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Perhaps its related to the massive touchscreens and muted colours being replaced by clunky switches and reds and golds.

One of these days they need to remake TOS to avoid the dissonance.

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Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all. This is explained in the first film.

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Perhaps its related to the massive touchscreens and muted colours being replaced by clunky switches and reds and golds.

One of these days they need to remake TOS to avoid the dissonance.

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Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all. This is explained in the first film.

Is it not? I could have sworn I saw Leonard Nimoy as Spock in it...

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Parallel Universe caused by Spock travelling back in time.


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Sort of. The parallel universe was already subtlety different before that point (Spock and Kirk not being friends, Kirk not being captain, etc).

It was basically a device to ensure they could do what they liked. I lost interest after the second film anyway, which was garbage. Still haven't watched the 3rd one.

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Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all.

The beginning of the first one is - and the USS Kelvin is all high tech.

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Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all.

The beginning of the first one is - and the USS Kelvin is all high tech.

I haven't seen it n a while, but unless it takes place in Spock Prime's universe then it isn't related.

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I thought the timeline split when the baddie attacked Kirk's old man? Or I'm getting confused.


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It was Nero not Spock who created it when he travelled through a wormhole.

I'll have to watch it again as it's been a while.

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I thought the timeline split when the baddie attacked Kirk's old man? Or I'm getting confused.


yes, this is what I think too

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Nero came though the wormhole and attacked the Kelvin - which Kirk was being born on - and that's the point it split. The Kelvin would still have been the same ship, though.

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Sort of. The parallel universe was already subtlety different before that point (Spock and Kirk not being friends, Kirk not being captain, etc).

It was basically a device to ensure they could do what they liked. I lost interest after the second film anyway, which was garbage. Still haven't watched the 3rd one.


the third is better than then 2nd (i know it is not difficult), but not as good as the 1st.

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Yeah my understanding was that 09 starts in the prime universe, but it's an alternate timeline from the moment Nero's ship pops in through the wormhole.

Which in my view makes it the classic soft-reboot. Obviously very different in tone and feel, but with ties to the original continuity.

Ultimately this seems like it was a misstep, given how feeble their Wrath of Kahn remake was, and how they might have been better served by boldly going where no previous series had gone before.


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Yeah, the first film was promising but it's been a missed opportunity really.

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They're just continuing the sweep.

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Ultimately this seems like it was a misstep, given how feeble their Wrath of Kahn remake was, and how they might have been better served by boldly going where no previous series had gone before.


There had been a few films after and Kirk was dead. It needed a reboot, to start the films again. The Kahn was not terrible just not that great.

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I dispute that it "needed" a reboot at all. And I usually enjoy reboots.

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Yeah I mean I think the reboot should have gone further to distance itself from TOS, rather than having not been a reboot.

Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.


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Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.

Need to wait for Tom Hardy to go bald first.


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I dispute that it "needed" a reboot at all. And I usually enjoy reboots.


Unless they were going to just make films, along side the old Shattner ones.

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Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.

Need to wait for Tom Hardy to go bald first.


By James MacAvoy already shaved his head for X Men...

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Relatedly, this is one of the (many) reasons that I prefer the original Alien over Prometheus and Covenant.

I get that technology's moved on, but the fancy-schmancy LCD flat screens of the latter two films look really garish and not a part of the overall aesthetic, like the old equipment in Alien does.

(and yes, I know that Prometheus is supposed to be an all-singing all-dancing science/research vessel, still think it looks shit though :P)

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I get that technology's moved on, but the fancy-schmancy LCD flat screens of the latter two films look really garish and not a part of the overall aesthetic, like the old equipment in Alien does.


It could be argued that you're pushing the definition of "fancy-schmancy" way past it's tolerance when using it to describe a flat-screen display...


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See through flatscreens, mind

Clearly they didn't employ a decent futurologist. See through flat screens are a really fucking dumb idea.

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Clearly they didn't employ a decent futurologist. See through flat screens are a really fucking dumb idea.


Though a great opportunity for silent-movie era slapstick.

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My brain can't cope. Especially with all the noises, like the communicator chirp.


