Star Trek (contains big spoilers for Discovery)

KovacsC · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 14:25

The Rev Owen wrote:

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

Why is it not?

Archer's Enterpise was one of the first starships to have above warp 1.

The Kirk's enterpirse was one of the first to have Warp 5

So as this has young Kirk it has to be set after Archer's enterpise, and it is the TOS enterpise as it has the same tag NCC-1701

This spoiler is actually a spoiler, by the way.

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But it's set in another timeline, so TOS will never happen after the movie.

yes but

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As the original Spock is in it how can he exist if his time line has altered?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 14:29

His hasn't.

The Rev Owen · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 14:30

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

The Rev Owen wrote:

This spoiler is actually a spoiler, by the way.

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But it's set in another timeline, so TOS will never happen after the movie.

yes but

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As the original Spock is in it how can he exist if his time line has altered?

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As I would understand it, in the original timeline, Spock and Nero disappeared into a black hole and are gone. They're in this new parallel universe instead, which split off from the original universe 25 years before the movie, when Nero first came through the black hole. We know TOS will never happen in this universe due to the timeline changes - not least because they can't go and visit Vulcan.

metalangel · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 14:31

All this talk of alternate universes confuses and angers me.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 14:32

I get it now...

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So Stardate time it is set between them (enterprise and TOS), but because of the destruction of Vulcan etc, the future has changed

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The Rev Owen · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 14:35

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

I get it now...

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So Stardate time it is set between them (enterprise and TOS), but because of the destruction of Vulcan etc, the future has changed

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That's how I see it yes.

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But I assume the "old" timeline still exists and will still be the place where the novels and comics are set, except for any movie specific ones.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

MetalAngel wrote:

All this talk of alternate universes confuses and angers me.

Regarding the whole "well which bloody Enterprise is it then?" debate:

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This is the first ever mission for Kirk's Enterprise (the NCC 1701 - the one from the original series and the first 3 movies). It's always been established that Kirk was not the first Captain of this Enterprise, Christopher Pike was.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 15:13

Wasn't Pike the captain in TOS pilot episode. Then Replaced by Kirt for TOS?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 15:36

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

Goddess Jasmine wrote:

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

Goddess Jasmine wrote:

Want to see it. Now.

I would... I think it is the best Star Trek film to date.

12.30 showing.

*gets shoes*

Worth putting shoes on for. I enjoyed that.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 16:01

Acebest fun. Several actual LOL moments. :DD

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Fucking brilliant. Bravest and most successful reboot ever? I think so.

Meaty: I have spent four months tap dancing around Fallout spoilers while you whinged about the fucking Enclave and Brotherhood whilst not having finished the actual game. I'm not doing it with the plot of this. IF YOU MOAN AT ME ABOUT THIS FILM WITHOUT WATCHING IT FIRST I WILL FUCKING SPOIL IT TO PROVE YOU WRONG. THIS WAS YOUR ONLY WARNING.

Zio: did you miss off the NCC-1701-F? IIRC that's the future Enterprise piloted by Riker we glimpse in the finale of Next Gen. The one with a cloak and three warp nacelles. I might be wrong, I haven't fact-checked myself yet.

Myfinger · **Joined:** 18th Aug, 2008 **Posts:** 370

Movie. Good.

If you don't like Star Trek, go and see it.

If you like Star Trek, go and see it.

If you are indifferent to Star Trek, go and see it.

End trans.

Rodafowa · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 23:03

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

Wasn't Pike the captain in TOS pilot episode. Then Replaced by Kirt for TOS?

And showed up crippled and in a wheelchair, communicating ludicrously via flashing lights on the front of the chair, in the episode that was made up out of the re-cut pilot, the one where Kirk was on trial.

