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Googling turns up some rumours. I suspect a DoW2 360 port was at least considered for a while, although we'd have it already if it was going to happen. I imagine their focus now is on expansions, given how many DoW1 had.

Not sure that Halo wars was a real RTS. It didn't seem to have the depth or wealth of options that to my mind a real RTS should have but then this was based on an hour or two around my mates house so I might be completely wrong.

There is no doubt that DoW has a lot of depth and wealth of options and also would need a beefy cpu to process everything in the more hectic parts. So I guess they would have to change the game to launch it on the 360 and they didn't want to compromise it. Might not be true but it works for me and even makes me smile a bit.

I've only played the demo, so I don't know. It sold pretty well, apparently, though.

In a lot of ways, I'd say the same about DoW2.
I think I still prefer the first one, especially for multiplayer (and the numbers playing suggest others agree with me).

It really doesn't. DoW1 did, but DoW2 is like a no-base-building RTS lite with a lot of RPG elements. It's more like Diablo than anything else. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

You keep making that comparison, but it's nothing like Diablo whatsoever. Direct individual command of a single character and control of fixed squads are very different. It's more like Alien Breed, to be honest.

Or Syndicate?

I don't have it, I was basing my opinion on a few reviews I have read when I thought about getting it. However I am a RTS fan and I can't imagine any of my all time faves (which most certainly do involve base building and micro management) working on a console but then I still remain unconvinced that you can play an FPS on a console properly either so I may be biased

Yes, or Syndicate indeed.

Yeah! I had a few PS3 titles to catch up on, like Killzone 2, etc. Now I'm back on the 360 most of the time - at least until Uncharted 2 which should keep my PS3 warm for a couple of days.

That it was a GfWL game is what made me look at it in the first place. I have no complaints about it, although if you go looking round 'hardcore' PCists, they hate it and refuse to buy games with it. (Mr Coffey, for instance, has a distinct dislike for it.)

I can't help but feel that this has more to do with it being an XBox service than anything else, having seen the complaints. But for me, it was one of the selling points. (Not so much for the acheivements, the main thing is that while I'm playing, it's possible for people to send me a message getting me into an XBox game/For them playing XBox to see what I'm up to and come and join me.)



It was on Play. Not anymore. £20 there now.

If you have a game (let's say GTAIV) on both PC and Xbox, are the cheevos combined, or do you get 2 sets of points?

Two sets of points. Fallout 3 and Shadowrun are examples.

I have no issues with GfWL it is quite goot to see when other folks are logging on

Mr Dave it looks like DOW2 is sold out on play...

Cheers Dave!

So yesterday I ordered Sega Rally Revo for the princely ammount of £3.85 delivered (first class) and today I got Outrun 2006 C2C which I already own as a copy for £4.45 delivered first class.

Thing was I bought ORC2C original for PS2 for $45 so really didn't want to shell out that again when the PC one came out.

Better make some room on me shelves lol. God I love PC gaming. Funny thing was any other version of the game started at £11.

Also if I remember right OR2006 was serious eye candy on the PC when cranked to full.

Two sets! Some people do this with Jap/German versions of games, some of which have different achievement lists and are recognised as two different games. Like Gears 2 has a Jap version and a PAL/US version, so if you can easily max one out, they get the other version and max that out as well. Bloody nerds.

Mmm. There's a school of thought that puts the difference in playablilty down to reduced input latency in 60FPS rather than the increased graphical frame rate.



It's saying it's in stock for me... just more expensive than it was a week ago.

Have a look in your nearest HMV. I picked it up for £15 last night, with the added bonus of not having to wait. I couldn't find it cheaper than £20 online, and none of them had stock left.

I bought it in Game for £15 aaagggeeesss ago.

Paid £17 on Steam a couple of days ago.

I tried to, but Steam doesn't like my debit card, and I don't have credit cards any more.

@Mr Dave

It says from 19.99 on play, which I presume is plays marketplace equivelant. Not acutally a direct play sale.

It certainly looks better than the PS2/Xbox versions due to the ability to have it render in higher resolutions (and with anti-aliasing IIRC) - though the shadow of your car always goes a bit weird whenever I've tried playing it on PC.

Steam accept Paypal who also happen accept any debit card known to man.

