Be Excellent To Each Other

in your opinion this is okay, but in others it may not be. i work from home so any image is 'work safe' for me, but i would expect trouble if i broke this rule, and i have no need to, just like you.

I'm catering for a minority here, though. And, ironically, a minority who is usually someonewhat too subtle himself.

OR: maybe there was a hidden subtext to the previous post? oooooooh.

I agree with Chris.

*blink* Oh, if perhaps someone worked in a legal capacity and were troubled by visiting a site (this one) that has links within it to 'grey' sites? Um. Then I can only suggest that if a person is that troubled by a word or two, then they ignore it. It's very different from posting a big picture of some tits, or something. Otherwise, I can't see what you mean. It isn't illegal to link to http://www.torrentz.com - this isn't simply my opinion. Unless you're referring to someone visiting from a country with particularly draconian copyright laws or something - in which case to be honest, the other stuff that gets talked about on here is going to pose bigger problems to them, I would imagine, in its volume.

one possible problem is that google will now link this site with torrentz.com.
but you miss my point - i do not understand why you keep doing it. you have no need to, and you have been asked not to. nobody said it was illegal, but then neither are pictures of naked people. if it is funny and i am missing the joke than i am sorry.

It's an important distinction.

This isn't the pirate bay, which hosts torrents.

It's the same as linking to a google search for torrent.

would this not also be against the rules?

Technically, yes.

I'm not sure that that was the intention, though.

In reverse, because someone said it was illegal. My repeated linking to it is an Inverse Chicken Little effect. The sky is still here, everyone's fine.


Excellent, we could do with driving more visitors our way. And if it should be that they come here as a result of my linking to a legal site, then how could this be any kind of problem?


I wish you hadn't removed that quote, I was going to steal your Joke Alert graphic.

Also, what Dudley said. OMG TEH TORRENTZ!!!

I might remind people, incidentally, that this all came out of wondering what to do if wanting to share Goodies with folks, and wanting to have an open debate to canvas opinions. The point that I stop linking to legal sites is the point that people stop trying to say they're 1-DayDL .com or something. Then we can move on.

What Dudley said there? No it wouldn't be. *offers Dudley a pint and a fag and a chair and a book*

Yes, yes it actually would. But this is due to hopelessly wide drafting, of course.



Technically, Google itself would be against this rules, as it links to copyrighted items rather a lot.

Actually, thinking about it, the whole internet contains copyrighted items (the words on every webpage), and we don't have specific consent from the owners to link to any of them. OH NOES.

There is a problem with the drafting in that it seems to say "do not post download links... to sites that link to copyrighted items", which makes no sense. It should be "please do not post download links to copyrighted items or post links to sites that link to/contain copyrighted items [/b]unless permission has been given by the copyright owner".

EDITED-IN HOWEVER - I would suggest that the Rule is replaced with this:

"Do not post any links, whether download links or portal sites, which if clicked on by a BETEOer would constitute a criminal offence or an actionable civil wrong in the UK".

So we're all agreed then...

I should download and use Utorrent!

Thanks guys!!

i don't think they did tbh

I'm known for being hopelessly draughty.


My earlier point stands. Someone give me a better rule, which states exactly what we all appear to agree on, and I'll go change it.

"don't be a dick because you don't agree with something?"

See my edit above.

If we did that, CUS would be banned instantly. *




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Good of you, MrC.

Unless there's objections, here or in the mod forum, I'll change the rule this afternoon.

For clarity:

I do not not agree.

i think i could post a direct link to a torrent page and not break that rule as long as i didn't link the torrent itself...

Yes, indeed you could. AFAIAA, Torrent sites themselves aren't illegal in this country yet, and you can't be sued by the MPAA or whoever for going to one, if you don't download anything.

but this is what you are trying to avoid?
it seems odd that this website has this rule at all.
(i must apoligize, i have been here for only a day and i am causing trouble )

Or if you use them to download legal stuff, you're fine also.

i have never seen any legal stuff it is not often in the results of 'tits'
-e- I love these little blue men

Here's the problem:

If the rule isn't there at all, then this forum becomes a site that 'hosts links to torrents' - not technically illegal right now, but I don't give it that long.

If we try and be specific about what is/isn't permitted, there will always be ways around it, or people saying "but if you say that, it rules out xyz too!".

If we are vague about what is/isn't permitted, then you'll end up with people saying "well I didn't really know what that meant, so I posted it anyway".

So, what we're after is something clear, that encompasses all the options. How about:

or ask a moderator!

I suggested before -

"don't post direct links for the purpose of piracy"

We're not lawyers though.

I suppose not. Common sense should prevail, though.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/technology/7389485.stm

for TorrentSpy, read "The Be Excellent to Each other Forum"

Be careful people!!

But what is the common sense etc.

I like what Craster said: "Don't post links to things that are themselves illegal or that would be illegal to download. If you're unsure about exactly whether a link might be illegal, err on the side of not posting it."

It places the responsibility on the poster, and it specifically states that it's legality that is the issue, not the act (e.g. piracy) that might circumvent that. To tie in with that, but not immediately following, I would add some final boilerplate that just says "This forum is non-profit, ran for fun by volunteers. If you have any grievance, be it personal, legal or otherwise, please discreetly contact a moderator, who will be happy to discuss the matter with you. We don't want no trouble, now."

TheVision - man, that's so totally different, I hope you're kidding. By the way, uTorrent.

Libel!

There's no such client as 'uTorrent'.

I thought it was quite relevant and strange how it popped up on the BBC when we're discussing the matter.

To be fair, I'm just amazed and what I started.. I apologise to everyone involved for any extra work/annoyance but thanks for the recommendation!

Utorrent is ace.

CoefficientOfFrictionTorrent

Oh is there not? I tried searching http://www.torrentz.com for µTorrent, but it didn't bring up any real results.

I concur.

MicroTorrent.

Mine was better.

Were you driving around in your new Ford AcidDisassociationConstant when you came up with that?

I didn't say it wasn't; I was simply offering an alternative.

I prefer the Vauxhall Ohm.

Look, Coulomb now people, you are really starting to Bohr me. Can't we save the pun threads until Faraday afternoon?

Whatever, dick.

snore

Don't look at me... it's not my Volt!

Just get out.

Good point, Curie*-osity

* Watt's your problem?

Punnage FTFY

Heh.