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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:50 
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Even I don't know what the H stands for.


And yet they were never the same after he left.


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Even I don't know what the H stands for.

Wait, heroin?

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Even I don't know what the H stands for.


And yet they were never the same after he left.


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Even I don't know what the H stands for.


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Anyone else got a Steps joke?

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You can *NEVER* have too many Steps jokes.


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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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You can *NEVER* have too many Steps jokes.

Well you have to stop after FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT!


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You can *NEVER* have too many Steps jokes.

Well you have to stop after FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT!

Tragedy.

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Grim... wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Squirt wrote:
You can *NEVER* have too many Steps jokes.

Well you have to stop after FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT!

Tragedy.

This whole thread is Better Best Forgotten.


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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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Squirt wrote:
Grim... wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
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You can *NEVER* have too many Steps jokes.

Well you have to stop after FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT!

Tragedy.

This whole thread is Better Best Forgotten.

It's the last thing on my mind.

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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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Here's a piece on the Consitution Unit's blog about how the 'narrative' of devolution has changed in the twenty years since the first Holyrood elections.

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Broadly speaking, the ‘story’ of devolution in Scotland was owned, at first, by the Scottish Labour Party from the 1980s until the early 2000s, before the Scottish National Party (SNP) assumed control in the mid-2000s. More recently, ownership has become more competitive, with the Scottish Conservative Party belatedly expressing comfort with devolution and challenging the SNP’s claim to ‘stand up for Scotland’.


The argument about claiming a story is an interesting one. Not sure how far it works as a way to handle the present and near future, rather than understand the past, but it's an argument I've not really thought about before. Certainly, my perception of the Union was always from an English perspective, and we never really built a story about the EU in the way the Brexit parties did.


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Another Constitution Unit blog post, on the hard truths surrounding any border poll in Northern Ireland.

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A poll now would be a leap into the void – likely to lead not to early unity but to chaos, because no one has worked out either the route to a United Ireland, or a plan for what that would look like. Neither is in the Agreement. It offers only the principle of consent and the trigger for the process of unity, through the northern border poll. Beyond that, it offers no route map, and only a few stray suggestions of the principles that would inform the structure of a unified state.

Without a process, a vote for unity would raise expectations and heightened tensions with no political mechanism in place for channelling them. The results could be profoundly destabilising.


Useful background reading and probably one we might be referring to in the near future.


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The Welsh Assembly is now the Welsh Parliament / Senedd Cymru . That one passed me by!


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It's just occurred to me that it's now illegal for the English to enter Wales. Somewhere, Edward I is not particularly happy about this.


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"You might be in the strategically important oranges, but everyone knows it is Mayfair that gets the cash and ruins people!"

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It's just occurred to me that it's now illegal for the English to enter Wales. Somewhere, Edward I is not particularly happy about this.

Not for me it's not.

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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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"You might be in the strategically important oranges, but everyone knows it is Mayfair that gets the cash and ruins people!"

This is clearly wrong, I didn't know it's Mayfair that gets the cash and ruins people.

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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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Mr Johnson is going to Scotland today to remind them of how much he loves them and wants them to stay. I'm not sure these feelings will be reciprocated.


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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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Mr Johnson is going to Scotland today to remind them of how much he loves them and wants them to stay. I'm not sure these feelings will be reciprocated.


I'm fairly sure I speak for all of the non-Rangers fans in Scotland when I say: he can go fuck himself.


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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/13 ... 9451667456




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It's just pathetic, isn't it?

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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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I actually remember the days when the Union was strong enough that we didn't need flags everywhere, all the time.


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Whilst I'm thinking about the Union today, it's worth noting that the Constitution Unit at UCL have just released their report on how a border poll in Northern Ireland could happen and how it should be organised, if you fancy a preview of a future season.

Will probably peruse it as my leisure in time, but their key conclusion is at the top of the blog post:

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Referendums on the future of the island of Ireland should only be held with a clear plan for what follows


These constitutional nerds, eh? What's wrong with a slogan on a bus?


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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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Oh boy, these results mean the next few years are going to be fun!

Giphy "exciting constitutional tangles":
https://media4.giphy.com/media/GkEg03bKaezjG/giphy-loop.mp4


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Bravo Giphy, bravo!


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I was exasperated to hear Jill Mortimer on BBC Breakfast yesterday, saying the Tories were doing so well because they'd delivered on Brexit.

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Kern wrote:
Oh boy, these results mean the next few years are going to be fun!

Giphy "exciting constitutional tangles":
https://media2.giphy.com/media/gj6ycml2r6anyCdajp/giphy-loop.mp4


Yep, I'm looking forward to Johnson saying the SNPs 48% vote share doesn't give them a mandate while conveniently ignoring his own 43% vote share that was touted as "a mandate for brexit".
I still want independence, but I feel like it's really not getting any closer. (No one: .... Absolutely no one: .... Tory: NATIONALISTS NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT INDEPENDENCE!) Most interesting part to me was some of the smaller swings we saw. I was kinda expecting to see more movement away from the Tories in some areas, given the negative impacts Brexit has had on some of them. It's a little amusing to see there was basically no change in vote share - I don't think any party broke much more than a 1% country-wide voteshare difference from 2016.

I didn't expect the SNP to win a majority, but I'm definitely happy them and the greens got a few extra seats between them - it looks to me like together they achieved more than 50% of the total vote, which is definitely promising for hopes of independence! It amuses me somewhat that the Unionist voters appear to have managed to figure out tactical voting with the AMS system better than the endless "BOTH VOTES SNP" crowd. Yay, hundreds of thousands of wasted 2nd votes?


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 Post subject: Re: The end of the UK?
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The more I think about it, the more I reckon the best thing Johnson could do right now is call Sturgeon's bluff and get it out of the way. The longer it looks like he's deliberately obstructing it, the greater the grievance, the more fuel for the SNP, and the increased likelihood of a successful poll.

As for me, emotionally the Union's over. Any argument I have against secession is now purely pragmatic rather than principled. I can't see the Tories doing anything as radical as some form of federalisation/Home Rule All Round, and the current talk of going on a Union Jack-emblazed spending spree would provide the Scots with a nice bit of infrastructure but now very unlikely to sway minds.


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Yeah, I agree. It's still at best on a knife-edge, and him being all "yeah, sure!" might well nail down the stay vote. I reckon they need longer, more of the English disaffected moving, and longer fractious relations with Westminster to actually get independence. And the huge irony of it being largely the same as the Brexit farrago - a little more independence at a large financial cost - won't be lost on many, and makes voting complicated.


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