Be Excellent To Each Other

It looks really fucking good. No PSVR though, sadly.

Take that, console plebs!

Vive can do completely wireless. It's an extra cost, but it's an option.

You've got things like Occulus Go, too. It's not as good, but it's interesting, to say the least.

Does the Vive wireless use a battery pack?

It's a duck quacking.

I've never heard of Lone Echo either. Not sure what that proves though...

I've heard of it now.

I’ve watched some videos of Lone Echo and it hasn’t blown my nuts off. Lots of *yawn* fixing machines in space by the looks of it.

I like the look of that VR game where you rip robots heads off instead. Robo summats.

How ironic that you can't remember

Hah.

Robo Recall, twas it’s name. PSVR should get that.

Yeah. There is an official one coming, but a friend has one of these
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/tpcast- ... t-for-ulti

It all started when I said I was going to "borrow" STALKER COP. Due to the first two being bug ridden messes I was unwilling to cough over £25 so downloaded it first. Until that point Doc and I got on quite well, but that seemed to piss him off. One thing I do have on my side is very good long term memory.

Now most people would have just "borrowed" it and not said anything, but I tend to be quite honest and quite open about it. Which only served to piss him off. It wasn't deliberate. The only things I try and do deliberately are good things. However, sometimes I do piss people off and there is nothing I can do about it at all. It is just who I am, and what happens. It's not just here it is everywhere. Which played a large part in me developing agoraphobia and other problems I now suffer from by deliberately trying to avoid *any* conflict whatsoever and thus closing myself off from humanity and cutting the cord. The only people I saw for about four years was very close family and my docs and psychs. That is it, no other contact apart from the internet. Which of course my ex wife stopped me doing for five years or there abouts.

I think a lot of these problems exist because people really just don't understand how things are at this (points to himself) end of the keyboard. If they could see me and talk to me? it would be much better.

I know that my issues are very complex and thus very difficult to understand. Life is like that. My father died when I was 7, and when my ex wife's father died when she was 46 she lost it. She said "You have no idea how I feel !" and I said "Yes I fucking do, I went through it at 7. Only I had only spent 7 years with my father and then to top it all off I got bullied at school and called a bastard every time some one lost an argument".

However, that was learned from direct experience. If you have no experience of total insanity (because believe me I have been there) then I don't expect people to get it. At all. However, it would be nice to have some patience and you know? not being made fun of.

It might be worth noting though, that your understanding of someone else being pissed may be off kilter due to your disability. I expect you find it difficult to read others intentions and understandings at times, and have a prevalence to assume the worst based on past experiences.

What you thought was DoccyG being pissed off with you, may only have been your perception, it may not have been the case.

People are difficult to read and deal with in the best of situations, so I have sympathy for you dude. Try not to take things to heart so much, if possible

You may claim to have "very good long term memory", but I have an infallible post history. Here's the thread and here's what was said
https://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/ ... 6&p=405687










There's another half dozen posts from other people. Somehow, out of that, you latched on to my reaction as objectionable, despite the fact I wasn't the first to reply and I didn't have the most to say.

Everything is off kilter with me dude. Humour, jokes, social situations etc. It's like I am tuned to a different frequency to the entire world. Thankfully some of what I say and do makes sense to others, and once again I have forged a friendship with a guy with chronic depression. Of course, neither of us knew about the other's ailments but that is life I guess? you tend to hang with people you feel comfortable with and vice versa. I just hope and pray he stays alive and well, as I really don't think I have it in me to go through another suicide. Two of my friends are gone from that now. I don't want sympathy either tbh. I hated being in a wheelchair as a kid (I got ran over) because of the attention it got me. I just want to be able to say "Look, some if not all of what I say ain't gonna make much sense to you" and people say "Oh, OK".

It would take weeks to study the illnesses I have, and even longer to understand all of the small nuances like the habits and etc. I don't expect people to do that as tbh? I wouldn't lol.

Doc. What you just showed me is exactly as I remembered the situation. Remember - as I remembered, not you. Every one reacts to situations differently, and feels differently from them.

My Steam Link and Controller arrived today. Serves me right for dawdling over the ordering of it as I guess they ran short of stock for a while.

