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Author:  TheVision [ Mon Oct 02, 2017 15:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
The thing is, Windows phone got updated to Windows ten around the same time as it was released for the PC. It would appear that this was too little, too late though.

I've enjoyed my Windows Phone but I can't see me using it like I use my Zune.
Author:  Cras [ Mon Oct 02, 2017 15:49 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
Some of the UI paradigms they came up with for WP were generally innovative and pleasant to use. Others weren't
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Oct 02, 2017 17:41 ]
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Cras wrote:
Some of the UI paradigms they came up with for WP were generally innovative and pleasant to use. Others weren't

Yep. Having a settings menu that made iOS settings seem a logical and coherent arrangement wasn’t a great move.
Author:  TheVision [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 14:17 ]
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Looks like I’m the straw that broke the camels back! Mere days after having an Android phone... Maybe I should have turned the lights off on the way out?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41551546
Author:  LewieP [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 14:39 ]
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Nah it's been dead since it's inception. MS have just finally cottoned on.
Author:  TheVision [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 14:42 ]
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Which is a real shame. They had some great ideas and were ahead of the curve with a lot of them it's just no one took any notice.
Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:05 ]
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I've only ever known one real person who had a Windows phone. We used to joke that when our Microsoft TAM came to visit the userbase on the island had increased by 100%. He never got bored of that one.
Author:  Kern [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:54 ]
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My employer has just finished transferring everyone to Windows phones.
Author:  KovacsC [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:57 ]
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I have one for work... it is ok.

No real apps for it, but then i only want to answer phone calls and text, and read emails.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:18 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
I have one for work... it is ok.

No real apps for it, but then i only want to answer phone calls and text, and read emails.


Me, too.
Author:  TheVision [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:19 ]
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Oh I see, now you'll all come out of the woodwork. Well hands off... I was here first!
Author:  Findus Fop [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:49 ]
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TheVision wrote:
Oh I see, now you'll all come out of the woodwork. Well hands off... I was here first!


Penny's mine, failed mobile-operating-system's mine.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:52 ]
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NEXT!
Author:  asfish [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:20 ]
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Never had a Windows phone, but always had the impression that if you had a device that needed a phone app to run it such as a baby monitor then you always had IOS and Android apps but never a Windows app.

My Dad has a Samsung Surface clone on Windows 10 and spent 10 minutes looking for a Kindle app in the Windows store, couldn't find anything, there did used to be one!

I was having dinner with some people from our client team last week and one of them was showing me this

http://store.hp.com/UKStore/Merch/Offer ... p-elite-x3

Some sort of HP Windows 10 phone that you can integrate with laptops\PC's he was very excited as HP had given him one to try and telling me he was planning to look at deploying them at work.

Guess that project is over now :)
Author:  LewieP [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 13:10 ]
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I think I saw a report that HP are looking into doing an Android version of that phone.
Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 21:59 ]
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The whole point of that phone is the good bits of Windows 10 mobile. HP have committed to making it to 2019, though ms did give up on the os a week later.

I still quite want one but can't justify the spends :(
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 23:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
If anyone ever comes up with a single OS that runs on mobile and desktop devices and satisfies both audiences entirely then they'll have a license to print money, but unsurprisingly that's a really difficult problems to solve. At some point it'll happen because it's the Holy Grail for MS, Apple and Google (and anyone who fancies their chances of being the next thing) but on current evidence we're still a while away from that. Microsoft seem to have given up on the idea of Win10 being a 'run anywhere' proposition. Google are/have added Android support to ChromeOS, but the idea of having your device's functionality be dependant on your internet connection is still an understandable deal breaker for most. And Apple still have a hard line between their mobile and desktop OSs.

My suspicion is that Apple are the most likely to come out with a unifying OS first, but it'll be a difficult rebirth no matter who breaks first because it'll inevitably fuck shit up seriously for any existing customer.
Author:  Cras [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 23:14 ]
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Microsoft had it pretty much done, they just couldn't persuade Devs to actually create any universal apps. They make it pretty easy, to be honest.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 23:16 ]
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I have a Dex dock coming for my Note. I had a quick play a while back and it seemed neat.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 23:21 ]
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Cras wrote:
Microsoft had it pretty much done, they just couldn't persuade Devs to actually create any universal apps. They make it pretty easy, to be honest.


Even at the desktop level their universal apps have a deserved bad reputation for performance and features so I'm not convinced they'd actually nailed it. Just look at the Eurogamer/Digital Foundry articles about the Win10/Xbone shared exclusives. On Windows they've been a fucking disaster thus far; and while that can be fixed and made more attractive, the fact that it's been so awful from the start is telling I think.
Author:  Bamba [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 23:27 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I have a Dex dock coming for my Note. I had a quick play a while back and it seemed neat.


