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Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 02, 2018 11:12 ]
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GazChap wrote:
I agree, although I thought it a little odd that a film about Black Panther had so little Black Panther in it - the in-costume character, as well as T'Challa himself, almost seemed like a secondary character in his own movie.
I'll take that in return for An Antagonist Who's Ideas, Motivations, And Decisions Make Sense And Are Emotionally Engaging. Which is a fucking revelation in a Marvel film (although I have a soft spot for what they did in Civil War.)

Plus Andy Serkis leaving chew marks on every scrap of scenery.

Author:  Trooper [ Wed May 02, 2018 12:29 ]
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I liked Michael Jordan, I liked Andy Serkis, I liked Black Panther's sidekick woman. I thought that Black Panther himself was crap and really dragged the film down.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 02, 2018 12:32 ]
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T’Challa at his best:


Author:  Jem [ Wed May 02, 2018 13:30 ]
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Is that the guy from Kenan & Kel?

Author:  Jem [ Wed May 02, 2018 13:35 ]
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Kenan Thompson, that's the guy.

Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed May 02, 2018 13:41 ]
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Yes. Black Jeopardy is a recurring skit on SNL.

Author:  GazChap [ Wed May 02, 2018 14:10 ]
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
GazChap wrote:
I agree, although I thought it a little odd that a film about Black Panther had so little Black Panther in it - the in-costume character, as well as T'Challa himself, almost seemed like a secondary character in his own movie.
I'll take that in return for An Antagonist Who's Ideas, Motivations, And Decisions Make Sense And Are Emotionally Engaging.

That's true. Definitely the best Marvel villain up until Thanos.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu May 03, 2018 14:13 ]
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Who is it here who likes David Hyde Pierce? Everyone, obviously, but I’m sure someone thinks he’s the bees knees, or maybe just really likes Niles in Frasier. Kern, maybe? Mali? Anyway, someone just recommended me this film.

It’s not on the two services I have, so I’ve not seen it, but might be worth looking at.

Author:  Cras [ Thu May 03, 2018 15:08 ]
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It's like the Amazon recommendation engine gone a little bit crazy. "Someone must like this specific thing. It might be you! So you should buy this other thing! It might be terrible. I have no idea! Buy it."

Author:  MrChris [ Thu May 03, 2018 15:11 ]
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However they can't possibly be wrong there

Author:  Kern [ Thu May 03, 2018 15:19 ]
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Might have to take a look at this.

It's amazing whenever I re-watch 'Frasier' how much David Hyde Pierce puts into his performance. There's so many little things such as side-glances or timing that really add to the character and the comedy, yet past unnoticed on first or second viewing.

Author:  Mimi [ Thu May 03, 2018 15:51 ]
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Cras wrote:
It's like the Amazon recommendation engine gone a little bit crazy. "Someone must like this specific thing. It might be you! So you should buy this other thing! It might be terrible. I have no idea! Buy it."

Me, do you mean? I just thought somebody liked the actor and so might like a film he was in. And yay, it WAS Kern. I did me some remembering.

Author:  Hearthly [ Sun May 06, 2018 15:32 ]
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Interesting video about spoilers.


Author:  KovacsC [ Sun May 06, 2018 15:35 ]
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can you sum it up, so i don't have t watch it?

Author:  DavPaz [ Sun May 06, 2018 15:38 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
can you sum it up, so i don't have t watch it?

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
They don't

Author:  Hearthly [ Sun May 06, 2018 15:40 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
can you sum it up, so i don't have t watch it?


Bruce Willis is dead right from the start.

Author:  Trooper [ Sun May 06, 2018 15:49 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
can you sum it up, so i don't have t watch it?


Bruce Willis is dead right from the start.


If that's true, then why do his feet get cut up so bad when they shoot the glass?

Author:  KovacsC [ Sun May 06, 2018 15:52 ]
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the actor is dead?

Author:  LewieP [ Sun May 06, 2018 16:52 ]
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I reject that conclusion.

The study was based on averaging user scores. Are we to believe that the average is meaningfully representative of all viewers?

People are generally passive viewers. They like TV shows with no real consequences or complex themes, they need plot summaries at the start of each episode because they didn't pay attention last time around, and enjoy reality TV where it tells you what you're about to see, shows you something, then tells you what you just saw.

Obviously that's fine, if people just view stories as light entertainment for when they want to switch off, that's perfectly reasonable. But averaging their opinions with those of more the more engaged members of the audience is meaningless.

Author:  Malc [ Sun May 06, 2018 19:47 ]
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LewieP wrote:
I reject that conclusion.

