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Dimrill · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 14:52

Meems, at least you've got ammo for an awesome needle review.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25631

Dimrill wrote:

Meems, at least you've got ammo for an awesome needle review.

I do... I started writing it last night - it was one of teh reasons that I asked folks here if it what I was experiencing was possible :kiss:

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25631

kalmar wrote:

Question: What is the state of the art in knitting machines?
My mum had one and would occasionally knit us 70s-patterned jumpers and the like.

I once tried to see how to add a motor and connect it to my C64 but it was too complicated.

Surely, in these modern times... ?

I do not think the technology has moved on very much, from what I understand. i think you can now get ones that are digitally programmable, rather than relying on punch cards, but I think teh mehasminsm is still pretty much teh same.

To be fair I have never had the opportunity to try one, though Craig will swear that I once owned one, this is only in his imagination.

kalmar · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 15:19

Great, now I want to make an internet-controlled, interactive Web2.0 knitting machine with live telemetry.

First project: Longcat.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

kalmar wrote:

Great, now I want to make an internet-controlled, interactive Web2.0 knitting machine with live telemetry.

And I want to watch you do it!

Zardoz · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 15:32

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

And I want to watch you do it!

Dirty

TheAlbin0Kid · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 15:35

Mimi wrote:

I do not think the technology has moved on very much, from what I understand. i think you can now get ones that are digitally programmable, rather than relying on punch cards, but I think teh mehasminsm is still pretty much teh same.

I love the way all the drunken typos were condensed into one word

Wullie · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 6183

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

kalmar wrote:

I once tried to see how to add a motor and connect it to my C64 but it was too complicated.

Homebrew CNC knitting machine? If you can incorporate some sort of lathe, I'm in.

Ooh! Can we power it by steam to make it even more awesome/manly?

sdg · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 15:39

WullieOoster wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

kalmar wrote:

I once tried to see how to add a motor and connect it to my C64 but it was too complicated.

Homebrew CNC knitting machine? If you can incorporate some sort of lathe, I'm in.

Ooh! Can we power it by steam to make it even more awesome/manly?

I do CNC ( a wee bit). Why is everything that I do manly?

Malabelm · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 15:43

superdupergill wrote:

Why is everything that I do manly?

'cause Jen's the girl?

sdg · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 15:54

Malabar Front wrote:

superdupergill wrote:

Why is everything that I do manly?

'cause Jen's the girl?

Yeah, probably. :hat:

Wullie · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 6183

superdupergill wrote:

Why is everything that I do manly?

I blame your beard

sdg · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 16:11

WullieOoster wrote:

superdupergill wrote:

Why is everything that I do manly?

I blame your beard

Don't you start! People are actually going to start thinking I have a hairy face if you keep that up. :ninja:

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25631

kalmar wrote:

Great, now I want to make an internet-controlled, interactive Web2.0 knitting machine with live telemetry.

First project: Longcat.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11844

Mimi wrote:

Dimrill wrote:

Meems, at least you've got ammo for an awesome needle review.

I do... I started writing it last night - it was one of teh reasons that I asked folks here if it what I was experiencing was possible :kiss:

Be careful what you say in the review. If it factually incorrect/unprovable and the manufacturers view it as impacting on sales, then they could get arsey.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25631

I won't give anything as fact, but I'll say that I found them uncomfortable. I don't dislike the needles, but I'll say that they're not quite the thing for me.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 16:42

Tell them it's like knitting with jackhammers.

kalmar · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 17:13

Mimi wrote:

kalmar wrote:

Great, now I want to make an internet-controlled, interactive Web2.0 knitting machine with live telemetry.

First project: Longcat.

Also: mehasminsm

@Gill, you mean that's not you in those BBBC photos?

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

How strange. I can't really read all the thread at the minute but I guess it is something to do with resonant frequencies or some gubbins. I'm sure the brainos have thought it all out anyhows.

In a strange way reminds me of cotton wool balls. Touching those things messes me the fuck up. No idea why.