As much as I can't be fucked, I should probably upgrade my PCs main SSD drive given that I've now run out of space to install games on it about three times. I'm currently running 120Gb and don't need a massive amount more than that so I'm more than happy to settle for doubling the storage to 240GB. A quick search on HUKD threw this up for £42; is it any good:

https://www.ebuyer.com/795725-palit-uv- ... uvs-ssd240

SSD drives kind of confuse me with all their talk of TRIM and other such nonsense so I genuinely don't know if one is as good as the another; or if there are non-obvious pitfalls to avoid here.

Also, if I do pick a new drive up, is it worth trying to do some kind of cloning malarkey; or am I better of just installing Windows fresh and not fucking around?

SATA SSDs are all pretty much of a muchness now, just get the cheapest one that matches the capacity you want. (AFAIK all the NAND chips and controllers come out of the same few places anyway, regardless of brand.)

The ones to watch out for are M2 SSDs that are SATA rather than NVMe. (SATA is markedly slower than NVMe. Although even there, most people would be hard pushed to tell the difference, most of the time.)

You don't have to worry about TRIM or anything like that these days, Windows and the drives between them are smart enough to know what to do, and what not to do, with them.

Is there any particular reason why RAM is still so expensive?

I believe it's nothing more complex than demand outstripping supply, although the big three manufacturers have been talking about increasing production for a while. (Three manufacturers between them effectively control the market.)

Some folks think there's something a bit more sinister going on though - https://fossbytes.com/dram-price-fixing ... expensive/

China are building their own fabs, which should alleviate the issue but it won't be for a while. As for the theories? well, I'm kinda in the latter but only because they have form.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10126755

@bamba why not put games on your spinny drive?

I'd only run games from a hard drive on PC with a gun to my head, loading times are massively decreased when using an SSD. (Depends a bit on the game, but basically it's 'WOOOAH!' faster.)

This is my current PC config, 256GB NVMe for OS, applications and 'permanent' games such as WoW and Hearthstone. (I also use this drive for video editing, clearing down all the files once the video is rendered out and finished. I've seen Resource Monitor report obscene throughput numbers when working with 4K video, and it's one of the edge cases where NVMe SSD makes a noticeable difference when compared with SATA SSD, (as with SATA SSD it's the bus that's maxed out.))

1TB SATA SSD for games (that's all this drive is for).

4TB data drive for everything else.

SSDs are SO BASTARD CHEAP now, it's borderline insanity to use a spinny drive for games.

If I make one change to my PS4, it'll be to get an external SSD and run games from that. Loading times for EVERYBODY'S GOLF really are amazingly shit.

Pretty much what Hearthly said: my understanding is that load times are massively improves when a game's installed on an SSD and I want to take advantage of that.

Slow is better than "not at all", though.

Preach!

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I've never been bothered by loading times and HDDs are super cheap with high capacity. I like having lots of games installed at once so I guess it's horses for courses.

I've thought about it and for right now I am quite happy with FO4. Unless you accidentally enter/exit somewhere with a lot to load. That's annoying. However, even on the stock drive it still loads faster than my PC with an SSD. However, I have everything on ultra, including all of the Gamedoesn'tworks stuff (weapons etc) so it takes up about 8gb of my texture ram (VRAM) before it loads.

Thing is from 20ft it is very hard to tell the difference. I think I am just going to leave it be for now. I still can't get a 1tb SSD for what I am prepared to pay (about £120) so I will just leave it alone. I paid £120 for a 500gb SSD what seems like forever ago. I really hoped that by now spinning drives would be a thing of the past but if anything they have made a resurgence (with the Barry Firecudas).

I think I would be more tempted to go with a 2tb spinner for around £65 or so (external).

Why would I not be able to load a game off an SSD?

You wouldn't be able to if you had a power cut.

Or if you fell ill, and were in a coma.

Because it doesn't fit. That's how all this started, right?

Oh right, yeah. But as soon as I finished Dishonored 2 I just uninstalled it from the SSD and put the new game on. A lack of space isn't "never play this", just "remember to install it later, which is mildly annoying".