Really enjoyed it. Funnily enough, the only bit I could have done without was:

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...the whole section on the iceworld. Really? There was no more elegant and cohesive way you could have woven in the time-travel plot and Old Spock than that? A massive Exposition Dump and an even more massive coincidence that Kirk got marooned on the same world that Nero dumped Spock on? Why wouldn't Nero have just kept Spock on the bridge of his ship? Couldn't he have seen the destruction of Vulcan from there? Hmmm and ahem and come on now.

The time-travel thingamy was such a cool idea it deserved a lot better.

That's nit-picking, though. Like I say, really enjoyed it, really good fun, nice performances all round particularly from Kirk (who had the Kirk Smirk and the Kirk Slouch bang-on), Sylar, Captain Pike and Bones. Within the first ten minutes I'd laughed, I'd cried and I'd seen the vehicle I DO WANT more than any other in movie history, knocking the Speeder Bike, Batman Begins Batmobile and hoverboard out of Back To The Future 2 down the charts.

NervousPete · **Posted:** Thu May 14, 2009 23:11

Rodafowa wrote:

Within the first ten minutes I'd laughed, I'd cried and I'd seen the vehicle I DO WANT more than any other in movie history, knocking the Speeder Bike, Batman Begins Batmobile and hoverboard out of Back To The Future 2 down the charts.

Glorious. And that was a damn fine zippy ride. May it one day be attainable. Who else grinned like a mad fuck when

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Sabotage

started blasting? I even forgave the product placement.

grumpysmurf · **Joined:** 6th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 298

It was pretty good.

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They should make the next one The Search For Spock II, with old Kirk trying to find out what the hell happened to his mate.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 8:15

Rodafowa wrote:

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

Wasn't Pike the captain in TOS pilot episode. Then Replaced by Kirt for TOS?

And showed up crippled and in a wheelchair, communicating ludicrously via flashing lights on the front of the chair, in the episode that was made up out of the re-cut pilot, the one where Kirk was on trial.

Really enjoyed it. Funnily enough, the only bit I could have done without was:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

...the whole section on the iceworld. Really? There was no more elegant and cohesive way you could have woven in the time-travel plot and Old Spock than that? A massive Exposition Dump and an even more massive coincidence that Kirk got marooned on the same world that Nero dumped Spock on? Why wouldn't Nero have just kept Spock on the bridge of his ship? Couldn't he have seen the destruction of Vulcan from there? Hmmm and ahem and come on now.

The time-travel thingamy was such a cool idea it deserved a lot better.

That's nit-picking, though. Like I say, really enjoyed it, really good fun, nice performances all round particularly from Kirk (who had the Kirk Smirk and the Kirk Slouch bang-on), Sylar, Captain Pike and Bones. Within the first ten minutes I'd laughed, I'd cried and I'd seen the vehicle I DO WANT more than any other in movie history, knocking the Speeder Bike, Batman Begins Batmobile and hoverboard out of Back To The Future 2 down the charts.

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I don't think you could risk Spock being on the ship, he could have interferend.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

grumpysmurf wrote:

It was pretty good.

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They should make the next one The Search For Spock II, with old Kirk trying to find out what the hell happened to his mate.

Except that

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old Kirk is most certainly dead by that point. Vulcans are long-lived, and Spock talks about it being 75 years or something since he first stepped on the bridge of the Enterprise

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38463

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

Zio: did you miss off the NCC-1701-F? IIRC that's the future Enterprise piloted by Riker we glimpse in the finale of Next Gen. The one with a cloak and three warp nacelles. I might be wrong, I haven't fact-checked myself yet.

That was the 'D' after a refit. 'Admiral' Riker in the alternative timeline had nabbed the Enterprise as a flagship.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

There was a 4-part comic book prequel to this film, don't know if any of you caught it? iPhone/iPod Touch owners can download it from the App Store for 59p per issue - it's pretty good and I'd definitely recommend it.