Plugging a mouse and keyboard (or X360 pad) into any Android device is 'neat'. Not game changing though.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Oct 11, 2017 23:35 ]
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That's not remotely what Dex is.
Author:  Cras [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 0:24 ]
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Dex is pretty impressive, but pricy as hell and not quite there yet. I believe I mentioned the mental way they've handled sound out over HDMI.
Author:  LewieP [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:33 ]
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I think Google will pull it off best when they add Google Play/Android app support to desktop Chrome.

Microsoft have fucked it with their current implementation.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:43 ]
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LewieP wrote:
I think Google will pull it off best when they add Google Play/Android app support to desktop Chrome.

Microsoft have fucked it with their current implementation.

This would be a game changer. Is it slated?
Author:  asfish [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:18 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
That's not remotely what Dex is.


Its pretty much what the HP solution was trying to be? Dock your phone with screen\mouse etc and you have a PC environment?

That's probably a bit light description wise :)
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:35 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
That's not remotely what Dex is.


It's a dock that lets you plug in a mouse and keyboard and gives you a video out. How's that "not remotely" the same?
Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:11 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
That's not remotely what Dex is.


It's a dock that lets you plug in a mouse and keyboard and gives you a video out. How's that "not remotely" the same?


It’s not remote: You plug it in. Geesh.
Author:  LewieP [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:28 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
LewieP wrote:
I think Google will pull it off best when they add Google Play/Android app support to desktop Chrome.

Microsoft have fucked it with their current implementation.

This would be a game changer. Is it slated?

No I am just guessing what their trajectory looks like.

They also need to do a better job with Android on TVs, but then they could have Chromebooks, Windows/Mac laptops, mobiles, tablets and TVs all running the same apps.

I don't think Microsoft's current approach will really work, they don't have a solid enough foundation anywhere outside of desktop Windows.

Edit: Turns out there is a way of running Android apps in Chrome on Windows/MacOS right now, but it's not polished and it's more of a tool for devs than something for regular use, but it is using the Android emulator that is built into Chrome. I imagine it's on their to do list.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
Bamba wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
That's not remotely what Dex is.


It's a dock that lets you plug in a mouse and keyboard and gives you a video out. How's that "not remotely" the same?

You get a real windowing UX on the screen, with a tabbed browser, MS Office apps, multitasking, etc. That's the important aspect -- a reasonable desktop experience.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:48 ]
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Re: Play Store on Chrome, I have no idea at all if that's a thing. But the Play Store on ChromeOS definitely is. I think all new Chromebooks, and most from the last few years, can now install apps from the Play Store.
Author:  LewieP [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
Yeah I think it's still a beta feature, at least on some devices.

Older apps have issues with things like not being able to resize the window, not having a landscape mode, or not accepting keyboard inputs properly, but apps released for the newer versions of android have support for that sort of thing.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
I think - and hopefully someone is here to tell me if I'm wrong - but I think that you've been able to use a mouse and/or keyboard with Android for aaaaages. Like since the G1 (which, of course, actually had both of those things (well, a trackball)).
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:24 ]
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It appears to still be true:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-con ... -keyboard/
https://www.howtogeek.com/164783/how-to ... or-tablet/
Author:  TheVision [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
You can with Windows Phone too. One of the features of the Lumina range was that you could use it with the continuum dock which gave you an almost full Windows experience, through your phone but on the telly.

It also worked with the Amazon fire stick wirelessly which was ace.
Author:  Bamba [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:35 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
Grim... wrote:
I think - and hopefully someone is here to tell me if I'm wrong - but I think that you've been able to use a mouse and/or keyboard with Android for aaaaages.


It's certainly been a thing since at least the days of the OG Galaxy Note, though at that point I'm not sure if the drivers were baked into Android or a Samsung addition.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:45 ]
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TheVision wrote:
You can with Windows Phone too. One of the features of the Lumina range was that you could use it with the continuum dock which gave you an almost full Windows experience, through your phone but on the telly.

It also worked with the Amazon fire stick wirelessly which was ace.

Sounds ace! You should get one!
Author:  LewieP [ Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Windows Phone 7
Keyboard and mouse support is one thing, but when it was initially added to android it was fairly basic. There was no right click, no scrollwheel support, no selecting text with a cursor, because it was mostly just emulating a tap on the screen.

They have since added support for most of the functionality you'd expect from a mouse/cursor combination.
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