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Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:10 ]
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Bastards.

Why do Google hate the Isle of Man so much? 10,000 public views would have made my channel eligible for monetisation, now I have achieved those views I get told this.

NO JUSTICE.

(Not that I would have monetised the channel, I believe it would besmirch the CREATIVE PROCESS, and it'd only be worth about £1.67p per month anyway, but I guess it links into how we still only get the free Play Store on the IOM, and have to VPN to get the full store.)

EDIT - Any of these countries would be fine though, Zimbabwe, Oman, Guatemala, Azerbaijan.

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Author:  GazChap [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:31 ]
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Can you not just set your country on your account to the UK, or is it geolocating you?

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:41 ]
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Geolocating, which is why we have to use VPNs to get the full Play Store. (My ISP actually run their own VPN service as a freebie for all their customers, specifically for issues such as this.)

It's not even a problem really, as I wasn't going to monetise the channel anyway. It's more of a pain on YouTube as we sometimes get 'The uploader has not made this content available in your country' for some videos, as we're lumped into the 'Rest Of The World' category rather than a distinct country or part of the UK (and we're not part of the UK, so it's accurate in that regard).

So for example I get this trying to watch the latest Last Week Tonight video, so I have to VPN if I want to watch it.

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Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:17 ]
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Why is this in the Android thread?

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:25 ]
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Because it looks cool.

I dunno, Android is close to Google and Google is YouTube and there's a synergistic theme going on?

If anyone can be arsed please feel free to move the posts to the correct place. Although if we're going to start asking 'Why is Thing Y in Thread Z here at BEEX?', mods gonna be busy as fuck.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:27 ]
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Because I have to use a VPN on an Android device to watch some stuff on YouTube.

Author:  TheVision [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:28 ]
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What should be is the new GPD XD I ordered over Christmas. It came on Saturday and I've had a quick play with it so far and it seems to be a pretty competent machine. I've been playing some PSone games and Amiga games but it'll do much more.

I'll post more about it when I get to grips with it if anyone is interested?

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:30 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Because it looks cool.

I dunno, Android is close to Google and Google is YouTube and there's a synergistic theme going on?

If anyone can be arsed please feel free to move the posts to the correct place. Although if we're going to start asking 'Why is Thing Y in Thread Z here at BEEX?', mods gonna be busy as fuck.

Jesus. You're the one who freaks out when people don't use THE PROPER THREADZ

Author:  LewieP [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 14:19 ]
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Why is discussion of what is the proper thread to post things in clogging up the android thread?

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 14:25 ]
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LewieP wrote:
Why is discussion of what is the proper thread to post things in clogging up the android thread?

Meta.

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 14:25 ]
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TheVision wrote:
What should be is the new GPD XD I ordered over Christmas. It came on Saturday and I've had a quick play with it so far and it seems to be a pretty competent machine. I've been playing some PSone games and Amiga games but it'll do much more.

I'll post more about it when I get to grips with it if anyone is interested?

Yes please.

Author:  Kern [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 14:35 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
TheVision wrote:
What should be is the new GPD XD I ordered over Christmas. It came on Saturday and I've had a quick play with it so far and it seems to be a pretty competent machine. I've been playing some PSone games and Amiga games but it'll do much more.

I'll post more about it when I get to grips with it if anyone is interested?

Yes please.


This! It looks pretty neat.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 19:42 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
mods gonna be busy as fuck.

Ahahahahahahahahahah

Author:  myp [ Mon Jan 08, 2018 20:21 ]
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When are the elections again?

Author:  devilman [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 13:58 ]
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Decided to get a cheap spare Android phone to use for work. I'd initially looked at small tablets, as I'll mainly be using it for running apps, so didn't plan on needing a SIM, but the cheap tablets all seemed a bit naff, so I went with a Spark X phone instead. For £70, it seems pretty good so far, and it runs Nougat, which my main phone doesn't. Some really mixed reviews on there, but figured it was worth a go.

Author:  devilman [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 15:48 ]
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Although, I might need to buy a new charging stand, considering the location of the socket on the damn thing.

Author:  myp [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 16:07 ]
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That's... weird.

Author:  TheVision [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 18:09 ]
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I've just downloaded an APK file which I was going to use on my new handheld but it has installed fine on my phone through the ES file explorer. I didn't think a phone would install anything other than apps from the official Play store?

Author:  myp [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 18:10 ]
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It does if you turn the control settings off.