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I like this a lot. However, I still get really pissed off that the federation ships are really very shit at fighting other ships in space. Like terrible.

And if, as stated often, they're intended to be science and exploration vessels, then maybe also have a navy, and hand over to them when war and shit happens.


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Why, FFS?

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I've realised what it is about Tyler that jars with me. He sounds like Ray Romano.

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I've realised what it is about Tyler that jars with me. He sounds like Ray Romano.


Yes! That's it! God that was bothering me for so long.

Also, he has no chin.

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I've realised what it is about Tyler that jars with me. He sounds like Ray Romano.

Shazad Latif (who plays Tyler) was a regular character in obscure-but-good Matt-Berry-vehicle Toast Of London. (He was Clem Fandango, if you've seen it.) This is quite distracting. Still, he's done well for himself. He was also in later seasons of Penny Dreadful apparently.


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I enjoyed the run of episodes towards the end of the season, but found the final episode to be a bit of a mess, and wasn't totally satisfied with the conclusion of some of the story arcs from the series so far.

I think the central plot of the whole season (Klingon War, Spore Drive, questionable allegiances etc) should have been spread out a bit more, so the mid season break was the finale. They could have given some story beats a bit more time, and mixed in a few more standalone episodes, where we get to see how the characters are in a different kind of setting. I'd have loved a few episodes that were classic trek probably with a new (to the Federation) alien race/planet, and some kind of philosophical/ideological challenge, where the crew just have to think through a problem. The Mudd episode stands out as one of the more entertaining episodes, a couple more like that would have been nice.

I appreciate they are doing something different, but I think in their eagerness to establish it as a new kind of Trek, they've perhaps gone too far in the direction of wanting to avoid just being the next next generation.

The final episode, and conclusions to the arc of the season as a whole, had interesting ideas, I just think it felt rushed. It would have benefited from being a two parter.

The very final moment, which was a set up for the next season, I really really didn't like either, but we'll see what they do with it.

The first season was a bit rocky in places, and there's quite a few areas I'd like to see them improve for the next season, but it's also done a lot of interesting things, and I'm definitely anticipating it's continuation (it is already confirmed for a second season). We'll see how it goes, but a lot of the heavy lifting is already done or partially done, and it's clearly found an audience, so fingers crossed it fully delivers on it's potential going forward.


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This article nails a number of things that were bothering me about Discovery, and why I haven’t enjoyed it as much as most others here seem to have done so. (Massive spoilers.)

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/no-follow-through/


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This article nails a number of things that were bothering me about Discovery, and why I haven’t enjoyed it as much as most others here seem to have done so. (Massive spoilers.)

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/no-follow-through/

It's a good article and I can't argue with a lot of it.

The last few episodes were definitely the weakest, and it's a shame they basically reset everything for season 2.

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Agree with most of that, including that it was one of the best series of a Trek until the break.

I am still agog at how they treated Mirror-Uber-Hitler.

“Well, we shall let go the biggest mass murderer in the history of two universes. That’s clearly a good idea.”

And it’s not even that they did it as a response to her love of genocide; they even said before it that imprisoning her wasn’t fair. Fair? She’s literally the worst person in the entire universe! Why is she getting a free ride? At least you locked the bloody Klingon up!

They need to jump back into the Mirror Universe and get Lorca Prime back.

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Isn't he with da angles?

There's no way he won't be alive.

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There's no way he won't be alive.

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There's no way he won't be alive.

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We have no idea what happened to him. Everyone just assumes he's dead.

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Yeah, I realise that we didn't see the dead body, so he may or may not be dead.

I am pretty sure that when
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Aye, the fact that they've never addressed or even questioned the fate of Lorca Prime in the slightest feels very pointed to me.


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Yeah, I realise that we didn't see the dead body, so he may or may not be dead.

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I think you're confusing Lorca Prime (who we've never seen) with Mirror Lorca.

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I think both Mirror and Prime Lorca are still alive, and either of them could show up.


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All of this is glossing over the most important revelation about the Star Trek universe that Disco brought to the table:

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