Cavey · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 17:52

Mimi wrote:

I do think I will do as Cavey says though - I do have other needle tips which I can use, and as I tried it again today to see if it still happened I don't think it is worth pursuing when I do have other needle options available.

I'd say that was the safest option Mimi, especially as you have mild Raynaud's symptoms anyway, which as Doc says will almost certainly increase your personal susceptibility to VWF.

In terms of the true source of the vibration, I guess it's also possible that the particular grip/needle combo could be setting off a, actual tremor in your hand whose 'natural frequency' happens to closely match a key resonant frequency/mode of the needle(s) as you're holding them, thereby amplifying the apparent vibration still further. In other words, the true vibration source may not actually be wholly - or even partially - due to any mechanism directly associated with the needles/knitting operation per se, but more to do with posture, grip and stiffness of the needles. :nerd:

Quote:

Also going to edit to say Hi to Cavey, who has been absent :kiss:

Nice to see you :munkeh:

Thanks sweetie, I'm glad I was of some help, hi to you as well.

myp · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 17:53

Dr Lave wrote:

In a strange way reminds me of cotton wool balls. Touching those things messes me the fuck up. No idea why.

Biting into towels does the same for me.

Cavey · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 18:02

superdupergill wrote:

Hiya! I just wanted to say, I think that reading Mimi's post the assumption was that the vibrations couldn't be that strong and so when you suggested White Finger people perhaps thought that seemed a bit over the top. I have to admit I thought it seemed a bit excessive as well since I work with power tools- I think in this instance a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I know that even using a pretty heavy drill for a short period I don't experience any side effects and so I dismiss the idea that such light vibrations as those recieved from a knitting needle could cause side effects.
Obviously though in this instance your knowledge in that particular field is more complete than ours. You also seem to have been checking the forum but not commenting recently to avoid any confrontations and so perhaps that subconciously when reading posts in response to you, you were already preparing yourself for a disagreement. Therefore when people expressed disbelief at you suggesting what sounded to most people who have knowledge of white finger (but not the extensive knowledge you seem to have) as an over the top solution, you were perhaps on the defensive where normally you would have explained your reasons as you then went on to do.
I hope you realise no one was having I go ( I don't think), I think you make our discussions more interesting since otherwise it can sometimes be a bunch of people expressing the same opinion but using different words

Hiya Gill

Thanks for your kind comments; I don't claim to be a true expert in matters of VWF (as most especially medical aspects of it), but I've done a fair few HAV assessments at the front end, plus the subsequent calcs, analysis and reporting to the extent of simply quantifying exposure and mean risk.

Thanks also for your very kind closing comments. Although there are many lovely people here, yourself among them, and doubtless I don't do myself many favours at times either, but I don't think a return would be either very wise or welcome. I just thought that this particular matter warranted special attention; for my part I am very pleased and appreciative of the outcome. Take care.

Cavey

TheAlbin0Kid · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 18:24

myp wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

In a strange way reminds me of cotton wool balls. Touching those things messes me the fuck up. No idea why.

Biting into towels does the same for me.

Rubbing my elbows against polystyrene does the same for me.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

myp wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

In a strange way reminds me of cotton wool balls. Touching those things messes me the fuck up. No idea why.

Biting into towels does the same for me.

Best stick to pillows then myps. [/Zardoz]

Wullie · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 6183

kalmar wrote:

@Gill, you mean that's not you in those BBBC photos?

Well, I've never seen Gill or Owen at the same time. :?:

myp wrote:

Biting into towels pillows does the same for me.

FTFY.

Edit: >:(

Zardoz · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 19:39

markg wrote:

myp wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

In a strange way reminds me of cotton wool balls. Touching those things messes me the fuck up. No idea why.

Biting into towels does the same for me.

Best stick to pillows then myps. [/Zardoz]

Exactly.

kalmar · **Posted:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 19:42

See you next time Cavey!

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

Oi! Myp, Grim... stop stealing my best joke.

Nemmie · **Joined:** 13th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 1643

I still say I was right apart from typing sacks when I meant sacs. There are two of them and I would not be able to say which one was resonating with the needles.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:34

Joans wrote:

Oi! Myp, Grim... stop stealing my best joke.

