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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I guess I don't have a problem with them selling a phone at any price, although it is a shame that they no longer manufacture excellent £200-400 phones like they used to.


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I nearly got it right.

They've dropped that now anyway, implicitly admitting they are evil after all.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I guess I don't have a problem with them selling a phone at any price, although it is a shame that they no longer manufacture excellent £200-400 phones like they used to.


Indeed, the lack of a midrange device is more disappointing than the price of the top-end device.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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It's the top end Google phone

I think you mean "It's the only Google phone".

Somehow, it's already 25% of the way through it's lifecycle.

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why wouldn't they price it equivalent to the top end market leader?

Because, after owning four (I think) of them, I've come to the conclusion that Google really don't know how to make phones.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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It's the top end Google phone

I think you mean "It's the only Google phone".

Somehow, it's already 25% of the way through it's lifecycle.


Yeah, maybe I should have said "it's a top end spec phone".

Phone lifecycle is where the cost hits hard - but then most top end phones can be sold for around £200 by the time most people upgrade.

Unless your mate's wife nicks it ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I'm not convinced Do No Evil directly correlates to Sell Your Best Phone to Hearthly Cheaper.


Well it should.

I guess I'm just nostalgic for the Nexus 5, which was a midrange priced phone with a high-end feature set, processor, screen etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Unless your mate's wife nicks it ;)

You can have it back soon!

I'm just waiting on Google to say "Yeah, okay, we'll fix your 6P". It's taken them a week to type that so far, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I guess I'm just nostalgic for the Nexus 5, which was a midrange priced phone with a high-end feature set, processor, screen etc.

That was certainly their finest hour.

That one lasted the entire two-year contract before it stopped working!

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Unless your mate's wife nicks it ;)

You can have it back soon!

I'm just waiting on Google to say "Yeah, okay, we'll fix your 6P". It's taken them a week to type that so far, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Aw, I've already written to them today. I'll do that tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Change of plan.

Hearthly Jnr's old Moto-G V2 is very much end-of-life now, obviously it stopping getting Android updates about three centuries ago, the storage is all maxed out, it's slow and clonky, and we can't even install stuff like the Battle.net authenticator on it due to old OS. The battery is totally spannered as well.

As such I have renewed my contract and got a shiny new Sony Xperia XA2 for 'free', which she can have.

It won't even have a SIM card in it, she just uses her phone in the house on wifi as a mini-tablet, camera, email client, YouTube viewer and suchlike. She has a Google account and she loves the way her photos sync up to Drive so she can get to them straight away on her PC, for example.

The XA2 is a brand new phone and has reviewed pretty well, comes with 'Oreo' out of the box and has a very good camera on it by all accounts.

I'll see if I can get another two years out of the S7.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I'm curious why you'd give her the new phone rather than handing the S7 down?


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I'm curious why you'd give her the new phone rather than handing the S7 down?


I'm not sure the XA2 is necessarily any 'better' than the S7, and it'll be nice for Jnr to get something new as opposed to handed down.

Plus, the S7 has got all my authenticators on it and I've got it set up just the way I want it (well, apart from when Samsung decide to move things around or put extra shit on it), so I wouldn't much relish setting up a new phone anyway.

Apart from Samsung's shittery I think the S7 is a fantastic phone, if it lasts another two years I'll be more than happy to keep it for that long.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I'm curious why you'd give her the new phone rather than handing the S7 down?


I'm not sure the XA2 is necessarily any 'better' than the S7, and it'll be nice for Jnr to get something new as opposed to handed down.

Plus, the S7 has got all my authenticators on it and I've got it set up just the way I want it (well, apart from when Samsung decide to move things around or put extra shit on it), so I wouldn't much relish setting up a new phone anyway.

Apart from Samsung's shittery I think the S7 is a fantastic phone, if it lasts another two years I'll be more than happy to keep it for that long.


Fair enough, I had assumed the XA2 was a new flagship phone but now I actually look at the specs the S7 does beat it in most areas.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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The S7 will definitely last another two years if you keep it plugged in the whole time.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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The S7 will definitely last another two years if you keep it plugged in the whole time.


The battery is holding up OK to be fair, but yeah, not sure what state it'll be in after another two years.....


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Got the XA2 set up for Jnr last night, for all the world it feels like a high-end smartphone to me, the screen in particular is superb.

Sony have done an admirably 'light touch' job on Android, and there's also an option as part of the initial setup to choose what extra apps you want installing. I don't know if this is Google mandated now or a Sony thing, but it allowed me to simply deselect all the Sony apps so all that's on there is Google stuff.

Beyond that is was pretty much just a case of logging in with her Google account, letting the various updaters do their thing, making sure Drive/Photos/Camera/etc all had permission to what they needed, that Drive was backing up new photos OK and suchlike.

USB-C is good (it goes in either way, fnaaar), but we only have one USB-C cable in the house, the one that came with the phone.

We took a few test photos and the quality is excellent.

So yes, nothing thrilling, but as a £300 phone it makes the idea of a £600 phone pretty silly IMO.

Certainly if my S7 breaks in the next two years I'll be replacing it with something in the £250-£300 bracket.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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USB-C is good (it goes in either way, fnaaar), but we only have one USB-C cable in the house, the one that came with the phone.

