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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:24 
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On the "crazy posters" from, have any of the London BETEOers seen this little beauty?

Courtesy of the English Democrats, whose candidate looks like he really deserves a slap in the picture on their home page.


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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:38 
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That reads like a threat...



Or an advertisement for a specialist fetish event.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:14 
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It's quite opposite where I live - flyposters everywhere inciting Isamic fundamentalism. The most common is 'GLOBAL WAR ON ISLAM' and I'm always tempted to scrawl 'Where do I sign up?' underneath.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:22 
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I once woke up to the slogan 'Islamic brothers! Rise up to the white bastards and slaughter them like pigs' on the door to my flat and on the bus stops and walls all over my street. It did make me feel a tad bit edgy.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:33 
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I just hate being lied to and patronised.


You're completely right there son.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:48 
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Mimi wrote:
I once woke up to the slogan 'Islamic brothers! Rise up to the white bastards and slaughter them like pigs' on the door to my flat and on the bus stops and walls all over my street. It did make me feel a tad bit edgy.


Jeez, that would scare the crap out of me. I've always been very "why can't we all get along?" and have pretty much dismissed fears of immigrants and muslims and such as an over-reaction. However, something like that would instantly turn me into a xenophobic wannabe vigilante. Some of the stuff people here have had to deal with makes me hugely grateful that I live in quiet inoffensive suburbia.


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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:50 
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I once woke up to the slogan 'Islamic brothers! Rise up to the white bastards and slaughter them like pigs' on the door to my flat and on the bus stops and walls all over my street. It did make me feel a tad bit edgy.


Jeez, that would scare the crap out of me. I've always been very "why can't we all get along?" and have pretty much dismissed fears of immigrants and muslims and such as an over-reaction. However, something like that would instantly turn me into a xenophobic wannabe vigilante. Some of the stuff people here have had to deal with makes me hugely grateful that I live in quiet inoffensive suburbia.


Ditto, in Whitesville countryside.

Mind you, I never had any problems whilst living in Londonistan either, so there we go.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
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I have no idea what you are talking about.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
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I was almost more amused than anything else - I took a few pictures and emailed them to Craig. A couple of weeks later it was gone and I more or less forgot about it, but I know that a lot of residents of the older generation were quite shook up by it and then the fear turned to anger and resentment. I am sure that it was only their age that prevented it from turning into a little vigilante uprising, but within time those feelings died down, too. It was around the time of the London bombings, which I think just compounded feelings in the area and was what made me feel edgy about it as I was al to close to the 'action' when the bombings took place.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:30 
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Some points.

Squirt wrote:
On the "crazy posters" from, have any of the London BETEOers seen this little beauty?


1 - There is a MASSIVE one of these at London Bridge, and it genuinely annoys the hell out of me to the point where I want to actually file some sort of complaint against it, on the ground that the person who created it must be some sort of subhuman craphead.

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It's quite opposite where I live - flyposters everywhere inciting Isamic fundamentalism. The most common is 'GLOBAL WAR ON ISLAM' and I'm always tempted to scrawl 'Where do I sign up?' underneath.


2 - Please do. Then take photo. Then try not to get killed.

3 - The topic was a little overly cryptic.

4 - Smokers do smell.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
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I might just do that. Just have to remember to carry a marker pen around with me when I'm pissed.


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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 18:52 
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I smoke, and certainly feel a pang of guilt exhaling whenever small children walk by me on the street, but I can't help but feel the dangers of passive smoking have been massively over-stated by the anti-smoking lobby. "Passive smoking" is a very nebulous subject to do credible academic research on, and it's striking how rarely you see claims about the terrifying threat of passive smoking being backed up by real statistics.


I'm not a biologist or a doctor, so obviously feel free to ignore absolutely everything that follows. For the purposes of disclosure, I quit smoking 5 years ago, but do not despise smokers. Although I do think you're all weak willed fools who may as well just be burning £5 notes every day :)

Passive smoking may well be a nebulous subject to do research on, but one wonders why one would need to.

