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MarzSyndrome
 Post subject: No No No NO DEAR DEITIES OF THE UNIVERSE
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:04 
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ITV + Top-notch cult game show from yesteryear = guaranteed epic fail.

They already soulsucked their own Krypton Factor to bleak nothingness. Aren't they satisfied enough?



Next on the cards: Knightmare revived with Ant & Dec as Treguard's "long lost twin sons". And set in a flashy studio. With text vote participation.


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Plissken
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:54 
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ITV really don't get it, do they? They are losing £stupid million a year and think it is because advertising rates are going down, or the BBC is too powerful and they never, ever, ever think it is because they put on shit shows, with talentless presenters full of "celebrities" one career step away from the Big Brother house.

Post-Christmas, in a recession and they send Piers Cunt to Las Vegas. That is really what we all want to watch. A cunt in a helicopter puffing his ego in a den of money.

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When there's hardly enough programmes for them to scrape together one channel's worth of shite, I'm constantly aghast that there's at least another 2 ITV channels on digital.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:26 
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Amanda Holden? FFS.

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Dimrill
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:33 
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What do you expect? Cowell near enough owns ITV so his chums get first dibs on being daubed across the airwaves.

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Zardoz
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:38 
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Dimrill wrote:
What do you expect?

Me.

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BrigBother
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:50 
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MarzSyndrome wrote:
ITV + Top-notch cult game show from yesteryear = guaranteed epic fail.

They already soulsucked their own Krypton Factor to bleak nothingness. Aren't they satisfied enough?


The new Krypton Factor is quite good though - it's really hard and respects its source rather well. And the new assault course premiered last night and it works rather well - much better than lat year's effort at any rate.

In fact I was at the recording for the Grand Final and my heart sank when I discovered there wasn't going to be an Intelligence round this year, and disappointment was writ large upon my face last night when it still turns out to be very watchable.

I very much suspect Amanda Holden won't actually be hosting The Crystal Maze, but really, it's a well liked show why shouldn't ITV consider making a new version?

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Zio
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I've been watching a lot of the old Sherlock Holmes TV series with Jeremy Brett recently and find it staggering that ITV were once able to make top-notch telly like that. What the fuck happened?
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Curiosity
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Zio wrote:
I've been watching a lot of the old Sherlock Holmes TV series with Jeremy Brett recently and find it staggering that ITV were once able to make top-notch telly like that. What the fuck happened?


The success of Big Brother and I'm a Celeb prompted them to believe that nobody wanted to watch any good telly any more.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:27 
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BrigBother wrote:
I very much suspect Amanda Holden won't actually be hosting The Crystal Maze, but really, it's a well liked show why shouldn't ITV consider making a new version?


I have no problem with them making a new version. The problem is that they think it should be presented by someone like Amanda Holden and should ITVs now reflex action that it should involve "celebrity" contestants.

If they can't get something as basic as the presenter and contestants right, what chance does it have?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:37 
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Curiosity wrote:
Zio wrote:
I've been watching a lot of the old Sherlock Holmes TV series with Jeremy Brett recently and find it staggering that ITV were once able to make top-notch telly like that. What the fuck happened?


The success of Big Brother and I'm a Celeb prompted them to believe that nobody wanted to watch any good telly any more.


Actually what happened is that two former directors of the company asset stripped it in the 90s and shut down and sold off all the bloody studios and outsourced the productions to make a quick buck. A TV company that doesn't actually make any of it's own shows is obviously going to struggle in the long term as they don't actually have any product to sell in the future. Sure, it looks good on the balance sheet in the short term as overheads are slashed, but without investment in product your future income is wholly dependent on ad revenue. You'd have to be fucking blind to not realise that would fall at some stage.

Anyway, expect Chinny along in a sec to suggest this...

http://www.cpbf.org.uk/body.php?id=2095

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Curiosity wrote:
Zio wrote:
I've been watching a lot of the old Sherlock Holmes TV series with Jeremy Brett recently and find it staggering that ITV were once able to make top-notch telly like that. What the fuck happened?


The success of Big Brother and I'm a Celeb prompted them to believe that nobody wanted to watch any good telly any more.

I love you way you don't mention the X Factor :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 20:39 
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Dimrill wrote:
What do you expect? Cowell near enough owns ITV so his chums get first dibs on being daubed across the airwaves.


At least ITV3 show some of the good ITV programmes from yesteryear. Ok, two good programmes from yesteryear.