The study was based on averaging user scores. Are we to believe that the average is meaningfully representative of all viewers?

People are generally passive viewers. They like TV shows with no real consequences or complex themes, they need plot summaries at the start of each episode because they didn't pay attention last time around, and enjoy reality TV where it tells you what you're about to see, shows you something, then tells you what you just saw.

Obviously that's fine, if people just view stories as light entertainment for when they want to switch off, that's perfectly reasonable. But averaging their opinions with those of more the more engaged members of the audience is meaningless.

Pretty much :this:

Author:  Malc [ Sun May 06, 2018 19:56 ]
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Malc wrote:
LewieP wrote:
I reject that conclusion.

The study was based on averaging user scores. Are we to believe that the average is meaningfully representative of all viewers?

People are generally passive viewers. They like TV shows with no real consequences or complex themes, they need plot summaries at the start of each episode because they didn't pay attention last time around, and enjoy reality TV where it tells you what you're about to see, shows you something, then tells you what you just saw.

Obviously that's fine, if people just view stories as light entertainment for when they want to switch off, that's perfectly reasonable. But averaging their opinions with those of more the more engaged members of the audience is meaningless.

Pretty much :this:

To expand on that, my wife is fine with spoilers, to the extent that she often watches the end of a film before watching it from the start, however, I hate knowing plot twists and spoilers before hand. I think the last major one that I knew about before hand was from The Force Awakens
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Han being killed
and it really annoyed me. I'd have loved to have gone in not knowing that. The impact would have been much more severe...

So imaging that everyone likes spoilers is like imaging everyone likes Justin Bieber , One Direction or Coldplay or something, just because they top the charts.

Author:  Bamba [ Sun May 06, 2018 22:44 ]
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Malc wrote:
she often watches the end of a film before watching it from the start


You've explained to her that this is fucking mental though, right?

Author:  Malc [ Mon May 07, 2018 0:31 ]
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Bamba wrote:
Malc wrote:
she often watches the end of a film before watching it from the start


You've explained to her that this is fucking mental though, right?

I really don't understand it at all, but she wants to know if the main characters make it through the film or not.

Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Mon May 07, 2018 3:23 ]
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I can see that some people are OK with it and some even like/want/need it, that needing to know exactly what happens straight away... but I'm not. I wouldn't get all hissy over spoilers but I don't appreciate it, personally, as it reduces the impact to me. It's why i tend to avoid a lot of reviews and trailers nowadays.

LewieP wrote:
and enjoy reality TV where it tells you what you're about to see, shows you something, then tells you what you just saw.


Ugh, I really dislike that aspect of how shows are presented now. Especially when they are completely out of context and used as a hook.

Author:  LewieP [ Mon May 07, 2018 3:50 ]
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Yeah, there are a few shows that I think might be otherwise watchable, but I can't handle because of that format.

Author:  JBR [ Mon May 07, 2018 4:28 ]
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Sir Taxalot wrote:
I can see that some people are OK with it and some even like/want/need it, that needing to know exactly what happens straight away... but I'm not. I wouldn't get all hissy over spoilers but I don't appreciate it, personally, as it reduces the impact to me. It's why i tend to avoid a lot of reviews and trailers nowadays.

LewieP wrote:
and enjoy reality TV where it tells you what you're about to see, shows you something, then tells you what you just saw.


Ugh, I really dislike that aspect of how shows are presented now. Especially when they are completely out of context and used as a hook.


Also - work presentations. It's possible to do the intro/summary quickly, and for it just to be structure with a bit of reinforcement. But fundamentally it seems to work more as a 'we know half of you are stupid and some aren't listening, so we'll make this easy for you.' Though people still miss the points, so why not aim at the ones who are paying attention and have some sanction for the others.

Though who knows, I haven't worked for 7 months now, maybe it's all nirvana.

Author:  JBR [ Mon May 07, 2018 4:29 ]
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Anyway - films. I went to see Goodbye Christopher Robin, which was lovely. Or bittersweet lovely, really, as it's about the effect of being 'the real life Christopher Robin' on CR Milne. It skates over some complex subjects - as well as the above, there's absentee parenting and post war traumatic stress - but I thought there was just enough there to hold it together. Much more 'based on a true story' than an actually true one.

Author:  Curiosity [ Mon May 07, 2018 14:22 ]
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Re: spoilers, I hate them with a passion, but I also understand people who like them. I’ve watched several films where my enjoyment has been tempered by me for some reason being convinced that the movie was about to go darker and kill the main characters. To the point where I’ve stopped enjoying them almost because I get trapped in a perpetual loop of being anxious about it.

