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What's the reason for the switch back to PCs? Gaming

Apple binned off Aperture, which ended my lock-in with OS X. Then my iMac died, leaving me with only an ailing PC as my single computer, which won’t do. I don’t know how much gaming will happen — I expect to still use the PS4 for that, mostly — but being able to finally play through XCOM 2 will be nice.


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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People shut down their PCs?

Why leave it running overnight (if you're not downloading something or serving content up)?

PCs are (should be) busy overnight. Downloading updates, virus scanning, etc.

Mine barely ever gets turned off.


If your pc is genuinely busy all night installing updates then I'd suggest there's something wrong with it. And what about the other shitload of hours a day when you're at work or eating or just not using it?


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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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Bamba wrote:
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People shut down their PCs?

Why leave it running overnight (if you're not downloading something or serving content up)?

PCs are (should be) busy overnight. Downloading updates, virus scanning, etc.
Mine barely ever gets turned off.

If your pc is genuinely busy all night installing updates then I'd suggest there's something wrong with it. And what about the other shitload of hours a day when you're at work or eating or just not using it?

Mr Chris uses it to watch movies.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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Grim... wrote:
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Grim... wrote:
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People shut down their PCs?

Why leave it running overnight (if you're not downloading something or serving content up)?

PCs are (should be) busy overnight. Downloading updates, virus scanning, etc.
Mine barely ever gets turned off.

If your pc is genuinely busy all night installing updates then I'd suggest there's something wrong with it. And what about the other shitload of hours a day when you're at work or eating or just not using it?

Mr Chris uses it to watch movies.


To be fair, I did say in my original response "if you're not serving up content" because that obviously an always on scenario.


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I never turned it off while that was on a separate server either, though.

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Bamba wrote:
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Bamba wrote:
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People shut down their PCs?

Why leave it running overnight (if you're not downloading something or serving content up)?

PCs are (should be) busy overnight. Downloading updates, virus scanning, etc.

Mine barely ever gets turned off.


If your pc is genuinely busy all night installing updates then I'd suggest there's something wrong with it. And what about the other shitload of hours a day when you're at work or eating or just not using it?


That is the only time I will ever leave my PCs running unattended. When basically I've put off all of the updates and leave them until I shut down.

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Bamba wrote:
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Bamba wrote:
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People shut down their PCs?

Why leave it running overnight (if you're not downloading something or serving content up)?

PCs are (should be) busy overnight. Downloading updates, virus scanning, etc.

Mine barely ever gets turned off.


If your pc is genuinely busy all night installing updates then I'd suggest there's something wrong with it. And what about the other shitload of hours a day when you're at work or eating or just not using it?


You can set them to use low power over night. I don't turn mine off, as it does updates and AV checks.

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Why is it that PC motherboards never seem to include WiFi and Bluetooth chipsets any more?

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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Why is it that PC motherboards never seem to include WiFi and Bluetooth chipsets any more?

They do if you spend more.


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Why is it that PC motherboards never seem to include WiFi and Bluetooth chipsets any more?

Did they ever? I've seen plenty with add in Wifi but not onboard. Even laptops tend to have them as an add on through mini pci or similar.


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Why is it that PC motherboards never seem to include WiFi and Bluetooth chipsets any more?

They do if you spend more.

I was looking for one a few months ago and couldn't find one - although of course that might just be because most listings on places like Amazon are terrible at actually listing the motherboard's features, and they never include things like that in "refine your search" filters.

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You can get WIFI on a lot of boards but you will pay a chunk extra for it. Bluetooth is quite uncommon though.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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You can get WIFI on a lot of boards but you will pay a chunk extra for it. Bluetooth is quite uncommon though


Would you not just get a Bluetooth USB dongle? I bought one in 2013 to use WII controllers with the Dolphin emulator, its still working fine today.

They cost £6 on Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/EkoBuy%C2%AE-B ... 0V31DDAEH6

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You can get WIFI on a lot of boards but you will pay a chunk extra for it. Bluetooth is quite uncommon though


Would you not just get a Bluetooth USB dongle? I bought one in 2013 to use WII controllers with the Dolphin emulator, its still working fine today.

They cost £6 on Amazon https://www.amazon.co.uk/EkoBuy%C2%AE-B ... 0V31DDAEH6

This example is gold plated so will be even better :)


I have a couple of cheap dongles. Like, £4-£7 cheap. They are fine for controllers and so on but for audio they *suck*. Stuttering, stopping etc. I would look into something a lot better if you are sending sound :)

Oh yeah, my Aquacomputer Poweradjust and Splitty 9 are now one. Made a host board and shortened the link cable from 70cm to 4cm. Braided a molex to power it up, too.

