Halo Wars has proved that RTS games can be successful on a console, but how much of that is down to IP and not the genre... although, there must be plenty of Warhammer nerds with 360s.

Halo Wars was bad, though. It took RTSs back about ten years.

Not sure that Halo wars was a real RTS.

There is no doubt that DoW has a lot of depth and wealth of options

It really doesn't. DoW1 did, but DoW2 is like a no-base-building RTS lite with a lot of RPG elements. It's more like Diablo than anything else. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

You were recently saying you hadn't turned on the old grey box in a while. Come back from your fling with the PS3 now, then?

Oooh, I'm gonna be re-joining this club in a few days! Has anyone played the PC version of Halo 2 with 'cheevs? Will it work on Windows 7? Is the Games for Windows Live thing good? I like the idea of contributing to my gamerscore on PC, instead of wasting my time on non-'cheev games and that.

edit: And where's DoW2 a tenner? It's 30 biff on Amazon still!

If you have a game (let's say GTAIV) on both PC and Xbox, are the cheevos combined, or do you get 2 sets of points?

That it was a GfWL game is what made me look at it in the first place. I have no complaints about it, although if you go looking round 'hardcore' PCists, they hate it and refuse to buy games with it. (Mr Coffey, for instance, has a distinct dislike for it.)

I can't help but feel that this has more to do with it being an XBox service than anything else, having seen the complaints. But for me, it was one of the selling points. (Not so much for the acheivements, the main thing is that while I'm playing, it's possible for people to send me a message getting me into an XBox game/For them playing XBox to see what I'm up to and come and join me.)



It was on Play. Not anymore. £20 there now.

If you have a game (let's say GTAIV) on both PC and Xbox, are the cheevos combined, or do you get 2 sets of points?

That's rubbish. There a big noticeable difference between 40 and 60. In fact, i find the 30fps that is the norm in consoles unplayable for action games. 60fps all the way for me, even if i have to play with quake 1-like graphics.

Mr Dave it looks like DOW2 is sold out on play...

Mr Dave it looks like DOW2 is sold out on play...

Paid £17 on Steam a couple of days ago.

Also if I remember right OR2006 was serious eye candy on the PC when cranked to full.

Yes, it is, actually. I wish more titles supported it.

Two sets! Some people do this with Jap/German versions of games, some of which have different achievement lists and are recognised as two different games. Like Gears 2 has a Jap version and a PAL/US version, so if you can easily max one out, they get the other version and max that out as well. Bloody nerds.

wasting my time on non-'cheev games

This forum is the bizarro version of all the rest of the internet.

Present your case, man! What's bad about GfWL?

Present your case, man! What's bad about GfWL?

My question its not what's bad, but what's good?. It's useless and i'd rather not have it. It's just makes games take more time to load.

Because games using it ONLY work with Microsoft 360 controllers for Windows*

Incorrect. Shadowrun supported mouse and keyboard. We are all playing DoW2 with mouse and keyboard.

It allows me to exchange messages with my Xbox friends while I am playing PC. It allows me to see that a network game of BF1943 has just started up, receive an invite to it, and decide to switch the PC off and go turn the 360 on so I can play. It allows me to have achievements tracking so I can brag to my mates about doing cool shit in games. It allows me to know when my friends have come online but are playing a different game, so I can invite them to this one (or go join them in their one).

Well, as for the rest, my friends don't play games. Well, they do, once in a while, but i doubt they buy games. But that's my problem, not gfwl problem, i concede that.

Mmm. There's a school of thought that puts the difference in playablilty down to reduced input latency in 60FPS rather than the increased graphical frame rate.

I always thought it was down to leaving headroom so if you hit a bit where it struggled you'd be able to lose a few frames before it became noticeable.

I think he might mean that if you want to use a joypad, it has to be an MS 360 one.

Oh and I decided to go for the hatrick and ordered Turok for £5.50 del. Last year's one like. Always had a soft spot for Turok games and totally forgot all about it.

So that's about £14 for 3 PC games. Orsum.

Yeah, I'll let someone else give you a fuller answer but the short one is that you don't need to spend anything like £600 on a PC to get one that will run the Sims 3. Mine cost £330 and runs Crysis no problem at all. Ask John Coffey to search out a deal for you, he seems quite good at that.