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I've been watching a lot of the old Sherlock Holmes TV series with Jeremy Brett recently and find it staggering that ITV were once able to make top-notch telly like that. What the fuck happened?


The success of Big Brother and I'm a Celeb prompted them to believe that nobody wanted to watch any good telly any more.

I love you way you don't mention the X Factor :)


That's because X Factor is ace.

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Actually, this could be a good thing.....

You see the next logical step would be to bring back Interceptor. But then they'd also have to use celebrities for that as well.

Lasers are so passe, so the Interceptor himself would have to be armed with, say, a machine gun, a sniper rifle and some sort of flame thrower.

But where would you find an angry Scotsman who dresses in black to play the part? :attitude:
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Curiosity wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
Zio wrote:
I've been watching a lot of the old Sherlock Holmes TV series with Jeremy Brett recently and find it staggering that ITV were once able to make top-notch telly like that. What the fuck happened?


The success of Big Brother and I'm a Celeb prompted them to believe that nobody wanted to watch any good telly any more.

I love you way you don't mention the X Factor :)


That's because X Factor is ace.

More like the de-facto leader of ITV's "Lowest Common Denominator" brigade, and aimed at people who don't like music. The one ironic thing is that it too attempted a 'celebrity' special, and yet it didn't go down well at all.

Just because you add "dramatic"-sounding music and money-siphoning explosions to a television programme, it doesn't make its quality "top-notch". Indeed, X-Factor is a prime example of that book's explanation of television being driven entirely by money (the advertising costs, the voting procedure, the single and album buying etc).
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More like the de-facto leader of ITV's "Lowest Common Denominator" brigade, and aimed at people who don't like music. The one ironic thing is that it too attempted a 'celebrity' special, and yet it didn't go down well at all.

Just because you add "dramatic"-sounding music and money-siphoning explosions to a television programme, it doesn't make its quality "top-notch". Indeed, X-Factor is a prime example of that book's explanation of television being driven entirely by money (the advertising costs, the voting procedure, the single and album buying etc).


That's odd, because I love music, and yet I love The X Factor.

I guess I'm not as narrow minded as you.

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Grim... wrote:
Hey, MarzSyndrome is back!

Did someone say 'x factor'?
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Curiosity wrote:
MarzSyndrome wrote:
More like the de-facto leader of ITV's "Lowest Common Denominator" brigade, and aimed at people who don't like music. The one ironic thing is that it too attempted a 'celebrity' special, and yet it didn't go down well at all.

Just because you add "dramatic"-sounding music and money-siphoning explosions to a television programme, it doesn't make its quality "top-notch". Indeed, X-Factor is a prime example of that book's explanation of television being driven entirely by money (the advertising costs, the voting procedure, the single and album buying etc).


That's odd, because I love music, and yet I love The X Factor.

I guess I'm not as narrow minded as you.

:D

Except, of course, fame academy was much more acurately named.
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The x-factor is televised begging.

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Mrs Metal wailed in horror when I told her this.

Other things that can fuck off are that 'Hole In The Wall' thing. Yes, a clever idea, but there's about 30 seconds of excellence (contestant futilely trying to pose for the hole and getting knocked flying) and 25 minutes of H-LIST CELEBRITY CUNT CONTESTANTS NOT BE AMUSING TALKING TO UNAMUSING CUNT HOST.

Incidentally, bring back Wheel of Fortune. I'm sure John 'Not a Rapist' Leslie would host it again along with that funny looking ethnic bird, and they could do celebrity theme nights! I can't wait for 'Washed up game journos' night, when He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named competes against Biffo and Dominik Diamond for a new Vimto Kettle.
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Hole in the Wall. Proof positive that you can do the same joke 376 times in a row and morons will still laugh at it.

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Hole in the Wall. Proof positive that you can do the same joke 376 times in a row and morons will still laugh at it.

Must. Resist. Obvious. Feex.
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Plissken wrote:
Proof positive that you can do the same joke 376 times in a row and morons will still laugh at it.


It's a winning formula I try to adhere to.
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Hole in the Wall. Poofs are positive that I can do the same cock 376 times in a row and I'll still gag on it.

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He's fallen in the water!

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myoptikakaka wrote:
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Hole in the Wall. Proof positive that you can do the same joke 376 times in a row and morons will still laugh at it.

Must. Resist. Obvious. Feex.


I was gonna go with Peter Kay...

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I was gonna go with Peter Kay...