This forum is the bizarro version of all the rest of the internet.

Damn you Grim... Damn you.

Present your case, man! What's bad about GfWL?

I like Games for Windows. It is a good way to fight the pirates. People come from miles around to get down with the pirates. ROCK AND ROLL GAMES FOR LIVE! ROCK AND ROLL GAMES FOR LIVE! ROCK AND ROLL GAMES FOR LIVE! ROCK AND ROLL GAMES FOR LIVE! Rock over London, rock on Chicago. You can't get quicker than a quick fit fitter.

My question its not what's bad, but what's good?. It's useless and i'd rather not have it. It's just makes games take more time to load.

Dimrill, how come can GfWL fight piracy? It just makes me want to torrent the game so i can have a cracked version to bypass it.

That fact that it means you're 99% of the time guaranteed a shitty fucking console port.

Because games using it ONLY work with Microsoft 360 controllers for Windows*


* Yes I know how nice these pads are, but that's called a monopoly.

It allows me to exchange messages with my Xbox friends while I am playing PC. It allows me to see that a network game of BF1943 has just started up, receive an invite to it, and decide to switch the PC off and go turn the 360 on so I can play. It allows me to have achievements tracking so I can brag to my mates about doing cool shit in games. It allows me to know when my friends have come online but are playing a different game, so I can invite them to this one (or go join them in their one).

I don't know of any other way to do anything like this apart from the Steam friends system. What do you think of that?

Incorrect. Shadowrun supported mouse and keyboard. We are all playing DoW2 with mouse and keyboard.

I think he might mean that if you want to use a joypad, it has to be an MS 360 one.

Achievements are useless stupidity. They can be cool for arcade-like score chasing games. But for Fallout 3 and Oblivion? Or achievements that are about grinding and not skill? it just shows you don't have a life. How cool is that? .

Well, as for the rest, my friends don't play games. Well, they do, once in a while, but i doubt they buy games. But that's my problem, not gfwl problem, i concede that.

And that's why you see no value in the service. Take it from the rest of us, it's ace.

I always thought it was down to leaving headroom so if you hit a bit where it struggled you'd be able to lose a few frames before it became noticeable.

Also, it reminds me of "audiophiles" & all the pish that comes with them.

There's that too. All of these discussions should really be focussed on minimum framerate, not average.

I actually notice the difference with high frame rates but only with certain types of things. The RC sim I have never dips below 55 or 60 when using the photographic backgrounds when the model is the only 'real' object on screen. I hate it using the 3D environments, it just doesn't feel as nice even though the frame rate is still up in the 30s and 40s all the time. It just feels a bit wrong like the connection between the stick inputs and what's happening on screen is slightly broken. With most stuff though it's changing frame rates that seem to be the worst thing, I can seem to adjust to anything reasonable but if it's really quick and then dips down it kind of pulls me out of the game a bit.

Yup. So for example with Juiced 2 HIN I had to download a joypad to keyboard app. Then map my joypad as buttons. As you can imagine it didn't work so well and there was a lag. And certain games just don't really work on a keyboard or mouse.

Oh and I decided to go for the hatrick and ordered Turok for £5.50 del. Last year's one like. Always had a soft spot for Turok games and totally forgot all about it.

So that's about £14 for 3 PC games. Orsum.

Coulda, shoulda bought Left4Dead but I know you didn't want your arse handed to you on a platter every day.

Also Turok ewwwwwww

If I was to buy a middel of the road PC/laptop for about £600 and it had a pretty standard graphics card in it which isn't listed as one up to spec for the Sims 3, would it not play the game at all? Would I be better of just paying more for a better PC?

£600 is plenty for a gaming PC these days, it seems.

Yeah, I'll let someone else give you a fuller answer but the short one is that you don't need to spend anything like £600 on a PC to get one that will run the Sims 3. Mine cost £330 and runs Crysis no problem at all. Ask John Coffey to search out a deal for you, he seems quite good at that.

This.. I got the same rig as Mark... it is awesome, they now do a Nvidia version too..

First decide for sure if you want a laptop or desktop, Gill.

And if you'd prefer either a Nazi or non-Nazi supplier.

And never call it a 'rig', Gill, lest you want to lose all the respect I have for you.