falkland Islands and Argentina for the documentary Mummy's War, in order to explore the legacy of the Falklands War. Whilst receiving a highly positive reception from the pro-British islanders (who regard her mother as a heroine), her reception in Argentina provoked protests and demonstrations (including the cry "your mother is a war criminal!"). During her stay in Argentina she met a group of mothers who lost their sons during the conflict and stated, "We were fighting a war; we won, you lost" and reminding them that it was their country that invaded the islands, thus initiating the conflict.


Clearly inherited the family talent for diplomacy, there.

Much as I dislike Carol Thatcher, technically she was right, of course.

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I don't deny she was technically right, but staggeringly tactless.

But hey, its Carol Thatcher.

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Reagan has been sort-of beatified by a section of the USA right, as far as I can see, being elevated to some sort of low-tax, small-state hero that they can point to, and for whom being dead is a useful way to deflect some criticism. Whether he'd have agreed with Palin or Huckabee is not really the point, the can claim he would have and he can't stand up and call them all a bunch of blithering half-wits.

You can blame a lot of stuff on Thatcher, but calling her a war criminal over the Falklands is taking it a fair chunk too far.


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For clarity, I'm not calling Thatcher a war criminal.

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The problem I have with all the Thatcher hating, is that it always seems to be conveniently forgotten what an absolute state the country was in before she did something.
Did she go too far? Almost certainly. What would the country be like now if she hadn't stepped in a done something? No idea, but I suspect it wouldn't be all fluffy bunnies and rose petals...


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For clarity, I'm not calling Thatcher a war criminal.

I'm sure the Argentinians weren't either.

I don't know how the conversation went, of course, but I can well imagine that Carol's statement was in response to something to that effect.

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We do seem to have a number of Dead Threads on the go.


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If only there was some way to tell one from another? Perhaps if they were all labelled with the year they relate to? That might help.


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We do seem to have a number of Dead Threads on the go.

Time for a Celebrity Deathlist Thread Deathlist Thread.


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I know something else that might help.

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We do seem to have a number of Dead Threads on the go.


We don't, people are just searching for them and then bumping without actually reading them. This one specifically us just myp being a twat.

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We do seem to have a number of Dead Threads on the go.


We don't, people are just searching for them and then bumping without actually reading them. This one specifically us just myp being a twat.

It's locked, you twat.

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Well I didn't know that, did I?

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