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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 15:10 
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Are there any decent schmups on the PC or DS Lite, either horizontal or vertical? I'd quite like at least one. :(


Better off playing GBA shooters on your DS lite. Gradius Galaxies is a good start.

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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nervouspete wrote:
Are there any decent schmups on the PC or DS Lite, either horizontal or vertical? I'd quite like at least one. :(


Better off playing GBA shooters on your DS lite. Gradius Galaxies is a good start.


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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Also: Buy a 360 Pete.

Yes.

Actually everyone should buy one.

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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I've not heard of Gradius Galaxies, and I need a new game to fit in my beautiful sweet GBA Micro to fill 10 minute gaps. Colour me curious.

I've never really thought about traditional shmups on the GBA. Can anyone name some others? Vertical ones especially.

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Okay, I don't particularly like shmups, but I downloaded the trial to Ikaruga, wanting to see what all the fuss is about. I enjoyed the first level, didn't beat the boss, but saw how to beat the boss. Bought the full game. Got past the boss quite easily. And 8) 8) holy crap, that second level is a bitch and a half. First level: tough, but fair. Second level: Insanity.


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Level three will probably make your head fall off, then :D

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Quite possibly, however, I don't think I'll ever get to see it.


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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 19:33 
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I boughted Omega5 the other day in lethargic response to all the aceness reviews by you lot. It is indeed most excellent, however I can only get to level 3 so far.

I would say however, that there is an opening for one of you all-knowing guys to knock up a quick BETEO GUIDE TO BEING EXCELLENT AT...OMEGA 5 as frankly I didn't know how to repel bullets with Tempest until I looked it up or that there was a shield thing. The ingame instructions are crap.

And if it ends up becoming a series I do of course claim it as my idea and will be claiming royalties on the name. About £2 a month should cover it.


Here is my tip. Don't use Tempest and his multicoloured ejaculate.

BOOBIES is definitely the one to use but my tip for a higher score is to not try and destroy everything as soon as you see it. Simply hitting something with her laser stops your multiplier from resetting so often I sweep over enemies without concentrating fire on them to maintain the 10x multiplier for as long as possible.

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 22:27 
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Good evening, godless sodomites!

Would you folks be up for turning this thread into something of a 'workshop'? No set targets, or deadlines by which to submit scores, just a nice little space for us to talk about how we're getting on with our particular games, and to share tips with each other and talk about how cool pink bullets that go 'PSHEWWW' are.

Actually, it might be better if we pick a game that everybody has access to, and stick with it as a group for a while. Just playing on and off, mind you. The important thing is for it to be relaxed, so that we can all have fun getting better at these games in our own time. Asking any kind of dedication from people usually ends up creating, well, the shmups.com forums.

I'm playing Parodius Da! on the Saturn at the moment (part of the Gokujou Parodius Deluxe Pack), but MAME runs it beautifully too, so does anybody fancy score-attacking this?

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 23:45 
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How do I go about getting it for MAME? I've never actually bothered with MAME, actually. What do I do?


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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 23:54 
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MAME Plus is probably the easiest one to use, mate. I actually have a version of it up on my FTP, with a bunch of games:

Enjoy!

Bookmark this for all your ROMs. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Sweet! Thanks man :)

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 0:09 
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Oh, there's some other stuff I should tell you. When you start up the emulator, click on 'available' and press F5 to refresh it. You need to do this every time you add new games to the ROMs folder, too. You press '5' to add credits for player one, and '1' to start the game ('6' and '2' for player two, and so on). You should be good to go now, but gimme a shout if you get stuck!

You could always get the newest version of MAME Plus, but I find it's far too bloated for my laptop. Haven't tried it on my bog-standard shop-bought Dell computer, though...

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 0:15 
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Sweet! Thanks man :)

*plugs Hori stick in*

Hey! Does the Hori stick work under WIndows then? I never realised!

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Thanks!

And yeah CUS, it surely does! Plug and play. It's the best stick I've ever had, and I've had some sticks.


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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 0:21 
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I could do with a new stick. Where can I get one of those, captain?

