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I haven't changed my mind, I just forgot I'd offered. It's just sitting on a shelf gathering dust – I'll never use it again, so you're absolutely welcome to it.

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[edit]I just point the camera at things and press the button, so I need one that focuses for me and all that.
I find autofocus a dodgy proposition for pub shooting. The very wide aperture means I have a very small depth of field (I can almost get down to the nose-in-focus eyes-out-of-focus levels where it's arguably too small); and, at least on my GF1, the autofocus isn't that tremendously good in very low light. That's why I did most of my shooting last Wednesday in manual focus. I'm not sure if your Rebel will have a superior autofocus mechanism to my GF1.


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Whichever focus you need, you're going to end up with a very wide aperture (what with it being practically dark), unless you have freakish granite hands like you.

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Hahah! Yes. I have no idea how I was producing those pin-sharp 1/5s shots.


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I think I'm going to go for the D5000, if it feels comfortable to hold. Did lots of snooping around yesterday and I think it has a slight edge over the 450d for low light shots, Video mode is a nice bonus and the flip out LCD could be very handy at times. (Especially when I'm doing my solo glamour work). They're a good price on Amazon at the moment, plus an extra £50 cash back if I get one before the end of April.

If it feels urgh, then it's a 450d.

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My point-and-shoot had a flip-out LCD, my GF1 doesn't, and I miss it.


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It's quite a decent feature as it can be flipped inwards so the back can be left with just the viewfinder.

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Had a good old fondle in town with a 450D and a D5000. The D5000 is heavier but felt more comfortable to hold for me than the 450D. Plus it has the benefit of movie mode and a swiveling LCD (very handy and well constructed) and seems to have the edge in lower light from what I've seen and read.

I did read that early batches of D5000s were recalled due to power button problems (fixed and returned for free by Nikon) but hopefully that's all history now if I were to buy a new one.

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So D5000 so far, then?


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 Post subject: Re: Camera gear
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Yeah I recon.


...it's a fucker of a decision to make though as I don't want it to bite my arse down the line when I'm buying extra bits of kit.

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Bloody hell, is this 4 reelz?

http://www.thedigitalcamerashop.co.uk/product_details.php?id=4286&gclid=CKao9rz39KACFdIrDgodmgwMwA

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 Post subject: Re: Camera gear
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Note the pic is of the pancake lens but the product description is the kit zoom.


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 Post subject: Re: Camera gear
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Yeah, just about to edit that post...

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Ordering a D5000 (with kit lens) tonight from Currys. Good time to buy as they're one of the cheapest online plus if I order before tomorrow evening I get an extra 5% off, and I'm still within time to get the £50 rebate back from Nikon.

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 Post subject: Re: Camera gear
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Oh yeah SD cards.

Is there a big benefit in the SDHC cards over SD cards, WTF is class 4, class 6? Is that the speed.

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 Post subject: Re: Camera gear
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Oh yeah SD cards.

Is there a big benefit in the SDHC cards over SD cards, WTF is class 4, class 6? Is that the speed.


Yep, the class thing is the speed, a higher numer is rated as being faster. Unless you have a camera that is a brute at high speed shooting, the class rating (as long as it's not something super-shit low) is more apparent for transferring a lot of files to the computer than it is for shooting.

Some really old card readers won't work properly with SDHC cards. The HC bit means high capacity, as orignally SD cards couldn't go up to 4GB (or something like that).

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Ta, I had a look around and found this about the transfer rates/class numbers:

Class 2: minimum sustained DTS of 2MB/sec
Class 4: minimum sustained DTS of 4MB/sec
Class 6: minimum sustained DTS of 6MB/sec

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You typically need to be David Bellamy to outshoot your card's transfer rate, the only time it's likely to ever affect you is transferring pics off the camera.

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So I buy the second cheapest then? Cool.

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Those ratings are rather out of date and due to be resolved. There's plenty of cards around that are quite a bit faster than the Class 6 designation. I bought a Sandisk Extreme III on the grounds that, whilst I might not need all that extra performance, it wasn't so outrageously expensive that I should look harder for other deals.

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You typically need to be David Bellamy to outshoot your card's transfer rate, the only time it's likely to ever affect you is transferring pics off the camera.
If I shoot RAW+JPEG I'm using almost 20Mb a picture. If I'm using the 3fps motor drive mode, that means I'm writing 60Mb/sec to the card -- well above most card transfer speeds. In practice, in RAW mode with the motor drive on the slower 2fps setting, I can shoot about 8-10 in a row before some internal buffer overflows.


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You mean David Bailey?
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You typically need to be David Bellamy to outshoot your card's transfer rate, the only time it's likely to ever affect you is transferring pics off the camera.


And for which I'd highly recommend getting a card reader, instead of relying on plugging your camera in every time. No reliance on your camera's battery life, and transferring through a reader seems to be much faster.


