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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:21 
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That coding makes no sense to me.. I'm presuming someone has done something wrong/malicious with it.

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It does work (as long as you close the IF brackets). It's just a load of shorthand IF statements after some long ones, and it's impossible to fucking read >:(

It sets $client_template to a certain file if that file exists, and works its way backward through the directories until it finds a match. It's simply screaming "recursive function".

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It's simply screaming "recursive function".

Is that bad? Or is this one of those things that sounds like something bad but really isn't, like "Toyota Previa", which is not, as it turns out, a disease of the ladybits.

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"recursive function" would be the cure, not the disease.


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It's simply screaming "recursive function".
Is that bad?
Well, it's so unreadable I had 3 or 4 goes and thought it was broken.


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A recursive function is "good" in that it looks neater, and is very smartypants.

It does however stand a good chance of blowing up the computer if something goes wrong, and is guaranteed to mess with the head of anyone who later wants to modify something, and they will then probably re-write it as a block of if statements again.


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It does work (as long as you close the IF brackets). It's just a load of shorthand IF statements after some long ones, and it's impossible to fucking read >:(

It sets $client_template to a certain file if that file exists, and works its way backward through the directories until it finds a match. It's simply screaming "recursive function".


Was that me? It looks like I wrote it.

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You would not only write code with this logical flow, you'd also write it in BASIC. You filthy bastard. And not the good kind of filthy. More like the scabrous kind.


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You would not only write code with this logical flow, you'd also write it in BASIC. You filthy bastard.


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Grim... wrote:
It does work (as long as you close the IF brackets). It's just a load of shorthand IF statements after some long ones, and it's impossible to fucking read >:(

It sets $client_template to a certain file if that file exists, and works its way backward through the directories until it finds a match. It's simply screaming "recursive function".


And people wonder why we don't get more 'chicks' on this forum... :facepalm:


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It does work (as long as you close the IF brackets). It's just a load of shorthand IF statements after some long ones, and it's impossible to fucking read >:(

It sets $client_template to a certain file if that file exists, and works its way backward through the directories until it finds a match. It's simply screaming "recursive function".


And people wonder why we don't get more 'chicks' on this forum... :facepalm:

They've all been struck down with a bad case of Toyota Previa.

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A recursive function is "good" in that it looks neater, and is very smartypants.

They're not smartypants, they're programming 101.

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A recursive function is "good" in that it looks neater, and is very smartypants.

They're not smartypants, they're programming 101.

I tend to avoid them, for the problems they can cause if bugged (And sometimes function call cost). There are ways around that do not involve shit code like that you posted.


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Could anyone offer any suggestions for me, as it's an area I think I've got a handle on, but not completely sure?

Tax planning:

Alexia Hammerfist is 55 years old. She has a good job as senior management in BigPharma, and will receive a generous pension scheme on retirement. She has 2 sons, Damon and Graham. Damon is married to Justine and they have one child. Graham is single, and disabled after a car accident two years ago.

Alexia has the following assets:

House (primary residence) £450,000
Cash in various bank accounts £130,000
Chattels (including private car) £17,500
Yacht £25,000
Unquoted shares (fro the company she works for, were worth £30,000 when she got them in 2005) £60,000

There is no nil rate band available.

I think that making lifetime gifts would be a good idea, here. Using the annual exemptions to give the cash away yearly to D and G, would reduce that amount down. I'd ask if she needs/uses the yacht a lot, and try and get rid of that. The shares present a dilemma, due to the Business Property Relief available on them, but as they are of substantial value, gifting them is a good idea, provided the recipient can hold on to them for 2 years. She can't really give the house to anyone, as the benefit is reserved, so getting a hit on that would be a pain although her getting married again would be a good idea and solve the house problem. Other considerations I'm not to sure on, as she'll be OK when she retires, but giving away large amounts of money to her kids early on could lead to problems, and sticking it in a discretionary trust for them leads to more charges upfront. Graham getting married would also free up some cash to be given away to him, as part of the marriage allowance.

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If I said "we should write some short sci-fi stories and publish them on lulu.com" would anyone care, or would I end up with one story?

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I'd think about giving it a go, but I'm not sure I'd ever get anything written down.

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By the time she dies, the kids won't need the money. Ignore their selfish bleating, and spend the lot. Remortgage the house, and have a fucking good retirement. Best tax avoidance strategy in the world.

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If I said "we should write some short sci-fi stories and publish them on lulu.com" would anyone care, or would I end up with one story?


I could be tempted. A kind of Mini Nanowrimo.


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If I said "we should write some short sci-fi stories and publish them on lulu.com" would anyone care, or would I end up with one story?


Well... I have been thinking about writing some stuff for a while, so would certainly be up for this. Disclaimer: I am the world's greatest procrastinator. However, I had actually planned to do some writing with my upcoming week off.