If you buy a spare or two make sure they're built properly.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Hearthly wrote:
Sony have done an admirably 'light touch' job on Android, and there's also an option as part of the initial setup to choose what extra apps you want installing. I don't know if this is Google mandated now or a Sony thing, but it allowed me to simply deselect all the Sony apps so all that's on there is Google stuff.


Nah, my S8 is still as full of uninstallable Samsung shite as you'd expect.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Hats off to Sony then, for a manufacturer to basically say, 'We realise you might not want all our crap apps on your phone, here's an option not to install them' is quite splendid.


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Play has an ability now for OEMs to install a number of apps at first-run, rather than baking them into the ROM. Sony are probably using that and Samsung aren't.


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Hearthly wrote:
USB-C is good (it goes in either way, fnaaar), but we only have one USB-C cable in the house, the one that came with the phone.

If you buy a spare or two make sure they're built properly.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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There's been an update to my phone and now it seems that the notification bar is always present. I don't think it was there before?


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I can't think I've ever seen a version of Android that didn't show it all the time (except when something was running full screen).

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The Gmail app on my s7 recently stopped auto populating my frequently used contacts when I enter email addresses. It populates email addresses I haven't sent anything to for 10 years (e.g. an old work email address) but not that person's current address.

What's a good alternative to the Gmail app for email? It would need to handle three email accounts.


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Have you tried Inbox?


Cheers! Just given that a download and it looks good, though hampered by the fact I have one yahoo address. May be time to decommission that one any way, if there are no better options.


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The Gmail app on my s7 recently stopped auto populating my frequently used contacts when I enter email addresses. It populates email addresses I haven't sent anything to for 10 years (e.g. an old work email address) but not that person's current address.

What's a good alternative to the Gmail app for email? It would need to handle three email accounts.


A few months ago my S7 stopped doing autocomplete on URLs in Chrome. It happened completely randomly one day for no apparent reason, without me having changed any settings or anything.

It stayed like that for a couple of weeks, and then once again, with me changing nothing whatsoever, it started working again.

My Google Drive auto-backup still randomly breaks occasionally, which started happening ages ago after Samsung pushed one of their bollocks updates to it plugging their Samsung Cloud horseshit.


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Hnngh, for Boring Reasons it's proving hard to disband my yahoo address. Which is a pain as the sweep function on Inbox is ace.

Have been through Type App, Yahoo Mail and Outlook. Suspect I will end up with the latter if I can't get rid of my yahoo address/ add it to Inbox.


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Hnngh, for Boring Reasons it's proving hard to disband my yahoo address. Which is a pain as the sweep function on Inbox is ace.

Have been through Type App, Yahoo Mail and Outlook. Suspect I will end up with the latter if I can't get rid of my yahoo address/ add it to Inbox.


If you don't mind paying for an app, I use Maildroid Pro, which isn't cheap, but is on sale at the moment at £5.99.

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Hnngh, for Boring Reasons it's proving hard to disband my yahoo address. Which is a pain as the sweep function on Inbox is ace.

Have been through Type App, Yahoo Mail and Outlook. Suspect I will end up with the latter if I can't get rid of my yahoo address/ add it to Inbox.


If you don't mind paying for an app, I use Maildroid Pro, which isn't cheap, but is on sale at the moment at £5.99.


Cheers! It looks nice but I'm on outlook now, which seems fine at the mo. Provided it can bring one type of CRM email into the 'focused' inbox we should be good. Thank you for the recommendation though, will pick it up should I have further issues with utlok (typo, keeping it. The norse god of communication)


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After a few days, I'm impressed with Outlook on Android. Seems much snappier than the Gmail app and the "Focussed" inbox does a much better job of only showing me the emails that matter to me (i.e. not marketing guff). Would recommend it.


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As would I. The only problem I have with it is the calendar. I don't like the look of it as I find it difficult to see what I have in there at a glance.


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As would I. The only problem I have with it is the calendar. I don't like the look of it as I find it difficult to see what I have in there at a glance.


Definitely agree with that, I still use the Google Calendar app if I need to know what's going on.

There was no calendar functionality in the Gmail app (that I was aware of) so doesn't feel like a downgrade in that regard.


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This sounds relevant to Beex interests (and iOS-bearing Beexers too)

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I can't find it on the Play store :(

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Considering getting a new phone this year, all going well with house shit. Do I want a Pixel 2 or an S9?

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Considering getting a new phone this year, all going well with house shit. Do I want a Pixel 2 or an S9?


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What do you have now?

S6 edge

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Considering getting a new phone this year, all going well with house shit. Do I want a Pixel 2 or an S9?


Is a headphone socket or SD card slot a requirement?

No to both

I've looked at stats and specs for both and feel like it's much of a muchness :shrug: tempted to just flip a coin

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NB: the Exynos CPU in the S9 has bad power management issues at the moment:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12615/im ... -s9-part-1

That's what you get in UK S9s. Most US reviews are reviewing the Qualcomm one, which is different.


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Considering my current Google Support fun, I don't think I'll ever be buying a phone from them again. I started the "my battery is broken, sort it" process in September. Still waiting.

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