Author:  Cras [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 18:15 ]
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Yeah, there's a toggle in the security settings

Author:  BikNorton [ Fri Jan 12, 2018 18:52 ]
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Do I want to be the person to mention driveby malware?

Author:  devilman [ Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:50 ]
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devilman wrote:
Decided to get a cheap spare Android phone to use for work. I'd initially looked at small tablets, as I'll mainly be using it for running apps, so didn't plan on needing a SIM, but the cheap tablets all seemed a bit naff, so I went with a Spark X phone instead. For £70, it seems pretty good so far, and it runs Nougat, which my main phone doesn't. Some really mixed reviews on there, but figured it was worth a go.


Stupid charging port location aside, it's been a good phone so far. The launcher that it came with seemed to glitch occasionally, so I've switched to Nova and everything has been fine since then. I'm rather liking the default calling app too, Truecaller, with its lookups on numbers as they come in. This is how it displayed a call to me a few minutes ago from one of those "We can see you were recently in a car accident..." companies..

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Author:  Pundabaya [ Thu Jan 18, 2018 18:30 ]
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Oh yeah, I bought a One plus 5T. It's lovely.

Author:  devilman [ Sun Feb 11, 2018 16:55 ]
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devilman wrote:
devilman wrote:
Decided to get a cheap spare Android phone to use for work. I'd initially looked at small tablets, as I'll mainly be using it for running apps, so didn't plan on needing a SIM, but the cheap tablets all seemed a bit naff, so I went with a Spark X phone instead. For £70, it seems pretty good so far, and it runs Nougat, which my main phone doesn't. Some really mixed reviews on there, but figured it was worth a go.


Stupid charging port location aside, it's been a good phone so far. The launcher that it came with seemed to glitch occasionally, so I've switched to Nova and everything has been fine since then. I'm rather liking the default calling app too, Truecaller, with its lookups on numbers as they come in. This is how it displayed a call to me a few minutes ago from one of those "We can see you were recently in a car accident..." companies..

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And of course, now WileyFox have gone tits up. I guess an update to fix the occasionally flaky wireless is never going to come now. I might switch it to Lineage OS at some point.

Author:  Hearthly [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 15:57 ]
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So my contract is up for renewal in 6 weeks and as usual Manx Telecom sent me a letter inviting me to get a new phone early if I renew my contract with them now.

So at the end of last week I went into the MT shop and said 'Sir, one of your finest Google Pixel 2 phones please, I shall renew my contract now!' And he's like, 'Yeah sorry, we don't stock those'.

Basically they don't stock any of the pure Google phones these days as they are 'hard to get hold of'. I emphatically stated that I didn't want a branded Android phone again after enduring two years of Samsung's shenanigans with their shitty S7 updates. NO I DO NOT WANT TO USE FUCKING SAMSUNG CLOUD.

He said the new Nokia phones are quite 'pure' Android but I pointed out that even then I'd be dependent on Nokia for OS upgrades and I'm still sore about HTC abandoning the One X for Android updates before my contract was even up.

I said that without a Google phone option I'd be cancelling my contract, and due to the crazy way MT price their SIM-only tariffs, I'd go onto PAYG. (They want £25 per month for 10GB data on SIM-only, or £20 per month for 20GB of data on PAYG. He tried to point out all sorts of other advantages with SIM-only such as better call packages and I'm like, I hardly ever call anyone. I don't care about calls.)

Fair play to the chap he did call the product manager to see if there was any chance of them getting me a Pixel 2 to retain me on contract, but the answer came back as no.

So when my contract is up in 6 weeks I'll go down to PAYG, I might not even bother buying a new phone TBH, the S7 still works fine and it's not like phone tech has really moved on in the last two years. Seems daft to spend hundreds on a new phone. I'll just save the £15 per month.

Author:  DavPaz [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 16:42 ]
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To be fair, my pixel 2 is literally the only one I've ever seen :)

Author:  Hearthly [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 17:33 ]
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Fuck me, just had a look on the Google Store for Pixel 2 prices, £629 for the 64GB model, £729 for the 128GB model.

Case closed, I'll go to PAYG and stick with the S7.

Google seem to have lost their shit a bit after the midrange priced majesty that was the Nexus 5. (Which on balance, I think is still the best phone I've ever owned.)

I feel like that Billy Connolly recollection when he went into a store in New York and saw a carpet he liked, asked how much it was, and was told it cost $5000, and the impoverished Scottish welder in him just jumped out and screamed 'FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A FUCKING CARPET!'. Like, even though he could easily afford the carpet at that point, the ridiculousness of it costing that much amazed him.

