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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 14:18 
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What's your beef with USB-C?


Nothing with the actual tech, it's clearly much better than its predecessor, I just don't have loads of USB-C cables and chargers lying around so I had to buy an extra cable so I'll have one at home and one at work.

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Five fucking authenticators to migrate over.

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Also USB-C, no wireless charging, and no headphone jack.

You missed out "and maybe no encryption".


Google, Microsoft, HSBC, Blizzard, Steam. (Neteller use the Google Authenticator, otherwise that'd be another one.)

No need for Chinese Hackers if I can't even encrypt the phone in the first place. Crafty!

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Can't you just use Authy?

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Five fucking authenticators to migrate over.

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Also USB-C, no wireless charging, and no headphone jack.

You missed out "and maybe no encryption".


Google, Microsoft, HSBC, Blizzard, Steam. (Neteller use the Google Authenticator, otherwise that'd be another one.)

No need for Chinese Hackers if I can't even encrypt the phone in the first place. Crafty!


You do know that you can use one authenticator to scan the barcode of most things even if they recommend a proprietary authenticator, right? E.g. I use the lastpass authenticator for all of the things you just mentioned except Blizzard whom I don't have an account with.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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:this: They're all based on a standard protocol (TOTP, pop-pickers!)

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I don't get that. So I can use 'Random App #25' written by 'Fred' and it'll generate codes that Google, Microsoft, Blizzard, Steam and HSBC will all accept?

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You can also put them into some password managers and get them to sync across devices. 1Password offers this, for example, and when I get around to it I'm going to move all my codegens there except probably my primary Google account one. Not sure if LastPass does the same.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I don't get that. So I can use 'Random App #25' written by 'Fred' and it'll generate codes that Google, Microsoft, Blizzard, Steam and HSBC will all accept?

Yes. The code generation algorithm is an open standard.


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Yep. Although the QR code that you scan contains the various keys that allow it to work, so I wouldn't trust an app that isn't from a well-respected brand.

All the protocol does is do some maths based around time, combined with the key, to generate a 6 digit number.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Can't you just use Authy?

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But what if something goes wrong with the one app you're using? Or an update breaks it, or it gets compromised?

Hasn't LastPass been hacked and/or had a serious vulnerability more than once?

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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So it seems the Google Now Launcher isn't a thing anymore :(

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It is, but it's part of the Pixel platform.


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So I can't have it on this phone?

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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So I can't have it on this phone?

Nope. Sorry. GNL was subsumed into Pixel Launcher and that is a Pixel exclusive feature. There are plenty of third party ones in the Play Store if you want to escape EMUI, of course: Nova and Evie are popular.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Awesome.

Thanks for the quick response there Doc, saves me banging my head against a brick wall trying to make something happen that's impossible.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Evie is my favourite of the third party launchers. Although with G6, I'm still using the stock launcher.

A general Android question though - is it possible to prevent the fingerprint sensor from unlocking the phone? There's an option to stop it locking, but not unlocking. From what I've read, the general answer seems to be 'remove all saved fingerprints', but that would remove the functionality altogether and I want to use it, but just for apps that support it.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I use Evie, big fan. Super simple.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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And I think it may have been devilman who recommended it to me. Thanks DM!


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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A general Android question though - is it possible to prevent the fingerprint sensor from unlocking the phone? There's an option to stop it locking, but not unlocking. From what I've read, the general answer seems to be 'remove all saved fingerprints', but that would remove the functionality altogether and I want to use it, but just for apps that support it.
No, it isn't, I'm pretty sure. Err -- why do you want that...?


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Without wanting to rain on your tech parade - couldn't you have just put one picture after the other?

Or taken them from a vaguely similar angle.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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A general Android question though - is it possible to prevent the fingerprint sensor from unlocking the phone? There's an option to stop it locking, but not unlocking. From what I've read, the general answer seems to be 'remove all saved fingerprints', but that would remove the functionality altogether and I want to use it, but just for apps that support it.
No, it isn't, I'm pretty sure. Err -- why do you want that...?


Sorry, I forgot to add that bit. Just carrying the phone around, the phone is often picking up other parts of my hand and thinks I'm trying to unlock the phone and vibrating away.

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Wow:


I wanted the full Chinese Hackers experience, which is why I went Huawei.

For the low upfront cost of £385 and then £35 per month over two years.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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What the shit?! I pay £23 PCM for mine with, I think, £50 up front.

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Looking on their website now I got some sort of epic deal.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I use Evie, big fan. Super simple.


I've got the default UI pretty much where I want it so I'll not faff any further.

SHIT THINGS -

The camera sticks out miles from the back so when the phone is resting on a flat surface and you prod it, it wobbles like a old oak table and makes an annoying noise as it clacks against the surface.

