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It's one thing to subscribe to such a theory for whole populations in the undeveloped world, quite another when you're talking to an individual in a country that already has a sophisticated healthcare system.

With an increasingly large ageing population we're going to be in trouble in the developed world too. Perhaps Logan's Run won't be fiction for ever.

Soylent Green first, dude.

They're no putting an AIDS age crystal in my hand.

Women & children first though, innit? Them's the rules when things go tits up.

Weegies don't live that long anyway.

I didn't see this paper, could you provide me with the reference? I'd always just made the rational assumption that as the church is so vehement in preaching the idea that condoms contribute to the spread of HIV/AIDS, they must be culpable to some extent. They've certainly got a larger platform (paid for in blood over centuries) than the pro-johnnie lobby over there. Would you agree that in an ostensibly catholic third world nation the Pope's wicked, evil, sick message carries a lot of weight when used by a man with dirty blood as justification to his infectee not to use a condom?

This is the problem with irrational beliefs, you get in the habit of having them and they become easier to accept.

Easy tiger.

This part of the conversation started with an article examining catholicism and AIDS rates in African nations though, with some of the worst hit being the least Catholic. That was the point.

Indeed. Please provide evidence of any ostensibly Catholic African nations, for that matter.

So they don't like slipping on a Catholic either?

Never heard of that position.

It's a bit like the Len Ganley Stance.

I sort of enjoyed watching that thing on telly yesterday where the pope was being shown up as a papal bellend but I wish it was hosted by someone a bit weightier than Peter Tatchell. I can't take him seriously since Mugabe made him his bitch, Adebisi-style.

Anecdotal from the region from someone who really should know.


Catholic Church. My church - and indeed most of the linked churches in Bristol - seemed to rather think that Condoms are a good idea for the area in the absense of abstinence.


Again, I think it's more to do with the fact that the men refuse to use a condom and are not averse to violence to get their way. The somewhat authoritarian nature of the catholic church does make me feel uneasy, and on this particular issue they disappoint me, but I'm not going to tar the vast majority of its followers just because I disagree with the select few at the top.


In my experience people tend to have reasons for what they believe in - and given my position, I'd imagine I've spoken to considerably more people on the subject*, and know precisely my own reasons. It's not irrational. It may seem like it to you, but I'd imagine your life has been somewhat different.

* - Including, bizarrely, The ex archbishop of York

Couldn't resist LOLing at this:

I said third world, not just Africa. But yes, ostensibly is the wrong word, perhaps more would have been better.

I'm surprised nobody has linked to Tom Lehrer's finest two minutes:

Emerging story LOL.

I kinda agree with him, here.

I'd like to be able to but I'm not quite seeing it to that extent yet.

Are you suggesting the Catholic church didn't cover up systematic and wide-ranging child abuse, or that it doesn't matter if they did? Disliking that is not aggressive atheism, it's not catholic bashing, it's simply being human.

Wow. And here's me thinking it was just a perfect storm of some kiddie-fiddler priests combined with inaction by their bosses and the usual media appetite for scandal. But no the whole thing has been stage-managed by "New Atheists".

What an utter fucking bullshit article.

Doc - Mali is, I suspect, engaging in a bit of atheist bear-baiting for shits n so forth.

Can everyone keep their fingers crossed I don't get stuck at work today? I finish at 12.45 but apparently one of the motorways is being used as a car park for buses because some old guy with a silly hat is coming to visit. I hope there isn't bad traffic

They've got some woman who is so ugly it makes everything else she does better to sing at him, too.

Oh you're kidding, right?

Gill: http://trafficscotland.org/lev/ Good luck!

I'd laugh if she fluffs it and then has a massive x-factor style rant at him.

She's a New Atheist in disguise and will sing a song of anti-creationism and pro-gayness.

Landing in Glasgow, it's like a 3rd world country, oh no wait.

Cardinal Cormac "What A Massive Cunt" Murphy O'Connor was on Today this morning, and was completely evading the whole thing about the pope's assistance in systemic evasion of police prosecution of kidy fiddlers, and just went on about how "yes it was terrible, but it's been a very steep learning curve for the church, very difficult, but now we have the best protection systems in place in the world". W.T.F? Basically, we're being anti-pope because we're bigots.

There was also a muslim academic defending them, and criticising how faith is "shut out" of public discourse (is it? is it really? Do people come round your house and stop you sending emails?), and, apropos the recent issues around the equality law, saying that faith groups can do the most good for society when they're allowed their freedoms. Really? Faith can help society most when it's allowed to discriminate against sections of it that its book doesn't like?

And they wonder why atheism is getting a bit aggressive. Still, not as aggressive as burning heretics, eh, Catholicism?

In the stance and context of this 'Aggressive Atheism', it is being depicted to me as trying to uphold laws, prevent child abuse and be kinder to people.

How dare people be so tolerant and loving! This is the kind of thing religion will not tolerate!

I like the Pope. The Pope smokes dope.

Bastard Pope. No Bargain Hunt

Christ, you're not even being ironic are you John?

Get a job!

L-LOL

Get to fuck is it a decent article.



Oh. That's OK then. There definitely nothing wrong with fondling kids, making them talk sexy, or getting them to wank you off, after all.

I went down to set the PVR to tape it (as I usually do) and the fucking pope was walking down the steps from the plane.

Onto the airport that he said was a shithole.

Some woman from Catholic Voices was trying to play down Walter Kasper's 'third world' comments on BBC Breakfast, saying he was retired and not giving an official opinion. When challenged, because he had been part of the Pope's official entourage, she looked decidedly uncomfortable and couldn't defend her position. Retired or not, having some loony make that kind of comment at the beginning of the visit is just one more PR disaster for them.

It was his advisor who hasn't come saying that Heathrow was a shithole.

Hours of this shit. Hours and hours of watching some dude walk around and wave at people.

God you could do a wicked South Park ep of this..

"Quick, quick ! he's going into the toilet... Oh god we have to get these farts on camera !.. I wonder what hand he wipes with? and what hand soap he uses?"

Did it kiss the tarmac when it got off the plane? If so, it's just kissed a shithole and is a big gayer now.

So, if anybody can be bothered to watch this coverage, can you answer this for me?

Does he wear a silly hat?

Get a 360.

Not currently, Her Majesty the Queen is looking a bit chilly though.

They should save his stools and sell them as 'Holy Shit.'

D-double

Hmm. Maybe an immigrant peed on it.. Still, we can but hope