...but we'd run out of lube?
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Zio wrote:
I've been watching a lot of the old Sherlock Holmes TV series with Jeremy Brett recently and find it staggering that ITV were once able to make top-notch telly like that. What the fuck happened?
Don't worry, the BBC are doing it now:
http://community.livejournal.com/ohnoth ... 71159.html

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Sherlock Holmes is being brought back to life on our TV screens, but this time the famous detective will be policing the gritty streets of modern London.
Oh.

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With Moffat doing it, I'm sure it will be fun.

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W.T.F?

Modern Holmes :spew:

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MarzSyndrome wrote:
They already soulsucked their own Krypton Factor to bleak nothingness. Aren't they satisfied enough?


Oh? so what did they change about it then?

Original 80s one - some questions and an assault course.

New one - some questions and an assault course.

I watched the new one a couple of times and it seemed perfectly fine to me.

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To redress the balance they ought to do a programme about Reg from The Bill going back to the Stone Age to solve crimes.

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Incidentally, the Amanda Holden Crystal Maze thing is The Door on ITV1 next Friday, which appears to be more Fear Factor than anything. More bafflingly, it's being co-hosted by Chris Tarrant (does it pay cash? I'll do it!), suggesting he's perfectly happy to host the sort of shows he used to take the piss out of.

Still, might be entertaining.

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There was an episode of 8 out of 10 Cats on Channel 4 years ago and one of the topics discussed was Michael Grade (I think) being persuaded to move from the BBC to ITV, obviously for large sums of money.

One of the guests on this episode of 8 out of 10 Cats was everyone's favourite dead Big Brother contestant, Jade Goody.

Jade, world(?) reknowned for being as thick as three short planks, said this (paraphrased): "What I don't get is, why are ITV spending so much money on getting this man from BBC to come over to them, when they could just spend all that money making better TV programmes?"

When things are so bad that Jade Goody realises the futility in your actions, you know that you need to change.

But they didn't.
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Grim... wrote:
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Sherlock Holmes is being brought back to life on our TV screens, but this time the famous detective will be policing the gritty streets of modern London.
Oh.
Moffat and Gatiss? I'm all over this like white on rice.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 14:02 

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Sherlock Holmes is being brought back to life on our TV screens, but this time the famous detective will be policing the gritty streets of modern London.
Oh.
Moffat and Gatiss? I'm all over this like white on rice.


Ugh, this makes my brain hurt. Moffat and Gatiss normally = WIN, but this, this... abomination... sounds fucking shit.
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Zardoz
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 14:25 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 17:21 
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I struggle to see how Sherlock Holmes can work on the 'gritty streets of modern London'

"Watson. The paperazzi have sent another hack to follow me around."
"That's me Holmes"
"Oh, Goodo. Make me look proper whack and shit."
"Will do Holmes."
"Right, the game is afoot, to the internet. Hmmm, image enhanced CCTV footage, combined with latest DNA analysis and spectral oojimiwhatsit which doesn't exist, show it was my arch nemesis Moriarty"
"But Holmes, we need a love interest, and I know Moffat worked with RTD, what say you Holmes, old chap? Holmes?"
"Flattered as I am Watson, get back to writing your hackneyed claptrap, I have an attractive woman to chase, get in danger, then save at the last second of the first episode to provide a rather naff story arch."
"Holmes, in your last gasp saving of this woman, you have let Moriarty escape."
"Never mind Watson; episode 2 is afoot"

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Grim...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 17:23 
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The first time some "gritty" person from the street says "What up, holmes?" to Watson there is going to be a world of confusion.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 17:26 
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You've got it all wrong. They're just going to dub CSI with the name "Holmes" whenever the lead character is mentioned. Badly. In a Geordie accent.

That's what it'll be like.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 17:28 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Grim... wrote:
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Sherlock Holmes is being brought back to life on our TV screens, but this time the famous detective will be policing the gritty streets of modern London.
Oh.
Moffat and Gatiss? I'm all over this like white on rice.


:the complete opposite of that:
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Cras
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 17:32 
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Dimrill wrote:
You've got it all wrong. They're just going to dub CSI with the name "Holmes" whenever the lead character is mentioned. Badly. In a Geordie accent.


"So the villain was a young schoolboy after all, Holmes?"
"Oh, yes, indeed. You could in fact say the solution was .... elementary"
*Sunglasses on*
YEEEEEAAAHHHHHH

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 17:40 
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Presumably opium addicts in the slums of 19th century Whitechapel wasn't gritty enough.
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Zardoz
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 17:47 
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Is he going to be a crack whore on his quiet days this time around?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 18:05 
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He's going to be on Meow Meow to make it "relevant" to the "kids".
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