I kind of feel the same way about smartphones now. I wonder what the markup is on the Pixel 2, are they working to the same obscene profit margins that Apple are now?

Author:  markg [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 18:12 ]
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Yep, I honestly don't see what people get out of expensive phones. I guess they just want to spend money on pointless crap but can't quite stretch to a gold fucking toilet seat.

Author:  LewieP [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 18:21 ]
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The new Nokia phones out soon are all on the Android One program, so they are pure android, Google makes the system updates (although the manufacture actually manage them, there's only a small delay compared to the Pixel line), and are guaranteed updates for two years after release. Closest thing to the Nexus line now that Google only do top end flagship phones.

Author:  Bamba [ Sun Mar 11, 2018 18:48 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Fuck me, just had a look on the Google Store for Pixel 2 prices, £629 for the 64GB model, £729 for the 128GB model.

Case closed, I'll go to PAYG and stick with the S7.

Google seem to have lost their shit a bit after the midrange priced majesty that was the Nexus 5. (Which on balance, I think is still the best phone I've ever owned.)

I feel like that Billy Connolly recollection when he went into a store in New York and saw a carpet he liked, asked how much it was, and was told it cost $5000, and the impoverished Scottish welder in him just jumped out and screamed 'FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A FUCKING CARPET!'. Like, even though he could easily afford the carpet at that point, the ridiculousness of it costing that much amazed him.

I kind of feel the same way about smartphones now. I wonder what the markup is on the Pixel 2, are they working to the same obscene profit margins that Apple are now?


The Play Store always charges ludicrous prices for the Pixel phones but Carphone Warehouse will sell you the 128GB model for £560 which is pretty reasonable for a flagship with the top end storage.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:45 ]
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Bamba wrote:
The Play Store always charges ludicrous prices for the Pixel phones but Carphone Warehouse will sell you the 128GB model for £560 which is pretty reasonable for a flagship with the top end storage.


That still sets my Billy Connolly Alert Light flashing.

I appreciate I've effectively been paying that much via the contract system, but there's something about that amount of cash upfront for a smartphone that I instinctively recoil from. Especially since, fundamentally, nothing that's out there now is any better than my S7.

I could build a new media centre PC with some reasonable gaming ability for that sort of cash.

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:50 ]
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Ah, but could you build a phone?

Author:  Mimi [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:57 ]
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You wouldn’t download a phone...

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:32 ]
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Mimi wrote:
You wouldn’t download a phone...

I would.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:36 ]
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And a policeman.

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:47 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
fundamentally, nothing that's out there now is any better than my S7.


There's your answer. A new S7

Author:  Bamba [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:53 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Bamba wrote:
The Play Store always charges ludicrous prices for the Pixel phones but Carphone Warehouse will sell you the 128GB model for £560 which is pretty reasonable for a flagship with the top end storage.


That still sets my Billy Connolly Alert Light flashing.

I appreciate I've effectively been paying that much via the contract system, but there's something about that amount of cash upfront for a smartphone that I instinctively recoil from. Especially since, fundamentally, nothing that's out there now is any better than my S7.

I could build a new media centre PC with some reasonable gaming ability for that sort of cash.


There's a good chance you've been paying more than that through your contract. If you're going to 'instinctively' recoil from something despite knowing the truth then there's probably not much anyone can do for you; you're making decisions (and moaning about stuff) based on weird factors at that point. Not that I expect this knowledge to stop you moaning about it mind.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:55 ]
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£560 is a huge amount of money to pay for a phone, I think is his point.

And he's not wrong. Rather than adding in animated emojis or making the screen curved I think people would be much happier if phone companies worked on bringing the price down.

Author:  Satsuma [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:57 ]
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People pay that for vacuum cleaners.

I have no point to make.

Oh except I’m the same with vacuum cleaners as he is with phones.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:58 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
People pay that for vacuum cleaners.

Do they pay that while putting the existing, perfectly-working vacuum cleaner back into its box and onto a shelf, though?

Author:  DavPaz [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:59 ]
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Absolutely. On reflection, I shouldn't have gone for the Pixel 2 on contract as it added a fair amount to my monthly bill. The problem was, the Nokia wasn't that much cheaper.

You are essentially getting a pretty nice laptop to carry around in your pocket though and £500 for a laptop isn't bad.

EDIT: this was a reply to the 'phones cost money' post

Author:  Bamba [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:40 ]
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Grim... wrote:
£560 is a huge amount of money to pay for a phone, I think is his point.