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 0:28 
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Pretty much any of the online retailers, but I got mine from Dr. A, who bought it for 20 quid in Gamestation. I don't know if that offer's still on, but even if it is, they're rare to find - hence Dr. A getting me one! But Amazon's as good as any other place I guess:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Virtua-Fighter- ... 426&sr=8-2

The Virtua Fighter crap is actually just a sticker set that you don't have to put on. It's a 360 stick, but like I said, plug and play in Windows at least.


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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Gamestation are still doing them for £19.99 - I have seen them quite recently, in the Birmingham and Telford branches.

That's aces about the Windows compatability - MAME here I come, woo!

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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I hope there's a Saturn converter for that. Hoo boy!

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:18 
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Klatrymadon wrote:
Would you folks be up for turning this thread into something of a 'workshop'? No set targets, or deadlines by which to submit scores, just a nice little space for us to talk about how we're getting on with our particular games, and to share tips with each other and talk about how cool pink bullets that go 'PSHEWWW' are.


This is a fabby idea, and I'm going to be the first to beg for tips on how to kill the bastard Level 2 boss in Ikaruga. I mean, I can avoid its attacks for a couple of cycles, but i'm having real difficulty finding where I should be shooting, as nothing I do seems to have an effect.

This weekend, in between bouts of Ikaruga and Raiden 3 I shall be plugging in my new Master System (thanks to a kind work colleague who gave me a whole bunch of console goodies for free) and having a blast at R-Type. I may even (nngh) try a few more goes at Nanostray 2, but playing it causes me so many tears of sadness that I don't know whether I have the strength of will to play it for long.

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:01 
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I rarely play Ikaruga, but I was alright at it a couple of years ago. From what I remember, you have to shoot one of the red 'shields' in the middle to make it drop down, then get between it and the exposed part of the ship and just hammer away until the gap's almost closed again. When you've destroyed both halves, that's it! It'll seem pretty tough at first, but you'll be doing this boss with your eyes closed in a few days. :)

YouTube should have tons of videos for Ikaruga, too!

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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I've been playing that Warning Forever and it's quite a lot of fun. I've got to Stage 11 with the Penda Force Wing Wide Perfect thingy and it is stupidly tricky but satisfying.

Cheers for the recommend! :luv:

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 17:23 
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Klatrymadon wrote:
I rarely play Ikaruga, but I was alright at it a couple of years ago. From what I remember, you have to shoot one of the red 'shields' in the middle to make it drop down, then get between it and the exposed part of the ship and just hammer away until the gap's almost closed again. When you've destroyed both halves, that's it! It'll seem pretty tough at first, but you'll be doing this boss with your eyes closed in a few days. :)

YouTube should have tons of videos for Ikaruga, too!


Ah! Cheers for that! I had no idea you could sneak inside those shield thingies - I must have been squeezing the occasional shot inside the boss, because I couldn't work out why its energy bar kept appearing and disappearing. Looking at the videos on YooChoob it definitely doesn't look too difficult once you know what you're supposed to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 13:22 
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Any time, mate! For the really popular shmups, I always defer to YouTube. It's full of ludicrously skilled players going "look, no hands!"

Did you get Parodius working, jonarob?

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Hullo! Yeah I got it working - it's a fucking toughie, isn't it? I didn't realise it was so similar to Gradius. Good stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 18:27 
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Hullo! Yeah I got it working - it's a fucking toughie, isn't it? I didn't realise it was so similar to Gradius. Good stuff.

You probably guessed, but it was named as a parody of Gradius.

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 21:00 
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Any time, mate! For the really popular shmups, I always defer to YouTube. It's full of ludicrously skilled players going "look, no hands!"

Did you get Parodius working, jonarob?


How come MAME plus shows all the games I don't have as well? Is this normal or is it because I basically downloaded your setup with a smaller selection of roms?


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like the psx version of parodius better than the mame one (via snesorama)

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Ummm, I can't seem to install new roms. I put them, still zipped, into the ROMS folder, but restarting MAME doesn't show them, neither does auditing or refreshing. What's the crack?


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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Argh! Does anyone know why?


