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Author:  Squirt [ Wed Jan 10, 2018 19:20 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Giphy "statue of limitations":
https://media3.giphy.com/media/611NBQcpt0hoY/giphy-loop.mp4
Author:  Cras [ Wed Jan 10, 2018 19:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
DBSnappa wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I mean.... if it’s a spoiler for this week’s Trek, people were already talking about it. And if it’s a spoiler for TOS, then fucking hell it aired in 1967. Statue of limitations.


What, precisely, is a statue of limitations.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Wed Jan 10, 2018 19:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Cras wrote:
DBSnappa wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I mean.... if it’s a spoiler for this week’s Trek, people were already talking about it. And if it’s a spoiler for TOS, then fucking hell it aired in 1967. Statue of limitations.


What, precisely, is a statue of limitations.


:D
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 10, 2018 21:23 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I mean.... if it’s a spoiler for this week’s Trek, people were already talking about it. And if it’s a spoiler for TOS, then fucking hell it aired in 1967. Statue of limitations.

Obviously about this episode. Bamba was deliberately vague about it, then you stomped in and spoiled it for everyone else. Worse than Garage, you are.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jan 10, 2018 21:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
I'm not going to watch out now.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Directed by Riker? Okay, I'm in.
Author:  Mimi [ Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
DBSnappa wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
I mean.... if it’s a spoiler for this week’s Trek, people were already talking about it. And if it’s a spoiler for TOS, then fucking hell it aired in 1967. Statue of limitations.


What, precisely, is a statue of limitations.


It’s this.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:47 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
WTAF
Author:  KovacsC [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 13:28 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
I did not see that coming...
Author:  Trousers [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 13:31 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Star Trek Discovery : "It's all kicking off now"
The next episode of Star Trek Discovery : "Hold my pint"

It's fucking brilliant.
Author:  KovacsC [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 13:33 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Yes, might have to watch the last few episodes again...
Author:  LewieP [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 13:50 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
It's just a shame that all the twists have been so obviously telegraphed.
Author:  KovacsC [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 17:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Have they?
Author:  LewieP [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 17:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Yep.

In fact if you scroll back through this thread, you'll see I posted predictions about the major twists long ahead of them dropping.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Jan 23, 2018 18:35 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
I saw elsewhere what can only have been a total guess about Lorca pretty much as soon as he appeared on screen, that we now know to be correct.
Author:  Curiosity [ Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
This is super awesome. I am now caught up.
Author:  Grim... [ Sun Jan 28, 2018 15:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
I still dislike to opening theme music, and the design of the Discovery (especially the spinnging ring and silly flip move it does before jumping).

But it's a great show. Saru's makeup is excellent.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Sun Jan 28, 2018 16:52 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Grim... wrote:
Saru's makeup is excellent.

He likes yours too.
Author:  KovacsC [ Sun Jan 28, 2018 23:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Grim... wrote:
I still dislike to opening theme music, and the design of the Discovery (especially the spinnging ring and silly flip move it does before jumping).

But it's a great show. Saru's makeup is excellent.


The flip is a bit silly.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:05 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
KovacsC wrote:
Grim... wrote:
I still dislike to opening theme music, and the design of the Discovery (especially the spinnging ring and silly flip move it does before jumping).

But it's a great show. Saru's makeup is excellent.


The flip is a bit silly.


Now now. Don’t be flippant.
Author:  Curiosity [ Tue Jan 30, 2018 23:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
I like the flip.

Anyway, SPOILERS FOR THE MOST RECENT EPISODE:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Cor blimey! So Lorca was a nasty piece of work. The way he killed Stammets was fucking hilarious though.

The one thing I didn’t really get into was Burnham’s attachment to Philippa. I mean, I know the original version was her mentor and all, but the Mirror universe one is literally worse than Hitler and has been the leader of a galaxy-wide mission of genocide and enslavement. Yet she’s all buddy buddy now? That’s some weird loyalty.

Anyway, lots of fun! Pew pew!

And oopsies at the ending.

2 more episodes to go to wrap it all up (or deposit them in a different universe).

Cracking stuff.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jan 30, 2018 23:35 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Something I am very much enjoying is: for all of the apparent predestination inherent in a show set ten years before TOS, I have no idea at all where this is going.
Author:  Cras [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 0:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
I like this a lot. However, I still get really pissed off that the federation ships are really very shit at fighting other ships in space. Like terrible.

And if, as stated often, they're intended to be science and exploration vessels, then maybe also have a navy, and hand over to them when war and shit happens.
Author:  Dr Lave [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
It's completely barmy and I'mr really enjoying.

Latest EP spoilers.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
I've been wondering all series about how it has abandoned the positivity and utopian idealism of trek (much like real life am i rite!>!>?!?) but was secretly hopeful that they were trying to 'earn' that positivity, to reintroduce it viewers.

But man that Saru speech to the bridge crew, that was proper old school positivity. Loved it.
Author:  Dr Lave [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
My prediction:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
In despair of losing they fall to dark side and the remnants of Star fleet start using M.Phillipa to defeat the Klingons much to Saru's disagreement (because Saru represents all that is good and proper). It begins to works BUT AT WHAT COST?

Then Clem Fandango starts to show that he has overcome the weirdness of his creation and actually klingons aren't all bad. This makes them see the error of their ways and embrace full TREK UTOPIA. Saru REFUSES to accept ANY costs. TEAMWORK happens. M.Phillipa exposed to GOODNESS but aint having none of it.

