I hadn't seen anything about this, saw this thread then thought yay! a sequel. Then realised it's PC only, wtf?
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
XCOM 2: £34.99 XCOM2 + Steam Controller bundle on Steam: £55.98 WELL THEN |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:47 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Ooof, plus £7 shipping. I still did it, obviously. |
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| Author: | Morte [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Counting down the minutes (123 and counting) until I can get home and try this... Unfortunately my colleagues have organised a "Cheerio Morte and good riddance' dinner for tomorrow night, which of course is lovely and everything but does put a dent in my all XCom 2 weekend. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 13:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
This will be a good litmus test for the Steam Link and Controller for me then, let's see if I can get on with it for the privilege of playing this on my lounge TV. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 13:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
I hadn't seen anything about this, saw this thread then thought yay! a sequel. Then realised it's PC only, wtf?
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 13:28 ] |
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MrChris wrote: I hadn't seen anything about this, saw this thread then thought yay! a sequel. Then realised it's PC only, wtf? That's hardly surprising for the initial release of an RTS game, chap. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 13:31 ] |
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Didn't the last one come out on 360 at the same time, though? |
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| Author: | Morte [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 13:37 ] |
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Yep...from what I understand the sales didn't warrant the work on developing a console version. |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 13:39 ] |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 13:44 ] |
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MrChris wrote: Didn't the last one come out on 360 at the same time, though? Came out on 360/PS3 on release day, and later shipped for Android/iOS. Which I think XCOM 2 will, in time. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 14:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Grim... wrote: MrChris wrote: I hadn't seen anything about this, saw this thread then thought yay! a sequel. Then realised it's PC only, wtf? That's hardly surprising for the initial release of an RTS game, chap. Wait, it's RTS? I have read nothing about it, and don't have a PC that can run it, but that would sadden me. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 14:07 ] |
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Curiosity wrote: Wait, it's RTS? No. Grim...'s an idiot. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 14:11 ] |
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It's TBS, as it has always been |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 14:30 ] |
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Oh yeah, of course it is. Doctor Glyndwr wrote: No. Grim...'s an idiot. iPad Pros can work monitors. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 15:07 ] |
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Cras wrote: It's TBS, as it has always been Good. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 15:36 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Obligatory "Your mum's turn-based." |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 16:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Quick performance report on my iMac (27", i7 3.4 GHz, 12 GB, Radeon 6970M w/1 GB): janky as fuck at 2560x1440; OK at 720p. Really ugly dither dissolve effect when you mouse over walls and the game removes them so you can see. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 17:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Yeah, first reports haven't been great performance wise, which is surprising given how smooth XCOM was. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 17:28 ] |
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The iMac has a stupidly weak GPU, so I don't mind the jank at silly-oh-res. But the dithering is awful. |
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| Author: | Pundabaya [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 17:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
No release on a proper games machine... I won't bother then. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 18:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
So, they've got Fred Dinenage explaining HOW2 strike from the shadows. Amazing: |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
This is fucking good. Setting up concealed ambushes is excellent fun. Perhaps unsurprisingly to some, I spend most of my time twatting aliens with swords. |
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| Author: | Morte [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 14:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
The Ranger is excellent..the only problem is when they rush toward an opponent, try to murderise them and all you hear is CLANG...oops it's armoured and I am screwed. Not sure about the timers though. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 16:09 ] |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 16:10 ] |
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Morte wrote: Not sure about the timers though. I'm rather hoping these will get modded out. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 16:11 ] |
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Hearthly wrote: Morte wrote: Not sure about the timers though. I'm rather hoping these will get modded out. I'm not having a problem with them. The current mission I'm on has a 12 round timer, for example. That's fucking forever. And half the maps don't have them at all. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 16:12 ] |
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Fucking love Singham. Where's the save file? |
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| Author: | Dr Lave [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 16:32 ] |
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This is fucking brilliant. Only had a couple of hours to play, but I've loved every second. Once again, they've distilled what makes boardgames good and made a wonderful one player experience out of it. Surprisingly good story too. Especially as so much of it is self created. Been playing this and watching X-files. It's 1994 all over again. |
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| Author: | Morte [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 16:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Hearthly wrote: Morte wrote: Not sure about the timers though. I'm rather hoping these will get modded out. Already done...there are a number of 'timer modifier' mods in the workshop. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 18:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Grim... wrote: Fucking love Singham. Where's the save file? Well, I exported him into a new character pool but I'm jiggered if I can find where OS X puts them. Sorry. You'll have to recreate him -- you can see the settings I used in the screenshot. Only takes a couple of minutes. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 18:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Hearthly wrote: Morte wrote: Not sure about the timers though. I'm rather hoping these will get modded out. I think you should keep an open mind and not have a knee-jerk reaction against them because they are different. They're clearly a key mechanic, and not one Firaxis have added lightly. |
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| Author: | Dr Lave [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 18:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Agreed. It's interesting in how it forces you to push. I have snipers who I position high on overwatch as my rangers dart forward. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 19:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
