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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 17:23 
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No idea what it's called, but one of the features I like most is the one where you hold down the home button and Google scrapes the screen for actionable things like phone numbers, websites, that kind of thing. It's v useful.

You might be talking about Now On Tap, which has gone away, but the same functionality (better, actually) is in Assistant now.


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Or he might be talking about Assistant :)


It was Now on Tap! I remember the demo the young devs gave where they showed you how to learn about Skrillex while listening to Skrillex. This is a use-case I've never been required to explore.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Oh wow. That's rubbish. How did they miss that in testing?


Right? I can only imagine they used it a lot in testing, how would you not notice?

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Oh wow. That's rubbish. How did they miss that in testing?


Right? I can only imagine they used it a lot in testing, how would you not notice?

I can't repro this. Might be already fixed.


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I mean, it's not fixed until it's on my device ;)

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I mean, it's not fixed until it's on my device ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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The biggest problem with Android is idiots like Samsung thinking they can do anything better than Google do themselves.

My only complaint with my S7 is the Samsung crap it came pre-loaded with, including their shit UI (which I replaced with Google Now as soon as I realised that was a thing thanks to DocG's advice), and the changes they've made to it over the last 18 months in terms of their software 'updates'. Security/stability updates I'm fine with, but they've moved things around on menus, inserted plugs for their own cloud solution into bits of the UI, and stuff like that. (And it's one of their updates that's made the auto-upload to Drive flaky as well, and I've never got to the bottom of that.)

My chum who has an S8 is fuming with them because it has a physical button on the side that invokes Samsung's take on Google Assistant, which is obviously shit compared to the actual Google Assistant. You can't remap this button to do anything else. So someone wrote an app that lets you change what this button does (y'know, to something useful and not shit), so Samsung pushed an update to the phone that broke the app and put the button back to summoning their shit assistant.

I still think the Nexus 5 is the single best phone I've ever owned. My next phone will be a 'pure' Google phone.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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If you haven't already: Settings > User > Emergency information

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If you haven't already: Settings > User > Emergency information

It's different on Samsung. Apparently


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If you haven't already: Settings > User > Emergency information

Already done it, but yeah, it was somewhere else.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I like android quite a lot but here are a few of the things that I find a little jarring after switching from iOS over a year ago:

  • The menus are all over the place (sometimes it's within the app, using the '3 bars' button, other times I have to swipe in from the left side; other things are in the
    separate 'settings' app; widget settings are found by a long press on an empty space on a homescreen)
  • There are two news feeds (one is the 'cards' that appear on the Google Now page, the other is a separate 'news & weather' app. It's also easy to 'lose' a story I'm reading if I don't finish it in one go.
  • I kind of miss the 'badges' from iOS - I find it's easy to dismiss a notification (like a text from my mum) and then totally forget about it without that little on-screen prompt.
  • Crashes far more than I was used to with iOS (may be my Nexus 5X)
  • Volume of notifications received when listening to music are inconsistent

Things that I have really liked:
  • Good integration with the other google bits (mail, photos, drive etc)
  • Assistant is actually useful (I like barking 'take me home')
  • Small cards on homescreen (eg time to work/home from current location, traffic alerts, parcel dispatch, sport scores etc)
  • Customisability (I've got a little energy meter at the top of the screen, a few px wide that goes through various shades based on battery charge)
  • Customised homescreen elements
  • Waking the phone with 'OK google' seems modern
  • Ability to put remote control elements on the lock screen (eg to control my HTPC from the sofa)
  • Swiping on the fingerprint sensor to see the notification 'shade'
  • Warning of suspected spam calls when incoming

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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My last smart watch was pretty fronty, but this one is the Samsung Gear S3 Frontier.

Only major issue so far is that I can't get it to silence notifications on the phone when I'm wearing the watch. So I've disabled notifications completely and that seems to work. But it's a stupid solution as it means I won't get any notifications when not wearing it.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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My contract is due for renewal soon and I’ve decided that I’m going with the new Nokia 8.

It seems that I have an unintentional brand loyalty with Nokia going back to my N95 days so I thought I’d stick with Nokia. I don’t want an iPhone and my other choice, the upcoming Pixel 2 is rumoured to not have a headphone socket which is a deal breaker for me so.. it’s a Nokia 8 that I’ll go with. Hopefully I’ll be picking it up on the 7th October.

I haven’t owned an Android device for years so I’m looking forward to getting to grips with it. I’ve had a Windows Phone for a good few years now so it’ll be interesting to see what I’ve missed out on.