Except it's not. Is my point.

For such an incredibly capable device that sees so much use and fits in your pocket I don't think £560 is at all 'a huge amount'; certainly not relative to what he likely paid for his existing device on contract, and not even to flagship phones in general as they've been sitting around the £600 mark for years. If you want a new but cheaper phone then there's plenty of mid-range options in the Android space and there's always the choice to just keep your existing phone; no one's forcing you to upgrade after all.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:44 ]
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Bamba wrote:
There's a good chance you've been paying more than that through your contract. If you're going to 'instinctively' recoil from something despite knowing the truth then there's probably not much anyone can do for you; you're making decisions (and moaning about stuff) based on weird factors at that point. Not that I expect this knowledge to stop you moaning about it mind.


I've posted the sums previously in this thread somewhere, due to the way MT's pricing works, it ends up cost-neutral to either get a phone on contract, or go SIM-only and buy the phone outright (like, literally within a tenner either way last time I worked it out).

As such I haven't been paying any more for the phone by being on contract, but I have effectively paid full retail price, so I take your point in that regard.

The other factor in play now is I honestly think we've hit 'peak phone', and indeed have been there for a while. A mate got an iPhone X for Christmas and I've had a play around with it, it's very nice but it's still just a smartphone. Even he says he was completely happy with his old iPhone 6 Plus and doesn't feel the X is really that much different. (He didn't particularly want it, but his partner got it for him as a present.)

I look at other phones and don't really see that they do anything different/better than my S7. Certainly not £500+ better.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:45 ]
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Bamba wrote:
the choice to just keep your existing phone; no one's forcing you to upgrade after all.


Well yes, that's what I'm doing.

I still think £629 is silly money though, that's just gouging on the profit margin, since Huawei and the like appear to be able to kick out largely identical devices for half that.

Author:  MaliA [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:46 ]
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markg wrote:
Yep, I honestly don't see what people get out of expensive phones. I guess they just want to spend money on pointless crap but can't quite stretch to a gold fucking toilet seat.

Loathe as I am to justify purchases, I got the S7 Edge as the reviews said the s7 camera was The Best and if I didn't get the edge I would look at the s7 every day and wish I'd have gotten the Edge. It is a lovely piece of stuff. Then, the ephemeral nature of art (like the time the group I am with projected the 3 Little Pigs from a cottage over the road on to another one, and did the same with another but with a future house vibe) kicked in and it died and Samsung want £280 to fix. So I haven't yet bothered. The point is I guess that people are happy to pay a premium and it might be more affordable to some than others. For a device I used a lot, I loved it

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:50 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
£560 is a huge amount of money to pay for a phone, I think is his point.


Except it's not. Is my point.

I wish I were as rich as you.

Bamba wrote:
For such an incredibly capable device that sees so much use and fits in your pocket I don't think £560 is at all 'a huge amount'

"Flagship" phones are rarely much better than the midrange phones (or the low-end phones, depending on your metrics) - they all do basically the same thing. Phones have gotten far too expensive recently, but people seem to write it off because advertising has drummed it into their heads that this is okay.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:54 ]
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I'd be more than happy to get a mid range phone but the camera always seems to suffer too much compared with a flagship.

If my next phone could be mid range and have similar picture quality to my s7, I'd be all over it.

Author:  Bamba [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:57 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
£560 is a huge amount of money to pay for a phone, I think is his point.


Except it's not. Is my point.

I wish I were as rich as you.


I use my phone probably more than any other object in my life. It entertains me on journeys, it keeps me connected and informed, it's invaluable when navigating on holiday, it takes pictures of a hilariously high quality and gives me access to my music collection on the go. To me that's easily worth a few hundred quid every couple of years. If that value proposition doesn't work for you personally then, well, :shrug:.

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:57 ]
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Findus Fop wrote:
If my next phone could be mid range and have similar picture quality to my s7, I'd be all over it.

Your S7 has a similar picture quality to your S7, I suspect ;)

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:58 ]
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Bamba wrote:
I use my phone probably more than any other object in my life. It entertains me on journeys, it keeps me connected and informed, it's invaluable when navigating on holiday, it takes pictures of a hilariously high quality and gives me access to my music collection on the go. To me that's easily worth a few hundred quid every couple of years. If that value proposition doesn't work for you personally then, well, :shrug:.

I absolutely agree it's worth a few hundred quid every couple of years.

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