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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:40 
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Perhaps its related to the massive touchscreens and muted colours being replaced by clunky switches and reds and golds.

One of these days they need to remake TOS to avoid the dissonance.

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Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all. This is explained in the first film.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:42 
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Perhaps its related to the massive touchscreens and muted colours being replaced by clunky switches and reds and golds.

One of these days they need to remake TOS to avoid the dissonance.

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Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all. This is explained in the first film.

Is it not? I could have sworn I saw Leonard Nimoy as Spock in it...

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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:46 
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Parallel Universe caused by Spock travelling back in time.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:57 
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Sort of. The parallel universe was already subtlety different before that point (Spock and Kirk not being friends, Kirk not being captain, etc).

It was basically a device to ensure they could do what they liked. I lost interest after the second film anyway, which was garbage. Still haven't watched the 3rd one.

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Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all.

The beginning of the first one is - and the USS Kelvin is all high tech.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:59 
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Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all.

The beginning of the first one is - and the USS Kelvin is all high tech.

I haven't seen it n a while, but unless it takes place in Spock Prime's universe then it isn't related.

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I thought the timeline split when the baddie attacked Kirk's old man? Or I'm getting confused.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:07 
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It was Nero not Spock who created it when he travelled through a wormhole.

I'll have to watch it again as it's been a while.

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I thought the timeline split when the baddie attacked Kirk's old man? Or I'm getting confused.


yes, this is what I think too

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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
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Nero came though the wormhole and attacked the Kelvin - which Kirk was being born on - and that's the point it split. The Kelvin would still have been the same ship, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
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Lonewolves wrote:
Sort of. The parallel universe was already subtlety different before that point (Spock and Kirk not being friends, Kirk not being captain, etc).

It was basically a device to ensure they could do what they liked. I lost interest after the second film anyway, which was garbage. Still haven't watched the 3rd one.


the third is better than then 2nd (i know it is not difficult), but not as good as the 1st.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
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Yeah my understanding was that 09 starts in the prime universe, but it's an alternate timeline from the moment Nero's ship pops in through the wormhole.

Which in my view makes it the classic soft-reboot. Obviously very different in tone and feel, but with ties to the original continuity.

Ultimately this seems like it was a misstep, given how feeble their Wrath of Kahn remake was, and how they might have been better served by boldly going where no previous series had gone before.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:54 
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Yeah, the first film was promising but it's been a missed opportunity really.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
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They're just continuing the sweep.

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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
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Ultimately this seems like it was a misstep, given how feeble their Wrath of Kahn remake was, and how they might have been better served by boldly going where no previous series had gone before.


There had been a few films after and Kirk was dead. It needed a reboot, to start the films again. The Kahn was not terrible just not that great.

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I dispute that it "needed" a reboot at all. And I usually enjoy reboots.

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Yeah I mean I think the reboot should have gone further to distance itself from TOS, rather than having not been a reboot.

Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.


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LewieP wrote:
Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.

Need to wait for Tom Hardy to go bald first.


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I dispute that it "needed" a reboot at all. And I usually enjoy reboots.


Unless they were going to just make films, along side the old Shattner ones.

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Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.

Need to wait for Tom Hardy to go bald first.


By James MacAvoy already shaved his head for X Men...

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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
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Relatedly, this is one of the (many) reasons that I prefer the original Alien over Prometheus and Covenant.

I get that technology's moved on, but the fancy-schmancy LCD flat screens of the latter two films look really garish and not a part of the overall aesthetic, like the old equipment in Alien does.

(and yes, I know that Prometheus is supposed to be an all-singing all-dancing science/research vessel, still think it looks shit though :P)

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I get that technology's moved on, but the fancy-schmancy LCD flat screens of the latter two films look really garish and not a part of the overall aesthetic, like the old equipment in Alien does.


It could be argued that you're pushing the definition of "fancy-schmancy" way past it's tolerance when using it to describe a flat-screen display...


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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
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See through flatscreens, mind

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See through flatscreens, mind

Clearly they didn't employ a decent futurologist. See through flat screens are a really fucking dumb idea.

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See through flatscreens, mind

Clearly they didn't employ a decent futurologist. See through flat screens are a really fucking dumb idea.


Though a great opportunity for silent-movie era slapstick.

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My brain can't cope. Especially with all the noises, like the communicator chirp.


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 Post subject: Re: Star Trek
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 20:44 
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I like this a lot. However, I still get really pissed off that the federation ships are really very shit at fighting other ships in space. Like terrible.

And if, as stated often, they're intended to be science and exploration vessels, then maybe also have a navy, and hand over to them when war and shit happens.


And then

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they go into an alternate dimension where the federation is warlike and expansionist but yet has exactly the same ships


Why, FFS?

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