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/misc_h ... ctronics/1

So some of the small fry (if you could call them that) have been fined.

nVidia revealed new pro-grade GPUs yesterday, the first with the new Turing architecture and the first with a new hardware based realtime raytracing rendering engine. There's a consumer announcement next week and it seems likely the RT engine will be in those cards too.

This was rendered in it. In realtime. Gosh.

Is this too late now to be the sort of thing that'll be in the next consoles?

Very pretty, be interesting to see how it performs in the wild.
Also, and I know this is a tech demo so is using every bell and whistle going, but cars aren't that reflective in real life. Tone it down a bit and it could be very realistic.

It wasn't that long ago (erk, 12 years ish) that we were using 15 Pentium 4 PCs in a cluster to render things like that at about 5 minutes per frame. Now they can do it at 1080p 60fps.

Stunning.

There's a good video over at AdoredTV about these cards, leaks suggest that Nvidia are going to deliberately split the market into RTX and GTX cards, and nobbling the GTX cards at either a driver or hardware level to mean that you'll have be dropping $500+ on an RTX card to get the ray-tracing functionality.

Looks like it'll be the preserve of the wealthy for a little while to come.

Also note that the realtime demos seen so far are using some pretty exotic hardware configurations.





I believe the next-gen consoles are already locked down to AMD CPUs and GPUs, basically the same as XBox One/PS4 but a generation along. (i.e. Using the Zen architecture CPUs that are currently in the PC desktop space.)

This ray-tracing stuff is an Nvidia gig.

I asked the exact same thing on a tech forum the other day. Apparently AMD do not have a way to do hardware ray tracing, so I would say it is doubtful.

AMD will be using Vulkan for their RT.

It's probably also worth noting that even though RT is apparently about to become a thing, the hardware to do a fully RT game is likely many years off.

Just looks like the new carrot to me. Well, at the moment any way. There is one game coming that apparently uses some RT (and it's on things like lamps and etc) and according to the devs it absolutely cooks GPUs. I'm talking about the new Metro game. Other than that? nothing much else even in dev yet.

I would imagine early RT will be like early DX11 (where it was just a few very minor effects and lighting).

Edit. More on AMD's RT.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12552/am ... rofiler-12

Also. From what I recall the "hardware" used on Nvidia to do RT is the "Tensor Cores" on Volta. I don't know if Turing, Ampere or whatever Nvidia are calling it this week even has those cores.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_di ... _tracing/1

Apparently it does have the Tensor cores on it. Well colour me surprised, I really thought they would drag that out until the next Ti card.

Good job you're fully into consoles now and don't have to worry about PC hardware anymore.

Yeah, and consoles are much more reliable too. You never have to wipe them and re-install everything.

Yes, but also no. The Porsche demo video was running on two Quadro RTX cards (I can't find out which ones, the top one cost $10k...) The Star Wars demo from E3 was done on (IIRC) 4x Titans. But that same Star Wars demo can now be done on a single Quadro RTX, so there's a very significant performance boost from this new RTX engine. Of course these Quadro cards are aimed at digital artists and designers.

We won't know anything meaningful for us until we see the 2070 and 2080 unveiling and find out what they are capable of. It seems unlikely anyone is going to be releasing fully ray-traced games anytime soon. The question is then: how successful will Nvidia be at creating a hybrid raytraced/rastered image pipeline (this was explicitly discussed yesterday as a goal), and then encouraging games developers to adopt it?

This is wrong, as your own posted link shows:

I'm not waiting 52+ years to find out more about ray tracing cards!

This is a software API. It's not remotely the same thing as Nvidia's announcement of a new hardware capability.

DX12 has ray tracing API, so maybe it's not too far away.

NVidia were talking about a hybrid mode, with some traditional rasterisation and then some added ray-tracing elements. Using that API. That seems more likely in the near term, to me, as the Quadro cards demoed yesterday have a huge, expensive core that probably won’t scale down to mass market consumer cards. My guess is the 2080 and 2070 cards won’t be the same Turing core.

What I am unsure of is whether they really are "Ray Tracing corez l337" etc or whether they are simply tensor cores, given a fancy name to get people excited. IE - are they really truly proper ray tracing cores or, for example, the DP that Nvidia disabled on Maxwell?