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Those ratings are rather out of date and due to be resolved. There's plenty of cards around that are quite a bit faster than the Class 6 designation. I bought a Sandisk Extreme III on the grounds that, whilst I might not need all that extra performance, it wasn't so outrageously expensive that I should look harder for other deals.

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You typically need to be David Bellamy to outshoot your card's transfer rate, the only time it's likely to ever affect you is transferring pics off the camera.
If I shoot RAW+JPEG I'm using almost 20Mb a picture. If I'm using the 3fps motor drive mode, that means I'm writing 60Mb/sec to the card -- well above most card transfer speeds. In practice, in RAW mode with the motor drive on the slower 2fps setting, I can shoot about 8-10 in a row before some internal buffer overflows.


It always puzzles me that compacts shoot raw and JPEG together when it's commonly accepted that most cameras internal JPEG processing isn't very good so if you're shooting raw then surely you'd have some post production software that will do the job better.. I'm sure there's a reason, but it does bother me that it does this.

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Those ratings are rather out of date and due to be resolved. There's plenty of cards around that are quite a bit faster than the Class 6 designation. I bought a Sandisk Extreme III on the grounds that, whilst I might not need all that extra performance, it wasn't so outrageously expensive that I should look harder for other deals.

That's a good price (with just over a quid for a reader too) from what I've seen already. Ta, Doc.

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If I'm using the 3fps motor drive mode, that means I'm writing 60Mb/sec to the card -- well above most card transfer speeds. In practice, in RAW mode with the motor drive on the slower 2fps setting, I can shoot about 8-10 in a row before some internal buffer overflows.


The point being that the buffer is what stops it being an issue. Even at 8-10 shots (I can get around 20, typically), that's enough of a buffer that write speed is irrelevant. How often have you outshot the buffer?

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It also bothers me that dSLRs seem to use SD cards in their lower end models - is it that much of a money saver? I've never had a problem, ever, with any of my CF cards, but have had problems with SD cards on numerous occasions.

Also, on a slightly unrelated note, I see CS5 premium package is available for preorder for the jaw-dropping amount of just under £1800! PS on it's own is nearly £800.

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It always puzzles me that compacts shoot raw and JPEG together when it's commonly accepted that most cameras internal JPEG processing isn't very good so if you're shooting raw then surely you'd have some post production software that will do the job better.. I'm sure there's a reason, but it does bother me that it does this.
In my case, I've turned it on so I can bung the SD card reader into things like TVs and people's computers and have it make sense of them. I don't usually use it though.

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Occasionally when trying to get shots of my dogs running (a decent picture of which has so far eluded me). Not often, admittedly.


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It also bothers me that dSLRs seem to use SD cards in their lower end models - is it that much of a money saver? I've never had a problem, ever, with any of my CF cards, but have had problems with SD cards on numerous occasions.


Ditto. SD cards, from my experience, are pretty unreliable things both physically and storage-wise. I've never had a problem with CF cards over thousands of shots.

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Also, on a slightly unrelated note, I see CS5 premium package is available for preorder for the jaw-dropping amount of just under £1800! PS on it's own is nearly £800.


Ouch. How much is it in the US, given Adobe's track record of fucking over the UK market? Not that I'll be buying it; CS4 is absolutely fine for most things, but I wish Adobe would fix the stupid fucking little things wrong with their suites instead of investing on massive things you'll use once to wow people then never again. And stop making me reset my AIPrefs file, you pricks.


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It always puzzles me that compacts shoot raw and JPEG together when it's commonly accepted that most cameras internal JPEG processing isn't very good so if you're shooting raw then surely you'd have some post production software that will do the job better.. I'm sure there's a reason, but it does bother me that it does this.
IIRC it's so that you can review your pictures on the camera without it having to process them every time.

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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
DBSnappa wrote:
It always puzzles me that compacts shoot raw and JPEG together when it's commonly accepted that most cameras internal JPEG processing isn't very good so if you're shooting raw then surely you'd have some post production software that will do the job better.. I'm sure there's a reason, but it does bother me that it does this.
In my case, I've turned it on so I can bung the SD card reader into things like TVs and people's computers and have it make sense of them. I don't usually use it though.

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How often have you outshot the buffer?
Occasionally when trying to get shots of my dogs running (a decent picture of which has so far eluded me). Not often, admittedly.


Unfortunately, I've come to the conclusion, from having a camera that is capable of shooting 17-20 frames at >5fps, the only solution to getting that great shot is take loads of pictures and be lucky. So the camera won't be that much of a hindrance as you imagine, more the number of frames you shoot unless you get lucky.

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Ouch. How much is it in the US, given Adobe's track record of fucking over the UK market?