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If I said "we should write some short sci-fi stories and publish them on lulu.com" would anyone care, or would I end up with one story?


At the end of each story, would there have to be something like "... and all they found was a piece of paper with http://www.beteo.co.uk scribbled on it"?

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Could anyone offer any suggestions for me, as it's an area I think I've got a handle on, but not completely sure?

Tax planning:

Alexia Hammerfist is 55 years old. She has a good job as senior management in BigPharma, and will receive a generous pension scheme on retirement. She has 2 sons, Damon and Graham. Damon is married to Justine and they have one child. Graham is single, and disabled after a car accident two years ago.

Alexia has the following assets:

House (primary residence) £450,000
Cash in various bank accounts £130,000
Chattels (including private car) £17,500
Yacht £25,000
Unquoted shares (fro the company she works for, were worth £30,000 when she got them in 2005) £60,000

There is no nil rate band available.

I think that making lifetime gifts would be a good idea, here. Using the annual exemptions to give the cash away yearly to D and G, would reduce that amount down. I'd ask if she needs/uses the yacht a lot, and try and get rid of that. The shares present a dilemma, due to the Business Property Relief available on them, but as they are of substantial value, gifting them is a good idea, provided the recipient can hold on to them for 2 years. She can't really give the house to anyone, as the benefit is reserved, so getting a hit on that would be a pain although her getting married again would be a good idea and solve the house problem. Other considerations I'm not to sure on, as she'll be OK when she retires, but giving away large amounts of money to her kids early on could lead to problems, and sticking it in a discretionary trust for them leads to more charges upfront. Graham getting married would also free up some cash to be given away to him, as part of the marriage allowance.

Any ideas?

I haven't done IHT for a while, and this is without reference material, so DO NOT USE THIS ADVICE IN REAL LIFE.

She isn't dying any time soon, and isn't rich. She needs to keep some cash but the pension should cover that.

Keep the shares as they will be IHT free now or later, so gifting them now does nothing. Also, if she sells the shares, she has a CGT issue, so thats a bad idea.

Yacht is a depreciating asset, so if she dies in 20 years time will probably be worth naff all. But gift it and you pass over current MV as a PET which isnt great if she buys the big C next year. If you sell the yacht, you have cash, which is a PET if you give it away or taxable if you still have it, so you haven't solved anything if she dies soon anyway.

Dribble cash out bit by bit is good. A&M trust for a disabled son should be ok from an IHT perspective so you can drop a shit load into that now and it will always be safe. Also an A&M trust for the grandkid. Not sure if there is a 10 year charge.

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Today: any random tom dick or harry with a chip on their shoulder, or ruthless entrepreneur, can get government money to set up and run their own school. Specifically to teach creationism you can only assume. I mean SRSLY WTF?

No-one will.

Actually they already are. Toby Young was wanking on a week or two ago on Radio 4 about how he and other parents in his area are doing it - they got all prepared for the moment they could apply.

I am ready to be surprised when they actually have a school. Who is Toby Young?

A particularly twatty journalist. Wrote "how to lose friends and alienate people", and writes for the Spectator and Torygraph.

He's a columnist, they get paid a fortune for being opinionated and if that opinion differs to yours it makes them a twat. He may well be a twat - I don't know him. However, his father was a bit of an overachiever and has history of wanting to improve people's educations amongst a plethora of other things.
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Haven't we spoke about those before Grim...?

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He's a columnist, they get paid a fortune for being opinionated and if that opinion differs to yours it makes them a twat.


No, him being a twat makes him a twat.

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That sounds about right - Young may well be a twat, but his reasoning for wanting to start this new school were pretty, well, altruistic, really. Makes sense he got it from his dad.

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"By tilting your iPhone you control the AR.Drone, and by releasing it, the Drone is instantly stabilized."

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My word.

Very odd story from Germany. Summary is:

1. Chappy drove to the clubhouse of the Munich chapter of the Hells Angels. OK, not my ideal destination but perhaps he was visiting a friend.

2. Chappy got out of his car. Fine.

3. Chappy dropped his trousers. Interesting.

4. Chappy threw a puppy at a collection of bikers. I.... what?

5. Chappy stole a bulldozer and drove at TOP SPEED back home creating, being that TOP SPEED is walking pace, enormous traffic jams as he went. Good show. However the story does not record if he was still sans trousers at this point. It's the missing of important details like this that makes one wonder about British journalists.

8. Chappy was apprehended by police. Boo-urns.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 15:55 
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Zardoz wrote:
Yes. But it's still belmworthy.

On a scale of Carl Sagan's writing to Craster jumping on a grenade, it's not at the Craster end of the belmitude scale.

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Nowhere near. I just don't want Mr Dave to stick up for you.

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