That's the first time you've differentiated between the person you see on TV and the person he is, though. You started out calling him an odious man-child in a non-TV context. And then compared him to the arsehole at work.

[edit]FUCK YOU CRASTER

... because we were actually talking about Mary, and why she is important to the show, being a counter personality to Paul in the show.

Katie Hopkins may well be lovely at home with her kids

I couldn't remember Katie Holmes names, and google image searched Katie Perry and Katie Holmes before searching 'horrible British Katie'

That we weren't. We were talking about her announcement that she wasn't going to C4 and how I thought she was a shrivelled old dipshit (or something to that effect). Mr Russell said he thought she was probably under a lot of pressure. Then you.

If that's what you meant then fair enough - but it would have been out of context.


I bet she isn't.

Even if part of his job is literally pretending to be an arsehole?

Yeah, we were, because that came up. But I think it's just disagreement for its own sake, and I don't think you can really debate someone into liking someone as it isn't really a process of logic. I like Mary Berry and think someone like her is important to the show, you think she is shrivelled, or something. People like Paul Hollywood, I don't, and here's 100 reasons I must be wrong

It is still debatable that he's told to pretend of course. He could do it off his own back, or he could really be that guy. Nobody knows for sure, no matter how much we hypothesise or want to believe one way or another.

So everyone's equally right, and I solved the internet!

I'd be amazed if they didn't pretty much tell him word for word "We want you to be the Simon Cowell one"

He's either not very nice, or has accepted money to turn his personal name and public persona into a hateful one, and has sold his personality to be crafted into that of a nasty, petty and smug person.

I bet she isn't.

He's the new Jeremy Clarkson, basically.

I don't know that many would like someone so condescending and smug in the cosier setting of a cookery demonstration show

Maybe, though I think Clarkson is probably an actual racist. I don't think you'd try to slip racist jokes past censors without being an actual racist and idiot.

If someone appears on telly ostensibly as themselves then it's pretty legitimate to form some judgement about them based on that. Unless they're actually Larry David and that's the whole joke.

Well, yes. And Top Gear's Clarkson is the oafish, relic of his time, wishes the empire still existed character. I am not saying that Clarkson is the reverse of this, but it is written that way

Most people who aren't arseholes wouldn't slag off someone's cake just to make them cry. Unless we're positing that being on a cake programme is something like the situation created for Milgram's famous studies into obedience.

Most people who aren't arseholes wouldn't slag off someone's cake just to make them cry.

And, if Mary's departure isn't bad enough news for GBBO fans, want to know the names currently circulating as being in the frame to replace Mel and Sue?
Gok Wan and Alan Carr.

But they've won awards for unscripted telly, so which is it?

Didn't Clarkson say he was busy writing the script for that week's show, or something?

#BurtTank

Yes.

No, it wasn't.

I gave up after that first one they did on Dave.