So I can get wanting to avoid that.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Mon May 07, 2018 16:03 ]
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I quite like spoilers, because I like going "aha" at the clever foreshadowing, but am unfortunately too thick to work out the twist on my own, and too lazy to rewatch things.

If you don't like spoilers then fine, but I hate Spoiler Nazis with a passion.

"I'm going on a two week holiday on the date *movie* releases, so please don't talk about *movie* at all, until I say you can"

No, fuck off. You've got a week from when the movie releases in the cinema. That's your lot. It's up to you to take action to insulate from spoilers at that point.

1 week from cinema release date for movies.
3 days from first UK air for TV shows.
1 month from release date for games and books.

Author:  LewieP [ Mon May 07, 2018 17:09 ]
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Pundabaya wrote:
I quite like spoilers, because I like going "aha" at the clever foreshadowing, but am unfortunately too thick to work out the twist on my own, and too lazy to rewatch things.

If you don't like spoilers then fine, but I hate Spoiler Nazis with a passion.

"I'm going on a two week holiday on the date *movie* releases, so please don't talk about *movie* at all, until I say you can"

No, fuck off. You've got a week from when the movie releases in the cinema. That's your lot. It's up to you to take action to insulate from spoilers at that point.

1 week from cinema release date for movies.
3 days from first UK air for TV shows.
1 month from release date for games and books.

Nonsense, you can just not share spoilers, it's not like people can not hear/see them. What possible reason is there for you to want to spoil movies and such for people?

Author:  Pundabaya [ Mon May 07, 2018 17:32 ]
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The problem is that "spoiler" isn't as cut and dried as it seems.

For me, you could have told me Infinity Wars ending before I walked in the cinema, and I wouldn't have counted it as a spoiler, as I knew pretty much what was going to happen in the last 10 minutes of that film since it was announced. Someone who hasn't read any comics and expected the typical Marvel ending, on the other hand would count it as a spoiler.

Essentially, if you argue that you should never discuss spoilers means you cannot ever discuss any media. There has to be a cutoff, and mine are a bit harsh, but if you actually give a shit about the movie/TV show...

Author:  LewieP [ Mon May 07, 2018 17:36 ]
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Well you can pretty easily infer by context. If you're posting on a forum, use a spoiler tag. If you're posting on social media, use a similar technique for masking the spoiler. If you're talking to someone in person, before you spoil something, ask "do you mind if I spoil X".

Not doing this is being a dick. Doing this allows you to discuss whatever you want, without needless ruining things for other people.

Flagging up a spoiler and giving people reasonable ability to avoid it is just courteous. Not doing so selfish, and serves no actual benefit.

Author:  Cras [ Mon May 07, 2018 18:18 ]
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To my mind, if the characters in the film didn't know it was going to happen, it's a spoiler.

Author:  markg [ Mon May 07, 2018 18:44 ]
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I think it's just any major plot point that everyone doesn't already know. e.g. mentioning that there's a shark in Jaws wouldn't really be a spoiler just because the chief didn't know at the start.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Mon May 07, 2018 18:45 ]
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But then if you say something like “oh I love the twist” then you spend your whole time anxiously waiting for the twist.

“Was that it, or was that just plot development?” For me, almost any kind of knowledge beforehand ruins it.

Author:  devilman [ Mon May 07, 2018 19:01 ]
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Sir Taxalot wrote:

LewieP wrote:
and enjoy reality TV where it tells you what you're about to see, shows you something, then tells you what you just saw.


Ugh, I really dislike that aspect of how shows are presented now. Especially when they are completely out of context and used as a hook.


In a similar vein, it bugs me went a film starts out with a scene near from later in the story to then jump back again; I don't need a teaser for a film I'd already committed to watch. The last two films I watched did this with differing results -

The Next Three Days. The scene is a good one, but in the context of the main story, doesn't need repeating.
Swordfish - With the opening scene at the bank being pretty good and the rest of the film being a mess, I was just waiting for the bank scene to come around to see if it would improve the film (it didn't)

Author:  Mimi [ Mon May 07, 2018 21:34 ]
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Cras wrote:
To my mind, if the characters in the film didn't know it was going to happen, it's a spoiler.

Hmmm, not sure I agree with that as then you’re including a lot of the uses of dramatic irony, which are purposefully made plain to the audience before the characters’ knowledge.

Author:  Mimi [ Mon May 07, 2018 21:41 ]
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I don’t like spoilers, in general. I think some films can give you almost a little burst of adrenaline at the thrill of a clever twist. Take an obvious one
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Fight Club?
where the whole perception of the characters changes after you get the ‘twist’. You can watch a film like that twice, wth and without the knowledge after the twist and it’s a different film. Different things make sense in different ways. If you go in with the knowledge before hand you’ve lost the chance to see it through that first set of conditions.