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/compare/

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So the camera won't be that much of a hindrance as you imagine, more the number of frames you shoot unless you get lucky.
That's my conclusion too. I am patient and hopeful.


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This was taken on my lumix, a totally lucky shot, but it shows mid gallop on Spiro where three legs are airborne. It's a crop, obv.


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Ordering a D5000 (with kit lens) tonight from Currys. Good time to buy as they're one of the cheapest online plus if I order before tomorrow evening I get an extra 5% off, and I'm still within time to get the £50 rebate back from Nikon.

Go via Quidco and you get about £16 cashback, too.

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CS4 is absolutely fine for most things


I still use CS1.

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Ouch. How much is it in the US, given Adobe's track record of fucking over the UK market?

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/compare/


About £500 more for the UK, not counting VAT etc. Hmm.

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I still use CS1.


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It always puzzles me that compacts shoot raw and JPEG together when it's commonly accepted that most cameras internal JPEG processing isn't very good so if you're shooting raw then surely you'd have some post production software that will do the job better.. I'm sure there's a reason, but it does bother me that it does this.


Unless you've got something like Lightroom that'll batch process all your photographs, it's a bit of a pain in the arse to have to manually convert everything just to have a first flick through to chuck away the rubbish pics.

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Speaking of RAW. Is there a way of seeing my RAW .CR2 files as thumbnails in Windows 7 64 without paying for third-party codecs yet? I think this is going to rely on Canon releasing their own x64 codec, which as far as I can tell they have yet to do.


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*Assumes Canon are the only ones doing .CR2*

There is for XP, there must be for 7. You should be able to download it via the Canon web site. XP update prompted me there I think.

Also any recommendations for Camera Tripods? Ideally compact but tall, I have a small one although it too tall for it to be useful most of the time.


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Craster wrote:
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It always puzzles me that compacts shoot raw and JPEG together when it's commonly accepted that most cameras internal JPEG processing isn't very good so if you're shooting raw then surely you'd have some post production software that will do the job better.. I'm sure there's a reason, but it does bother me that it does this.


Unless you've got something like Lightroom that'll batch process all your photographs, it's a bit of a pain in the arse to have to manually convert everything just to have a first flick through to chuck away the rubbish pics.


I suppose what I should clarify is the puzzling thing. On my Lumix compact there's no option to shoot just raw. This I don't get. Also, my mac can read raw files in the Finder. Is this built into the OS or is it something utilising plug-ins from LR or PS?

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Also, my mac can read raw files in the Finder. Is this built into the OS or is it something utilising plug-ins from LR or PS?
It's built into the OS, although it's the same set of capture drivers used by iPhoto and Aperture. And notably, it doesn't support all cameras, seeing as how RAW isn't actually a file format. Until the release of Aperture 3.0.1 (and an accompanying system update), no part of Apple's software could make sense of the RAW files from my GF1.


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Also, my mac can read raw files in the Finder. Is this built into the OS or is it something utilising plug-ins from LR or PS?
It's built into the OS, although it's the same set of capture drivers used by iPhoto and Aperture.


OK, that makes sense.

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You learn something new every day. This isn't one of those instances. :p I am well aware that raw isn't a format. You may have noticed my pedantic lack of capitalisation. There's always lag between a new camera being released with a new(ish) sensor in it and the software to read the capture data being readily accessible.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 17:10 
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Speaking of RAW. Is there a way of seeing my RAW .CR2 files as thumbnails in Windows 7 64 without paying for third-party codecs yet? I think this is going to rely on Canon releasing their own x64 codec, which as far as I can tell they have yet to do.


Oh I found this, should help:
http://www.microsoft.com/proPhoto/Resources/codecs.aspx

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Possible lie! Seems to fail on my Windows 7 x64.

But this appears to work:

http://www.fastpictureviewer.com

Not paid for it yet but I'll try to let you know if it wants me to. Might keep me in pictures until Canon pull their finger out.


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 Post subject: Re: Camera gear
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 17:11 
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So how different is RAW to TWAIN then? Sounds like a similar thing going on between the device and computer.

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 Post subject: Re: Camera gear
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 17:13 
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RAW is, I think, just an umbrella term applied to "no compression not even lossless" camera formats (in whatever byte order/colour depth/that-thing-I-can't-for-the-life-of-me-remember-the-name-of,-YUV/4:2:2-type-stuff they fancy, and including whatever metadata they fancy, also in whatever random format they fancy). TWAIN is a specification to allow applications to talk to scanner/camera drivers/tools consistently.


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 Post subject: Re: Camera gear
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 17:15 
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Zardoz wrote:
So how different is RAW to TWAIN then? Sounds like a similar thing going on between the device and computer.

You're taking the piss now aren't you? It's just confusing when there aren't any obvious clues like pictures of Myp with his head grafted onto a knobend.

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