If you can't be arsed and just want to know what happens in it:

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It's set some years after the events of Star Trek Nemesis. Nero and the crew of the Narada (at this point a fairly simple Romulan mining vessel) barely escape a gigantic supernova, and quickly head back to Romulus to warn the Senate that they believe this supernova could eventually wipe out most of the Empire, including Romulus itself. Ambassador Spock also believes this is a distinct possibilty, but neither he nor Nero can convince the Senate, whose own scientists believe the nova will die out before it causes any serious damage. Besides, the only known race with the technology to do anything about the supernova are the Vulcans, and the Romulans are not interested in accepting their help.

Nero takes Spock on board the Narada and secretly heads to Vulcan, in order to plead for help anyway from the Vulcan High Council and are joined in this effort by Ambassador Picard and Data (B4 from Nemesis with Data's personality and memories uploaded), who is now Captain of the Enterprise-E. The High Council however are reluctant to provide any help without officially being asked by the Romulans, which causes Nero to head off in a huff to try and save his family before Romulus is destroyed.

Eventually Spock, Picard and Data are able to convince the High Council to allow Spock to take the Jellyfish (Spock's ship from the movie) with the Red Matter to head into Romulan space and stop the supernova (Spock volunteers due to his age - this will almost certainly be a suicide mission). However all of the delays caused by the High Council means that Spock is not able to reach the supernova before Romulus is destroyed. Likewise, Nero also fails to rescue his family in time before having to witness the destruction of his home. As a result, he and his crew shave their heads and tattoo their faces (apparentely a sign of their mourning) and locate the Romulan Senate, who have escaped the destruction in their own ship. He kills the Praetor for failing to do anything to stop the destruction of Romulus, then makes the remaining Senate members give him access to a top secret Romulan weapons research base so that he can outfit the Narada with super-advanced weaponry.

Nero then heads off to intercept Spock and prevent him from stopping the supernova, as he wants it to continue to destroy the Federation like it has the Romulan Empire. However, Spock has already launched the Red Matter by the time the Narada catches up to him and both ships gets sucked through the resultant black hole.

The Rev Owen · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 11:15

First two parts are also in the Star Trek comic, on sale now in all good newsagents.

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 11:28

nervouspete wrote:

Who else grinned like a mad fuck when

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Sabotage

started blasting? I even forgave the product placement.

Moi! It made me want to get out a placcy guitar. ?:|

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 11:38

Zio wrote:

There was a 4-part comic book prequel to this film, don't know if any of you caught it? iPhone/iPod Touch owners can download it from the App Store for 59p per issue - it's pretty good and I'd definitely recommend it.

If you can't be arsed and just want to know what happens in it:

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!

It's set some years after the events of Star Trek Nemesis. Nero and the crew of the Narada (at this point a fairly simple Romulan mining vessel) barely escape a gigantic supernova, and quickly head back to Romulus to warn the Senate that they believe this supernova could eventually wipe out most of the Empire, including Romulus itself. Ambassador Spock also believes this is a distinct possibilty, but neither he nor Nero can convince the Senate, whose own scientists believe the nova will die out before it causes any serious damage. Besides, the only known race with the technology to do anything about the supernova are the Vulcans, and the Romulans are not interested in accepting their help.

Nero takes Spock on board the Narada and secretly heads to Vulcan, in order to plead for help anyway from the Vulcan High Council and are joined in this effort by Ambassador Picard and Data (B4 from Nemesis with Data's personality and memories uploaded), who is now Captain of the Enterprise-E. The High Council however are reluctant to provide any help without officially being asked by the Romulans, which causes Nero to head off in a huff to try and save his family before Romulus is destroyed.

Eventually Spock, Picard and Data are able to convince the High Council to allow Spock to take the Jellyfish (Spock's ship from the movie) with the Red Matter to head into Romulan space and stop the supernova (Spock volunteers due to his age - this will almost certainly be a suicide mission). However all of the delays caused by the High Council means that Spock is not able to reach the supernova before Romulus is destroyed. Likewise, Nero also fails to rescue his family in time before having to witness the destruction of his home. As a result, he and his crew shave their heads and tattoo their faces (apparentely a sign of their mourning) and locate the Romulan Senate, who have escaped the destruction in their own ship. He kills the Praetor for failing to do anything to stop the destruction of Romulus, then makes the remaining Senate members give him access to a top secret Romulan weapons research base so that he can outfit the Narada with super-advanced weaponry.