Eventually they jump back in time to the start of the series to undo what first went wrong. Some plan involving Voq (Yes, I can hear you) and that. It GOES WRONG.

But wait M.Phillipa see's good in the world. Proves we can change and Han Solo's it, switching places with P.Phillipa in a NOBEL sacrifice.

Michael prevents war/reduces it to a skirmish and is never a criminal. RESET button pressed.

Then twist ending they jump to the future. Double plus if they meet an old picard.
Author:  BikNorton [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:45 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Maybe they'll finally explain what happened to the Klingon genome! Ref Trials and Tribbalations.

Perhaps its related to the massive touchscreens and muted colours being replaced by clunky switches and reds and golds.

One of these days they need to remake TOS to avoid the dissonance. But then they'll have to make Trials and Tribbalations not have happened. HM.
Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
BikNorton wrote:
Maybe they'll finally explain what happened to the Klingon genome! Ref Trials and Tribbalations.

They already have.
Author:  Trousers [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Interesting chat with Lorca here.

Contains spoilers for episode 13

As an aside Jason Isaacs is a good follow on Twitter, certainly doesn't hold back when people tell him he shouldn't have opinions about shit because he's in Star Trek.
Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:11 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Interesting predictions, Lave!
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:21 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
BikNorton wrote:
Perhaps its related to the massive touchscreens and muted colours being replaced by clunky switches and reds and golds.

One of these days they need to remake TOS to avoid the dissonance.

Image
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:40 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Grim... wrote:
BikNorton wrote:
Perhaps its related to the massive touchscreens and muted colours being replaced by clunky switches and reds and golds.

One of these days they need to remake TOS to avoid the dissonance.

Image

Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all. This is explained in the first film.
Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Lonewolves wrote:
Grim... wrote:
BikNorton wrote:
Perhaps its related to the massive touchscreens and muted colours being replaced by clunky switches and reds and golds.

One of these days they need to remake TOS to avoid the dissonance.

Image

Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all. This is explained in the first film.

Is it not? I could have sworn I saw Leonard Nimoy as Spock in it...
Author:  DavPaz [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:46 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Parallel Universe caused by Spock travelling back in time.
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Sort of. The parallel universe was already subtlety different before that point (Spock and Kirk not being friends, Kirk not being captain, etc).

It was basically a device to ensure they could do what they liked. I lost interest after the second film anyway, which was garbage. Still haven't watched the 3rd one.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Lonewolves wrote:
Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all.

The beginning of the first one is - and the USS Kelvin is all high tech.
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Grim... wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Different timeline. Not related to any of the TV series at all.

The beginning of the first one is - and the USS Kelvin is all high tech.

I haven't seen it n a while, but unless it takes place in Spock Prime's universe then it isn't related.
Author:  markg [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:59 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
I thought the timeline split when the baddie attacked Kirk's old man? Or I'm getting confused.
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
It was Nero not Spock who created it when he travelled through a wormhole.

I'll have to watch it again as it's been a while.
Author:  KovacsC [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
markg wrote:
I thought the timeline split when the baddie attacked Kirk's old man? Or I'm getting confused.


yes, this is what I think too
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Nero came though the wormhole and attacked the Kelvin - which Kirk was being born on - and that's the point it split. The Kelvin would still have been the same ship, though.
Author:  KovacsC [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Lonewolves wrote:
Sort of. The parallel universe was already subtlety different before that point (Spock and Kirk not being friends, Kirk not being captain, etc).

It was basically a device to ensure they could do what they liked. I lost interest after the second film anyway, which was garbage. Still haven't watched the 3rd one.


the third is better than then 2nd (i know it is not difficult), but not as good as the 1st.
Author:  LewieP [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:41 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Yeah my understanding was that 09 starts in the prime universe, but it's an alternate timeline from the moment Nero's ship pops in through the wormhole.

Which in my view makes it the classic soft-reboot. Obviously very different in tone and feel, but with ties to the original continuity.

Ultimately this seems like it was a misstep, given how feeble their Wrath of Kahn remake was, and how they might have been better served by boldly going where no previous series had gone before.
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:54 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Yeah, the first film was promising but it's been a missed opportunity really.
Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:55 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
They're just continuing the sweep.
Author:  KovacsC [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:56 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
LewieP wrote:
Ultimately this seems like it was a misstep, given how feeble their Wrath of Kahn remake was, and how they might have been better served by boldly going where no previous series had gone before.


There had been a few films after and Kirk was dead. It needed a reboot, to start the films again. The Kahn was not terrible just not that great.
Author:  myp [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:57 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
I dispute that it "needed" a reboot at all. And I usually enjoy reboots.
Author:  LewieP [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Yeah I mean I think the reboot should have gone further to distance itself from TOS, rather than having not been a reboot.

Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:01 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
LewieP wrote:
Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.

Need to wait for Tom Hardy to go bald first.
Author:  KovacsC [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Lonewolves wrote:
I dispute that it "needed" a reboot at all. And I usually enjoy reboots.


Unless they were going to just make films, along side the old Shattner ones.
Author:  Curiosity [ Wed Jan 31, 2018 13:26 ]
Post subject:  Re: Star Trek
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
LewieP wrote:
Edit: what I'm really worried about is the inevitable TNG reboot.

Need to wait for Tom Hardy to go bald first.


By James MacAvoy already shaved his head for X Men...
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