Here's my thinking (such as it is).

Inhaling smoke from cigarettes indisputably damages the health of the smoker. Lots. Indisputably. Lots and lots.

I therefore cannot see how that same smoke, either after being breathed in and exhaled out by the smoker or just wafting off from the tip, fails to be harmful to the person sat next to you just because they're not holding the cigarette.

Logically, if smoke = harmful for the smoker, then that very same smoke must be harmful to the person sat next to you breathing it in. For me to be wrong, your lungs must somehow magically purify the smoke of all toxins and carcinogens before you exhale it, which doesn't happen.

And yes, passive smokers will inhale smoke at a lower rate and in smaller quantities than the smokers, but:

(a) passive smoking exposure obviously builds up with time and density of smokers, and bar staff (before the ban) were at a reasonably worrying risk of lung cancer and all that, as they were surrounded by hundreds of smokers for hours on end. We've all been in busy bars where merely breathing in is like smoking a fag, for heaven's sake. See also people who live in a smoking household where everyone smokes indoors.

(b) you only need to smoke one fag to develop lung cancer anyway. You'd have to be mahoosively unlucky, of course, but as there is (as I understand it) a running percentage chance of the carcinogens triggering a cancerous mutation each time they're inhaled, it's a risk. So therefore the same risk applies to a one off passive smoker, and much much more so to those who are repeatedly exposed to passive smoking. And it's not a risk that they're chosing to take. It's one that the smoker is inflicting on them.

As we've now banned smoking in enclosed public spaces we've probably done enough to reduce as far as is reasonably possible the risks to the general public of passive smoking, short of banning smoking outside as well (which would be taking things unecessarily too far). There's still the matter of people who smoke in their own houses around their children - these people are absolute 100% cunts, of course, but if we start mandating that they can't smoke in their own homes we've pretty much banned smoking, which I think we'd all agree would be a silly thing to do (see also every other attempt at prohibition). We should, however, ban smoking whilst pregnant. This has documented ill-effects to the baby, and if you can't get yourself together enough to quit smoking for just 9 months for the sake of the health of your unborn child, you may as well just repeatedly punch yourself in teh bump, too. It makes me very, very sad when I see pregnant women (usually young women/girls) smoking.

So, there we are.

The passive smokers won the legislative argument, and it's just the poor kids (born or yet to be born) living with smoking parents that are left carrying the can(cer) for the rest of us.



Both my parents smoke, and when growing up I tried to get them to stop, I managed to get them to stop smoking in my room and that was about it.

Recently I went to spain to visit them (when my dad was ill) and stayed in their flat. They openly smoke around the house. And it was horrible sitting around the flat (especially the living room), this is probably due to living in a non smoking house for the past 10 years or so. After a few days of being there, I started getting a nose bleed every morning, sometimes 2 or 3 in a day. It was really unpleasant. I didn't really say anything because at the time my mum was going through a tough patch.

When I came back home, it took 3 washes before the clothes I was wearing stopped smelling of smoke.

So in summary, if the original post is about smoking, then yes, they do stink.

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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 19:31 
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I don't smoke (except once every six months when I'm very drunk and randomly decide that I do) and I never have done. I don't really care if people want to, it's up to them. As a non-smoker it's nice that I don't reek when I go out to the pub anymore, or if I spend time behind a bar (I'm at the bar-working age) I don't feel like I'm going to cough my lungs out. Plus passive smoking makes me VERY ILL, so I don't have that to worry about these days - unless I go to visit my parents, because they both chain-smoke, and my mother smoked (and fell down the stairs in 4-inch stilettos....) when she was pregnant with me, and I'm _fine_.

After all that, I think the vilification of smokers is a bit ridiculous, because everyone knows smoking is cool :p


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 Post subject: Re: I hate your kind, they stink
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 13:19 
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Kizzy wrote:
my mother smoked when she was pregnant with me, and I'm _fine_.

Erm... Weren't you ill recently?

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