Think of it more as a tribute.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

myp wrote:

Joans wrote:

Oi! Myp, Grim... stop stealing my best joke.

Think of it more as a tribute.

Well it certainly wasn't the greatest joke in the world.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:43

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:45

parm wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Where are you from parm?

UGVM, I think? Am I right?

You are right, indeed. Been meaning to wander of here for a while to see what's going on. Apparently, it's knitting, and science. Which seems ok.

Parm me son how're you old cheese :DD

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25631

DBSnappa wrote:

Parm me son how're you old cheese :DD

Sacked.

DBSnappa · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:52

Mimi wrote:

DBSnappa wrote:

Parm me son how're you old cheese :DD

Sacked.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Zardoz wrote:

myp wrote:

No, it's been really peaceful for the last month or so.

Since Mr Chris fucked off and did us all a favor :attitude:

Cheers, baldy.

It's "favour", by the way, you illiterate northern peasant.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Mmm. Flavour.

kalmar · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 14:53

DBSnappa wrote:

parm wrote:

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Where are you from parm?

UGVM, I think? Am I right?

You are right, indeed. Been meaning to wander of here for a while to see what's going on. Apparently, it's knitting, and science. Which seems ok.

Parm me son how're you old cheese :DD

This sort of thing is starting to grate, it's really getting a bit stale now.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 14:55

I'm trying to think up a good cheese pun, just so I can get a pizza de action.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 15:02

Mr Chris wrote:

It's "favour", by the way, you illiterate northern peasant.

Great to have you back, mee owld choyna.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Zardoz wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

It's "favour", by the way, you illiterate northern peasant.

Great to have you back, mee owld choyna.

*narrows eyes*

Good to see the forum has been back on spat-form while I've been on haitus, mind.

myp · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 15:07

Mr Chris wrote:

Good to see the forum has been back on spat-form while I've been on haitus, mind.

I didn't realise you had a website.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Mr Chris wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

It's "favour", by the way, you illiterate northern peasant.

Great to have you back, mee owld choyna.

*narrows eyes*

Good to see the forum has been back on spat-form while I've been on haitus, mind.

"Hiatus", you illiterate South-Western pleb.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Craster wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

It's "favour", by the way, you illiterate northern peasant.

Great to have you back, mee owld choyna.

*narrows eyes*

Good to see the forum has been back on spat-form while I've been on haitus, mind.

"Hiatus", you illiterate South-Western pleb.

No, I said what I meant.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Smock!

kalmar · **Posted:** Wed Sep 30, 2009 15:12

He haits us.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

kalmar wrote:

He haits us.

No, I wub you. It's just I wub you so much it's gone out the other end into hait. Hake. Mmmm. Fish.

Sir Taxalot · **Joined:** 5th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 4679

Mr Chris wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Mr Chris wrote:

It's "favour", by the way, you illiterate northern peasant.

Great to have you back, mee owld choyna.

*narrows eyes*

Good to see the forum has been back on spat-form while I've been on haikus, mind.

Mister Chris is gay,
This forum is full of dicks,
Let's go back to WOS.

:hat:

(I know that's not the technically correct pluralisation of haiku)

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Oooh, good poetry gives me goosebumps.

Mimi · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 25631

I was wondering if people (Cap'n Caveman, Doc G, Kalmar, Nemmie (oh, and Mali for suggesting lupus

) in particular) would mind me pulling a few lines out of their posts to put on my blog as various theories. I will thank ye all.

Also, to update you: I have been knitting with my usual wooden and nickel-plated needles, and they are both fine. I tried yesterday with the ones that were causing the trouble, and they are still causing the same issues. I also tried with some of the new acrylic needles but at a much larger (9mm) diameter. The flexibility is lost because of the thickness of the needle giving it greater sturdiness. They are just as grabby and friction still causes the stitches to stick, but the vibrations are not amplified by the flexibility of the needles, so whilst I still find them difficult to work with, they are not causing the same problems as the 3.5mm gauge needles.

Also, I would again like to thank you all for your help and for taking the time to think about this for me. It actually means a great deal to me. :luv:

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