Nero then heads off to intercept Spock and prevent him from stopping the supernova, as he wants it to continue to destroy the Federation like it has the Romulan Empire. However, Spock has already launched the Red Matter by the time the Narada catches up to him and both ships gets sucked through the resultant black hole.

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Eventually Spock, Picard and Data ..

Did Data not die in Nemisis?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Read it again.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 12:01

What a fucking copout! They said in Nemesis that they couldn't do that.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 12:06

Craster wrote:

Read it again.

I did

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Quote:

It's set some years after the events of Star Trek Nemesis

if so, did Data not perish in Nemisis?

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 12:06

Er, I think you need to read it again again.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 12:12

Grim... wrote:

Er, I think you need to read it again again.

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Ambassador Picard and Data (B4 from Nemesis with Data's personality and memories uploaded),

ah!! having a slow day..

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Grim... wrote:

What a fucking copout! They said in Nemesis that they couldn't do that.

One of the many reasons I thought Nemesis was shite. The whole B4 sub-plot was there just so they'd have a way out from killing Data off.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 12:25

I liked Nemesis a lot.

Mind you, my favorite Trek was Voyager, so I'm well aware I'm not accepted in Trekkie circles

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 12:26

Grim... wrote:

What a fucking copout! They said in Nemesis that they couldn't do that.

that is what confused me, as in the film they said the 'other data' was not advanced enough.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 12:31

Grim... wrote:

I liked Nemesis a lot.

Mind you, my favorite Trek was Voyager, so I'm well aware I'm not accepted in Trekkie circles

The wife only likes Voyager too

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 12:38

I don't only like Voyager. I'm not a massive fan of any of them, to be honest.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

Liking Nemesis instantly invalidates any opinions you may have in the future. (Says the person associated more than anyone else with the word WRONG)

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38463

I've seen nemesis maybe 3.5 times and it's never made any impact on my memory. I can barely tell you what happened. Also, it's the first Trek film since IV that didn't see at the cinemarrr.

I haven't seen the reboot yet (next weekend, I promised my bro)

Goddess Jasmine · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 14:17

I

Voyager, my favourite series of all.

metalangel · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 14:24

Ensign Hairy Quim!

NervousPete · **Posted:** Fri May 15, 2009 15:34

There were two good things about Voyager. The intro was wonderful, with stately beautiful music and some breathtakingly well conceived visuals of Voyager cruising through gas giant rings, and silhouetted against blinding sun beams. And the Doctor, Robert Picardo.

That was it.

Nemesis was terrible. I felt insulted. I wanted to kick John Logan and Stuart Baird's faces off and I wasn't even particularily a Trek fan.

Oh no Data's self-sacrificially dead in stopping a doomsday device! It's just like Wrath of Khan!

Hurrah! Data's alive! In the form of an identical robot with all his memories and emotions and personalities and... hold on... that's not hurrah at all. He's still dead, if a machine could acquire a soul. Why's everyone grinning like an idiot around him? What the fuck is this? Why have they ruined one of the key good ideas in TNG? What is this bollocks awful directing? A seat-belt joke? What? Where the fuck is Snarf? FUCK OFF.

grrrgh.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

nervouspete wrote:

There were two good things about Voyager. The intro was wonderful, with stately beautiful music and some breathtakingly well conceived visuals of Voyager cruising through gas giant rings, and silhouetted against blinding sun beams. And the Doctor, Robert Picardo.

That was it.

Nemesis was terrible. I felt insulted. I wanted to kick John Logan and Stuart Baird's faces off and I wasn't even particularily a Trek fan.