Oh, and I’m looking forward to posting plenty of “Bothie’s”… Yeah, a Bothie. The new Selfie according to Nokia.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Oh, and I’m looking forward to posting plenty of “Bothie’s”… Yeah, a Bothie. The new Selfie according to Nokia.

Or a small communal hut in the mountains of Scotland.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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I’ve had a Windows Phone for a good few years now so it’ll be interesting to see what I’ve missed out on.


Pretty much everything. HTH


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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On a more serious note, that new Nokia looks like a nice bit of kit so I'm sure you'll be happy with it. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Ugh, a bothie - is that because it has 'both of you' in the shot? I always thought that a 'selfie' was an arm-outstretched-style photo one takes of oneself, but now it seems that any picture of an individual is being labelled a selfie. Fucking kids, eh? >:(

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I’ve had a Windows Phone for a good few years now so it’ll be interesting to see what I’ve missed out on.


Pretty much everything. HTH


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Since updating to 'Oreo' at the weekend my wallpaper seems to keep changing every morning. There's probably a setting somewhere but I can't be bothered digging around. I'll just use google and search for how to find this setting instead.

Also, Opera somehow activated a 'lock screen news page setting' which I found most strange and was keen to deactivate. Not sure how it became enabled, as I only ever use Opera for looking at porn.

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Ugh, a bothie - is that because it has 'both of you' in the shot? I always thought that a 'selfie' was an arm-outstretched-style photo one takes of oneself, but now it seems that any picture of an individual is being labelled a selfie. Fucking kids, eh? >:(


It's video recorded from both front and rear cameras simultaneously. There's an example on here. Terrible name though.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Ugh, a bothie - is that because it has 'both of you' in the shot? I always thought that a 'selfie' was an arm-outstretched-style photo one takes of oneself, but now it seems that any picture of an individual is being labelled a selfie. Fucking kids, eh? >:(


It's video recorded from both front and rear cameras simultaneously. There's an example on here. Terrible name though.


Oh.

a ) that sounds shit
b ) I feel old

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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'Doubletake' would a better name. But what happened to the good old days of asking a passing stranger to take a photo of the two of you?


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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'Doubletake' would a better name. But what happened to the good old days of asking a passing stranger to take a photo of the two of you?

Handing a £4.99 film camera over is different to handing over a £1200 iPhone!


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I like to think I can spot someone who isn't going to be an opportunist thief. Or at least someone who can't run as fast as me.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Anyone who believes myp has made the switch to Android and isn't just a spy on the inside is fooling themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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Oreo is getting right on my tits. I have a few apps on both my devices that are running in the background permanently and which I'm perfectly happy with, so I don't need the constant notifications telling me about them. You can snooze the notifications for a couple of hours (which seems weirdly useless) but you can't permanently silence them. The whole thing seems really badly thought out.


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Haven't got Oreo, but on the Huawei I had, you could go into a list and allow certain apps to rub add background, after that it didn't tell you about them. I would like to hope a similar option existed here!

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
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The notification should be in the "by the way" section: it should be at the bottom of the notifications, it should only be a single line, and it shouldn't put an icon in the status bar. Is that not the case?

What apps are these? I don't have any apps that do this installed on this phone.


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The notification should be in the "by the way" section: it should be at the bottom of the notifications, it should only be a single line, and it shouldn't put an icon in the status bar. Is that not the case?


All of those things are true, it's still really annoying. A notification should be of something you actually want to be notified of. Something sitting permanently in there is not that. If I swipe the widow shade (or whatever we're calling it now) down I want to see stuff I should, or could, action. Again, something sitting there permanently is not that. It makes it busy and irritating and harder to tell at-a-glance what I should be dealing with and what is just utterly pointless noise. In my opinion, of course.

The apps in question, in case it matters, are Pebble, Three in Touch and Twilight.

Also, in the case of Twilight, the notification that it's running in the background isn't doing the single line thing. There maybe something I can do about that (tap it, swipe it, hold it down, go into the notification options and tap, swipe or hold down one of the greyed out options that's actually secretly reactive if you somehow already know it fucking is because of course) but I simply cannot be fucked playing around with this stuff any further.


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I can do a more constructive critique on this later when I can be bothered, but the entire Notifications settings app is a UX shitshow the like of which I've rarely seen.


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Note that Oreo changes the way background processing works, so there's a fair chance that what the app Devs have done is throw in a hack as a workaround for the changes.