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Have you told MAME to look in that folder during an audit? That's where I was going wrong.

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I'm using MAME plus and I don't see an option for that. It seems to be auditing the right folder, though. It's just not finding my new roms.


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Cocknobs. I think it's because the roms aren't compatible. I was trying to play Giga Wing. I downloaded it from a MAME site, though. Am I using an old version of MAME or something?


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How big is the Gigawing zip?

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If it helps, there's a few links to Giga Wing here. I don't know how up-to-date Emucation's roms are though. Mind you, every time I visit the site, I expect it to have been pulled.

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I had an old version of MAME Plus is all. I've got the latest one now and it all works. Also fully configured my Hori stick so it's working excellently.

Shienryu is awesome and gets the thumbs up from me.


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I can understand the appeal but for me this game just sounds like a recipe for frustration and misery.

I appear to be ok at this game only if it's 3.30am and I'm half drunk, sober and in the daytime I'm exactly as rubbish as I expected that I would be.


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Plus you had excellent one on one coaching.

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The PSP Parodius and Gradius collections are a thing of beauty.


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i kind like Shmups. The only thing i don't like about them is that they hurt my self-esteem by make me think that i'm the person with worst reflexes in the world. Do they all need to be so goddamn hard?

The only one that i remember being accessible was Wings of Death on the Amiga. Everything else is impossible in my book. Ikaruga isn't even that hard imo (at least i can finish the 1st level without losing lives).


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The PSP Parodius and Gradius collections are a thing of beauty.

Did they get a Euro release at all? Sounds good, but play.com turns up nada on the Paro front.

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I'll post my Parodius Da! scores after I get back to clearing the first loop.

(The Gradius games all go pretty easy on the numbers, y'see. If you've scored over one million, you're usually half way through the second loop, so first-loop scores tend to look very unimpressive indeed. :p )

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 Post subject: Re: Shmups
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Zardoz wrote:
nervouspete wrote:
Are there any decent schmups on the PC or DS Lite, either horizontal or vertical? I'd quite like at least one. :(


Better off playing GBA shooters on your DS lite. Gradius Galaxies is a good start.
Bah, still kicking myself for selling my Gradius Advance. Particularly as I accidentally bought a pirated copy before I got a proper one. Bah. Never will be able to get another legit one, bah.

So, for those of us like me whose only current-gen TV-based console is the Wii, any good shoot 'em ups?

(BTW, I can get access to a PSP, so may well get the one of those Konami shmp compilations. Are PSPs region free?)


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Fuck me! Had a look on Shmups.com and according to those guys, DoDonPachi is the finest shooter of all time and they're not wrong. What an incredibly fun game. Everyone should download MAME, get an arcade stick and play this. Fucking brilliant. Anybody got any high scores? I got 350,000 on my first go (I think, I'll double check).


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Gigawing is better.

DoDonPachi is proper good fun, though, 'specially on the second loop.

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I'm not a huuuuge fan of Gigawing, it's pretty decent.


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DoDonPachi is awesomesauce. I would kill for a proper Live release.

(not a silly disk version.)

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jonarob wrote:
Fuck me! Had a look on Shmups.com and according to those guys, DoDonPachi is the finest shooter of all time and they're not wrong. What an incredibly fun game. Everyone should download MAME, get an arcade stick and play this. Fucking brilliant. Anybody got any high scores? I got 350,000 on my first go (I think, I'll double check).



Haven't played in a while, but I was getting onto Level 4 on one credit in the past. My high is 10.5 million or thereabouts, although I've never been able to get the hang of chaining to get the really big scores.
The prequel, DonPachi, is also worth checking out - not least for some hilarious Engrish in the copyright notice when you first boot it up.

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throughsilver wrote:
Zen-Chan wrote:
The PSP Parodius and Gradius collections are a thing of beauty.

Did they get a Euro release at all? Sounds good, but play.com turns up nada on the Paro front.


Sadly not, but all the menus etc are in English (and they are hugely extensive, even going as far as allowing you to emulate slowdown in the originals).

There are two other Konami shooter collections on the PSP, a Salamander one and a Twinbee one as well.


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