Oh no Data's self-sacrificially dead in stopping a doomsday device! It's just like Wrath of Khan!

Hurrah! Data's alive! In the form of an identical robot with all his memories and emotions and personalities and... hold on... that's not hurrah at all. He's still dead, if a machine could acquire a soul. Why's everyone grinning like an idiot around him? What the fuck is this? Why have they ruined one of the key good ideas in TNG? What is this bollocks awful directing? A seat-belt joke? What? Where the fuck is Snarf? FUCK OFF.

grrrgh.

All of

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16559

Just been to see Star Trek and it is amazing. Best sci-fi and best summer blockbuster in years.

Grim... · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 16:28

Best Sci-fi at the cinema since Serenity, I reckon.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

While I'm not as enthused with the film as everyone else, I think it is the best sci fi film since serenity. Serentity was better though. Probably. Firefly was better.

Grim... · **Posted:** Sun May 17, 2009 20:01

There hasn't been much else in the Sci-Fi genre since though, has there? Sunshine springs to mind.

metalangel · **Posted:** Mon May 18, 2009 7:54

Kovacs Caprios wrote:

Why is it not?

Archer's Enterpise was one of the first starships to have above warp 1.

The Kirk's enterpirse was one of the first to have Warp 5

So as this has young Kirk it has to be set after Archer's enterpise, and it is the TOS enterpise as it has the same tag NCC-1701

You've got that a bit wrong, I think Archer's Enterprise was one of the first to reach Warp 5, Kirk's Enterprise can do Warp 8.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Surely Kirk's Enterprise did Warp 10? Not entirely under it's own steam, admittedly.

metalangel · **Posted:** Mon May 18, 2009 9:57

Well, yeah. So did the Enterprise-D. According to the Star Trek wiki, there was even a pre-NX01 Enterprise, some kind of 'warp liner' which could do Warp 2. It looks not far removed from some of the conceptual craft NASA talk about, consisting of a long slender tube and a large 'hoop', which I presume are the warp engine and crew modules respectively.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

I've always been slightly annoyed by the silliness of design of the Enterprise and most sci-fi ships. Why would you put the bridge right up on top where a stray shot can take out the entire upper branch of the crew? Why wouldn't you bury it in the middle of the ship, and use screens and cameras to show them whatever they need to see?

Why would you have boarding parties consisting of the higher ranking shipboard officers? The marines were created for expressly that purpose - as a military force on board ship used for boarding parties and the repelling of enemy boarding parties, so why would you change that?

Also (although I can see why they do it), what's with the manual firing control on the captain's voice orders? When you're trying to hit a moving point in space, surely your computers can do a damned sight better job of tracking your target than doing it manually, and waiting for the captain to tell you when to fire? Explains why they miss so much, I guess.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon May 18, 2009 10:41

Craster wrote:

I've always been slightly annoyed by the silliness of design of the Enterprise and most sci-fi ships. Why would you put the bridge right up on top where a stray shot can take out the entire upper branch of the crew? Why wouldn't you bury it in the middle of the ship, and use screens and cameras to show them whatever they need to see?

Why would you have boarding parties consisting of the higher ranking shipboard officers? The marines were created for expressly that purpose - as a military force on board ship used for boarding parties and the repelling of enemy boarding parties, so why would you change that?

Also (although I can see why they do it), what's with the manual firing control on the captain's voice orders? When you're trying to hit a moving point in space, surely your computers can do a damned sight better job of tracking your target than doing it manually, and waiting for the captain to tell you when to fire? Explains why they miss so much, I guess.

I wonde rif it goes back to Ship design, where the bridge is high up so you can see further across the water.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

It probably does, but that's no reason not to can the idea when the technology makes it possible.

KovacsC · **Posted:** Mon May 18, 2009 10:50

Craster wrote:

It probably does, but that's no reason not to can the idea when the technology makes it possible.

Not sure..

Wasn't there a battle bridge in the cente of the 1701-D, that they used then the ship split in two.

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