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All of those things are true, it's still really annoying. A notification should be of something you actually want to be notified of.
Yes, and believe me, an app running a foreground service that is choosing down on your battery is something most people want to be notified of. This isn't supposition, and this change wasn't made lightly (I've read the product design doc.)

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Also, in the case of Twilight, the notification that it's running in the background isn't doing the single line thing.
I'm not completely sure but I think this is something the app developer can change in an update.


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Yes, and believe me, an app running a foreground service that is choosing down on your battery is something most people want to be notified of. This isn't supposition, and this change wasn't made lightly (I've read the product design doc.)


Sure, and I've no issue of being initially notified of such things, but it's about control. I've seen the notification and I'm happy to accept what's going on but I *cannot* choose for the notification to fuck off; that's something Oreo will just not allow me to do. So that's annoying in and of itself, but it has a much more damaging long term impact: I'm much less likely to care or notice if something new arrives in that list; potentially something I should care about. Notification overload is totally a thing and anything that adds to that is sabotaging it's own efforts.

Also, I think we're kidding ourselves with the idea that most Android users are going to give a fuck here. The person in the street isn't going to understand or care about the significance of these notifications so it's almost instantly just going to become noise to them. Adding nothing to their experience and just low key negatively impacting their experience.

So power users get some initially useful info but end up annoyed at the lack of control, and everyone else just gets more nonsense they don't understand that trains them to ignore notifications. I'm simplifying that a bit of course, but I genuinely don't see this as a step forward.


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Also, in the case of Twilight, the notification that it's running in the background isn't doing the single line thing.
I'm not completely sure but I think this is something the app developer can change in an update.


Hmm, really? This isn't notification from the app but something generated from Android System because it's detected an app running in a certain mode; isn't that then out of the developer's control? Genuine question because, as always, I'm genuinely interested. :)


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The fix is probably not to run it in that mode - and instead to find a different way of backgrounding

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My S7 started showing me more notifications recently, without me changing any settings or asking for them, yes you can turn them off and tell them to fuck off when they appear - but as a general rule I think a device changing its behaviour for 'reasons' is a bad idea.

'25 minutes to work, the usual traffic'. Yeah cheers, fuck off.


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My S7 started showing me more notifications recently, without me changing any settings or asking for them, yes you can turn them off and tell them to fuck off when they appear - but as a general rule I think a device changing its behaviour for 'reasons' is a bad idea.

I think it's a really good idea when Google are constantly updating and adding new things that are actually often quite useful. How else would I find out that it can do that sort of thing?


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A 'Here's some new stuff you might want to look at' splash screen, perhaps, like they do with other things?

Anyway, notifications are something we've been seeing for years already, and everyone already knows where the settings are for them.


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My phone must be about four years old now and its behaviour has changed completely over that time, mostly without me actually asking it to and pretty much all for the better. I dunno I just really struggle to imagine getting upset about a little icon at the top appearing essentially just to ask me if I want some new thing they've come up with.


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I didn't get upset, I just pressed the fuck off button.


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Oh, ok. You just sounded a little upset.


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I find the traffic updates really useful. I often get a notification on my watch about another snarl up on the M6 on the way home and I can sometimes avoid it as a result.

I suppose on the Isle of Man the traffic updates are more "Highwayman alert, stay in your carriage around Ramsay"

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Actually the only notifications that do seem a bit frequent are the ones asking me to review places. I even got one a couple of months ago asking me to review a motorway junction off the M6.


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Actually the only notifications that do seem a bit frequent are the ones asking me to review places. I even got one a couple of months ago asking me to review a motorway junction off the M6.


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Actually the only notifications that do seem a bit frequent are the ones asking me to review places. I even got one a couple of months ago asking me to review a motorway junction off the M6.


All the roads were in the right place. Would use again. 7/10.


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I haven't been asked to review any major arterial routes yet, but I do get loads of notifications asking me to review restaurants and takeaways if I happen to loiter near one for more than a few seconds.


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I like the 'suggested replies' on the Gmail app. An invite from a friend to do something on a Friday, say, invariably comes up with 'Yes!', 'Looking forward to it', and 'See you there', and excludes the possibility that I might wish to decline.


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I like the 'suggested replies' on the Gmail app. An invite from a friend to do something on a Friday, say, invariably comes up with 'Yes!', 'Looking forward to it', and 'See you there', and excludes the possibility that I might wish to decline.


I use them loads, now.

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