I am absolutely terrible at this, and despite my best efforts never seem able to set up a successful concealment ambush. I've had to drop difficulty down to Rookie - what the hell's happened to me? |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 20:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Hearthly wrote: Morte wrote: Not sure about the timers though. I'm rather hoping these will get modded out. I think you should keep an open mind and not have a knee-jerk reaction against them because they are different. They're clearly a key mechanic, and not one Firaxis have added lightly. I entirely take your point but it's hard to overstate how much I hate it when games force me forwards against my instincts and my preferred way of playing - I love taking my time and exploring everything and feeling as safe as possible, right from my very earliest experiences with the genre (and I'm going back to the Rebelstar/Laser Squad era on the ZX Spectrum here). I remember playing through the original Command & Conquer on PC and discovering that the AI was too dumb to blast its way through walls I built as it didn't see them as 'hostile', as long as all the AI's units were also out of range of my base/units, so if I left it no route whatsoever into my base it would simply amass a huge force on my 'wall border' and do nothing with them indefinitely, which gave me infinite time to prepare the perfect base and force to annihilate the would-be invaders with zero casualties, even if it took until 3am in the morning to complete a single level (which it did, and absolutely brought my 486 DX-2 to its knees as I don't think the game engine was designed to cope with so much 'stuff' being active at once). Same goes for all other RTS games and suchlike, I love to turtle down and do things on my own timetable, the levels I disliked the most in Dungeon Keeper 2 were the ones where I had aggressive dungeon breaches to deal with from very early on. (And the one single thing I'd identify as not liking about the Terran campaign on Starcraft 2 as opposed to the original, is the way Starcarft 2 is constantly nagging at you to 'GO HERE, DO THIS, TIME IS SHORT'.) I appreciate this is very much a case of 'me not liking the mechanic of a turn timer' (or similar) rather than there being anything inherently wrong with the mechanic, but it is a consideration for me when it comes to X-Com 2. That said, when I buy the game (which I will) I'll most likely try it as Firaxis intended it to be to start with, but equally likely mod it out when I remember I do indeed really not like turn timers 
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| Author: | Cras [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 21:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
I used to build a line of sandbags all the way to the enemy base and wall them in. Then build turrets in their base. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 22:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Hopefully someone will mod the aliens out for you, too. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Sun Feb 07, 2016 22:27 ] |
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The timers work well because they are entirely thematically consistent with the rest of XCOM. They require you to carefully gauge risk, and reward -- and then balance them against each other. It's just another layer on top of the eight or nine you are already juggling: you never have enough of anything to do everything, and this time around, even your time is (sometimes) constrained that way too. I used to play XCOM very cautiously. Move one AP only, set overwatch, repeat. When I returned to XCOM to play Enemy Within, the new Meld mechanic forced me outside my comfort zone, and that's entirely in the spirit of the game. You're supposed to sweat a little, and agonise over tiny decisions with huge consequences. Also the last mission I had had a 12-turn timer and I evac'd with 7 turns on the clock. One before that I finished on the very last turn, but only because I (deliberately) played it very safe at the end knowing I had time to reach the goal. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:50 ] |
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Rookie Bajirao Singham is "shaken" and has reduced Will. FFS XCOM, don't you know who this is? It's also made him a Specialist which is also rubbish. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:13 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Rookie Bajirao Singham is "shaken" and has reduced Will. FFS XCOM, don't you know who this is? It's also made him a Specialist which is also rubbish. Now he's losing his MIND! |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:50 ] |
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Curiosity wrote: Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Rookie Bajirao Singham is "shaken" and has reduced Will. FFS XCOM, don't you know who this is? It's also made him a Specialist which is also rubbish. Now he's losing his MIND! Why is there no head-poking gif for this? Someone that owns the DVD should fix that immediately. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Well, dropping difficulty down to Rookie has helped - although the complexity of the new Geoscape is going to take a bit of getting used to, seems like there's about three million different things I need to pay attention to this time around! |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
GazChap wrote: although the complexity of the new Geoscape is going to take a bit of getting used to, seems like there's about three million different things I need to pay attention to this time around! I think that's just unfamiliarity. Like, making contact with areas and building radio comms rooms is just like satellites in XCOM, but it took me a bit to realise that. (Also, my typical XCOM strategy is to rush satellites and I think I completely spannered that up this time.)Does anyone else think the Dark Events are a lot like the You Can Choose Which Terrible Thing Will Happen But At Least One Will card mechanism in the XCOM board game? |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
Yeah, they totally are. But then, they seem to have ramped up massively the "We're going to give you a variety of options. We're not going to lie, they're all shit and are basically just there to highlight how hard a job you're going to have stopping the aliens this time, but  The timed missions (the ones that don't end in instant failure) particularly. |
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| Author: | Morte [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
I quite like Kotaku's description of the game: “turn based grief simulator”. also the line in their review... Quote: ...you recently researched armor that will hopefully keep your low level troops from getting one-shotted by The Big Shapeshifting Assholes, The Robot Assholes, and The Assholes Who Can Fucking Teleport Are You Fucking Kidding Me. Codex Aliens are the effing worst (so far). |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 13:05 ] |
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i want to get this, but I have to finished the previous one... |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 13:51 ] |
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http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-bril ... player-745 Vice love the time limits |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 16:26 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Xcom UFO Defence |
MaliA wrote: http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-brilliant-new-strategy-game-xcom-2-turns-time-itself-against-the-player-745 Vice love the time limits I'm happy to be proven wrong in the fullness of time, but reading that piece (even though it was written in praise of the mechanic) - makes the whole 'hurry up' thing sound like something I'll really dislike. |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 16:34 ] |
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I'd concur. I generally don't like being rushed in games anything. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 16:43 ] |
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Title of your sex tape. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 16:44 ] |
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Play different games that don't have time limits 
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