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 Post subject: Re: PC gaming hardware thread.
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Yep, I have a bluetooth dongle on my main PC (and I don't use wifi on it anyway) but it uses up a USB port which is frankly unnecessary, when as far as I can tell there's no justifiable reason not to have it built into the mainboard.

If I can buy a wifi dongle for £5 and a bluetooth dongle for £5, logically it must cost a fraction of that to stick it into the mainboard.

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Yep, I have a bluetooth dongle on my main PC (and I don't use wifi on it anyway) but it uses up a USB port which is frankly unnecessary, when as far as I can tell there's no justifiable reason not to have it built into the mainboard.

If I can buy a wifi dongle for £5 and a bluetooth dongle for £5, logically it must cost a fraction of that to stick it into the mainboard.


I don't know if there's something odd about the case that HP used for my PC, but with PCI and USB Wi-Fi adaptors, I'd never get a good enough signal just to reach downstairs. How I ended up working around the problem was to use a USB extension cable with a Wi-Fi adaptor on the end and trail the cable well away from the PC. Looks stupid, but the connection has been solid ever since.

(Not all that relevant to your point, but I'm killing time before lunch :) )

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PC cases are Faraday cages full of EM interference, and Bluetooth signals are weak as piss. I could believe it’s a pain to engineer an internal antenna that isn’t frustratingly unreliable.


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PC cases are Faraday cages full of EM interference, and Bluetooth signals are weak as piss. I could believe it’s a pain to engineer an internal antenna that isn’t frustratingly unreliable.

Yeah, makes sense I guess - although I'd have figured laptop cases would be similar. Guess they're thinner, though.

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GazChap wrote:
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PC cases are Faraday cages full of EM interference, and Bluetooth signals are weak as piss. I could believe it’s a pain to engineer an internal antenna that isn’t frustratingly unreliable.

Yeah, makes sense I guess - although I'd have figured laptop cases would be similar. Guess they're thinner, though.

Laptop cases use 'external' antennas


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They're also typically much more constrained on availability of USB ports for dongles

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I think that ought to do it. I should be able to see my GPU WB now ;)

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I like how the frame goes 3D when viewed from certain angles. I wasn't expecting that tbh.

Just to show how much aggro the bottom frame was to make.

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The Scan PC made it to my office on Wednesday after 10 days being fixed and tested. It was brought down by my reseller who was coming over to work on a system he is doing for me. I was busy so hardly had time to speak to him and he left before my run of meetings finished

At 4 pm we decided to open it, it was in 2 boxes and the outer one had tape on with “this way up” arrows. We respected the arrow direction provided and carefully cut the boxes away until we revealed the PC which we then lifted out.

Next job was to remove all the bubble wrap Scan had put inside the PC, there was a piece of A4 on the side of the PC advising us not to turn it on until we finished doing this.

20 seconds into this I felt water on some of the bubble wrap, so we carried on and then noticed the SLI Bridge was off and broken. Once all the bubble wrap was off we could see liquid on the main tank of the cooling system, nowhere near as much as last time though.

So, we get back to Scan who tell us to take pictures and that they will arrange yet another collection.

It was during the picture taking that I noticed that the PC which had been lifted out of the box had been packed 90 degrees clockwise the wrong way. (So the front was the top and the back was on the bottom. )

Not really sure if this how it should have shipped and we asked Scan if we should repack it this way or pack it in the position that you expect when in use, no reply on this point.

So hopefully 3rd time is the charm, luckily there has been some delay in getting furniture for the area this is going into so nobody cares about the delay.

I would tell Scan where to stick it, but I’m struggling to find anywhere that does systems as nice as this. Putting aside their screw-ups, it’s a really nice PC.


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All done with my build. Mostly went smoothly, some messing about with the Windows licence. Twitter thread here for people who’d like to see pictures: https://twitter.com/PenLlawen/status/951524474511413248




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If memory serves you can use a Windows 7 key to activate Windows 10. You don't need to install 7 and then update it.

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By now if a Windows <10 key hasn't already been used to upgrade to 10 that won't work. But maybe I misunderstand.


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By now if a Windows <10 key hasn't already been used to upgrade to 10 that won't work. But maybe I misunderstand.

I believe that is true, now (it wasn’t previously.) I’ve resolved the issue now, anyway, and have a fresh W10 install with my old Win7 retail key.


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