That said, spoilers for things that don’t really have a ‘twist’ don’t help me in tense moments. It’s a running joke here in my house that I refused to watch the second half of Finding Nemo because I got REALLY upset when the fish got lost. So everyone laughs ‘it’s called FINDING Nemo!’ ok, Finding, not Found, but even with the knowledge that Nemo does get found, I don’t want to go on that emotional journey. That mild peril is too much wobbly crying for me, so nope.

Author:  MaliA [ Mon May 07, 2018 23:01 ]
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Notting Hill is just perfect.

Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Tue May 08, 2018 0:00 ]
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devilman wrote:

In a similar vein, it bugs me went a film starts out with a scene near from later in the story to then jump back again; I don't need a teaser for a film I'd already committed to watch. The last two films I watched did this with differing results -

The Next Three Days. The scene is a good one, but in the context of the main story, doesn't need repeating.
Swordfish - With the opening scene at the bank being pretty good and the rest of the film being a mess, I was just waiting for the bank scene to come around to see if it would improve the film (it didn't)


Oh yes, me too. It seems quite tired (and lazy). Some TV series are really, really bad for this - Supernatural springs to mind.

Author:  Hearthly [ Tue May 08, 2018 9:37 ]
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Satsuma wrote:
I watched Annihilation. I thought it was quite good bar a couple of yawnsome plot points.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Hardass woman ties everyone up because she doesn’t know who to trust. Bleurgh. Somehow only those people who want to die are allowed to go wandering in the shimmer. Bleurgh. Self harming gal (who gets the bare minimum of dialogue) just disappears into/in to foilage. Bleurgh. None of the characters are particularly well fleshed out apart from Kiera Knightly. And some of the CGi is a bit dodgy. The 4 day mind wipe at the beginning is never revisited, explained or even has any impact on the film whatsoever. The exposition and, in particular, line about the shimmer refracting DNA made me pick up my phone. Bleurgh.


And that JJ Abrams was allowed to do multiple cameos as giant lens flares.

5/10


ANNIHILATION:

Hmmm I thought it was much better than that TBH, and will give it 860/1000

Most of the stuff you criticise there was covered to my mind, I really liked it. There was quite a lot of the feel of 'Under The Skin', which is entirely a good thing.

Author:  Morte [ Thu May 10, 2018 13:10 ]
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Watched "Ready Player One" last night...wish I hadn't bothered to be honest.

Author:  LewieP [ Tue May 15, 2018 17:46 ]
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I didn't like Deadpool 2 as much as the first. I think the joke wasn't as good second time around. Decent enough action, although there's some real shonky cgi.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
In particular I thought that the CGI for Juggernaut was fairly poor, and the close ups on Colossus's face (which there were quite a few of) didn't really hold up well.


I dunno, I think you could see the areas where they obviously upped the budget, but I think the script kind of let it down. I still really like Ryan Reynolds in the role, and the rest of the cast were good too, but I don't know if I need another one of these movies like this.

Author:  JBR [ Wed May 16, 2018 7:20 ]
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To dissent (though I might have agreed after the first half hour or so):

Deadpool 2. Oh holy shitballs.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed May 16, 2018 17:58 ]
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Fuck yes. As funny as the first one was, I don't remember literally crying from laughing...

Holy Shitballs indeed.

Author:  Pundabaya [ Wed May 16, 2018 18:28 ]
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Also, I think I've found a new ring tone.

Author:  MrChris [ Sat May 19, 2018 16:29 ]
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I'd actually forgotten how amazing the A Team is. Why the effy jeffy hasn't it had a sequel?!

Author:  Cras [ Sat May 19, 2018 19:19 ]
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MrChris wrote:
I'd actually forgotten how amazing the A Team is. Why the effy jeffy hasn't it had a sequel?!


People are idiots.

Author:  KovacsC [ Sun May 20, 2018 20:50 ]
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MrChris wrote:
I'd actually forgotten how amazing the A Team is. Why the effy jeffy hasn't it had a sequel?!



Going to each that now.

Just watched the greatest showman. I really enjoyed. It

Author:  Sir Taxalot [ Mon May 21, 2018 2:59 ]
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Cras wrote:
MrChris wrote:
I'd actually forgotten how amazing the A Team is. Why the effy jeffy hasn't it had a sequel?!


People are idiots.


The bit with the tank was really super daft though, but overall I agree - it was a really good fun film and I'd like to see more.

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