No wireless charging. (Yes I knew this before I got the phone, and I miss it already. My fucking Nexus 5 had fucking wireless charging in 1974.)

It's a bit too big but I'm getting used to it.

It has soft buttons on the screen for back/home/tray even though there is room on the body of the phone for it have physical soft buttons.

It's a bit heavy compared to the S7.

The notification LED is too small.

The amount of settings that phones have now is ridiculous.

The clock/weather widget on the home screen has stopped updating the weather already and just says 'No update', even if I tell it to update. It was working last night.

Overall I think it is a smartphone, just like smartphones have been smartphones for 5+ years now and aren't really getting any better.

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No, she explicitly said she didn't want a new phone. So we've had the contract renewal available for a little while now.

Because MT's pricing structure is so pernicious, it makes no sense NOT to get a handset on contract, as their SIM-only contract prices are stupid, and PAYG is for teenagers with all that 'topping up' bollocks which would be a downgrade for Mrs Hearthly if she had to do it.

I asked again if she at least wanted to go and have a look at the phones she could choose from, and she said no, she likes the phone she has. Also, she has small hands so the march towards larger smartphones has totally left her cold.

The only phone that'd really suit her from MT's books is the Sony Xperia XZ2 Compact, which is pretty much just an iteration of the phone she's already got (Xperia Z5). Also, she's spent quite a while getting her current phone exactly as she wants it, and doesn't want the hassle of switching to a different handset. (Having spent most of last night trying to get my new phone to effectively mirror what the S7 did, I can see her point.)

She's not into tech for tech's sake, she simply wants it to perform its functions correctly and without fuss, so 'new shinies' has no appeal to her whatsoever. (If anything quite the opposite, because things are inevitably a bit different and there's a learning curve and so on.)

So in the end I got the P20 Pro just 'because', really.

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physical soft buttons


Wut?


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Wut?


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So, just 'physical buttons' then.


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Physical soft buttons.

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Soft is short for software, in this instance. So that makes no sense.

It means they're on the screen and not physical. Oxymoron.

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The HUAWEI P20 PRO has an always-on screen, just like my S7 does.

What it DOESN'T do, is display notifications on the always-on screen, so whereas the S7 puts a little icon on the always-on screen when I have a Facebook message, or a WhatsApp message, or whatever - the £700 P20 Pro doesn't have this functionality at all.

Amazing scenes.

I wonder if the people who designed this thing have ever had a mobile phone before.

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Physical soft buttons.


The fact that the button is touch sensitive rather than 'clicky' doesn't make it a software button. There's still a bit of fixed hardware at the bottom of the screen that registers the press so it's a 'hard' button.


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I wonder if the people who designed this thing have ever had a mobile phone before.

Did you, like, not read any reviews before buying this gadget that cost more than my first car, or something?


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I wonder if the people who designed this thing have ever had a mobile phone before.

Did you, like, not read any reviews before buying this gadget that cost more than my first car, or something?


Reviews are for wimps!

Trousers gave the phone his HIGHEST RECOMMENDATION and I believed him so it's his fault really.

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The HUAWEI P20 PRO has an always-on screen, just like my S7 does.

What it DOESN'T do, is display notifications on the always-on screen, so whereas the S7 puts a little icon on the always-on screen when I have a Facebook message, or a WhatsApp message, or whatever - the £700 P20 Pro doesn't have this functionality at all.

Amazing scenes.

I wonder if the people who designed this thing have ever had a mobile phone before.

That it does.

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But what if something goes wrong with the one app you're using? Or an update breaks it, or it gets compromised?

Hasn't LastPass been hacked and/or had a serious vulnerability more than once?

LastPass itself hasn't been hacked. There have been a couple of issues where remote code execution would potentially be able to leak passwords from browser extensions but other password managers have had similar issues. Autofilling passwords/data (from any password manager) has also been called into question because it was theoretically possible to autofill hidden fields that the user wasn't aware of but you can turn this off. None of this is at all related to the auth code generation though.

I only mentioned LastPass because it's what I personally use. As you already have the Google authenticator you could use that, for example, for all of your other accounts.

I guess(?) there's a very small risk of an update breaking the app, but I have been using LastPass (and prior to that Google's authenticator) for as long as I can remember and never had an issue.

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So what you thinking hearthly? Samsung Gear? Pebble? Moto 360?


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Rather annoyingly I will have to get a Smart Watch now. Fucking Trousers.

What's the best one to get?

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Rather annoyingly I will have to get a Smart Watch now. Fucking Trousers.

What's the best one to get?

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Hmmm, I don't need anything fancy though, I just need something that's capable of replacing the functionality of an RGB LED and some always-on screen notification icons.

Trousers says he has a Moto 360 which works fine, apparently.

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Fuck me, smart watches are expensive.

FUCKING TROUSERS.

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