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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 15:24 
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I tend to just create a playlist by artist and drag all their albums on to it. Occasionally I'll group stuff together like this one which has a lot of Rock Band/Guitar Hero tracks, and a heavy and quiet playlists depending on my mood. I rather like Spotify's Music for concentration playlist too.

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Monster is such a fucking brilliant album.

I pretty much just listen to this when I'm in an R.E.M. mood. Or Automatic.


Yes, I think Monster got a lukewarm reception as it wasn't Automatic. I look forward tonthoa diacussion with the pair of you tomorrow


Listened to Up! The other day. It's terrible.

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Anyone listened to their Spotify Time Capsule? A playlist created by Spotify playing the music you loved as a teenager.

Weirdly accurate.


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Anyone listened to their Spotify Time Capsule? A playlist created by Spotify playing the music you loved as a teenager.

Weirdly accurate.


My list wasn't too far off. I grew up listening to Queen, Metallica and a bit of Pantera which all feature, but there's also some of the stuff that my brother would subject me too like Primal Scream and the Stone Roses.

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Mine's pretty good apart from starting with 2 disney songs :D


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Mine's pretty good apart from starting with 2 disney songs :D



I think the only real outliers in my list are Suicidal Tendencies' 'Go'n Breakdown', which I'd never even heard of till last year and some Phil Collins and Enya stuff, well, for obvious reasons.

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Anyone listened to their Spotify Time Capsule? A playlist created by Spotify playing the music you loved as a teenager.

Weirdly accurate.

Not even remotely accurate for me.


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Mine's pretty good actually, apart from the one Woodie Guthrie song which snuck in along with all the Stone Temple Pilots and Faith No More.


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Well mine is 95% tracks off Chopley's Awesome Playlist, or tracks that have been on Chopley's Awesome Playlist.

The other 5% are duplicate artists, thus would not be permitted on Chopley's Awesome Playlist.

Seriously, it's that close that at first I thought it'd just randomly selected tracks from Chopley's Awesome Playlist, and added the title Your Time Capsule.

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Yep, pretty good for me, but much of it is by artists that are on my main playlist now, like Chopley.


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Hit a total blank on Spotify last night with a band called 'TREES', it's not that they don't have the licensing for them, Spotify just doesn't seem to know they ever existed.

They were an English folk rock band that only existed for three years between 1970-1973, and released a grand total of two albums.

My dad had one of the albums on vinyl and I listened to it when I was a child, and really liked it. Unfortunately it eventually became so scratched as to be unlistenable, and I made a mental note I'd try and buy it one day, but as the years passed I never saw the album in any record stores anywhere. (I later found out that they hadn't been particularly commercial successful, and vinyl for the albums was never produced in any great numbers.)

Fast forward to the INTERNET AGE and I was able to get hold of both of their albums in the late 90s on CD, from memory there was a CD run of them in 1996. (In fact, checking Amazon it looks like they got another run in 2008.) Then about 13 years ago I ripped our CD collection to MP3 (a task which took weeks....) so I've had them readily available as MP3s since then.

Shame I can't add a track of theirs to Chopley's Awesome Playlist on Spotify though.

Anyway, I'd very much recommend TREES, their two albums are called THE GARDEN OF JANE DELAWNEY and ON THE SHORE.

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You can add your own music to your own Spotify collection. Just do that; there are loads of bands with nothing on there.

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https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2018/0 ... y-article/

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“You keep using that word, ‘product.’ I’m not trying to be difficult, I’m really asking you: what do you think your product is?”

The executive was surprised. He stared at me blankly and said, “What do you mean? Our product is Spotify.”

There it was. It was a shocking admission to me, in earshot of everyone, and one he obviously didn’t think was an admission at all.

“No no… sorry,” I said, shaking my head in disbelief. “Your product isn’t ‘Spotify.’” He continued to stare at me. I said, “Sir, your product is music.” The emboldened musicians standing around us started laughing. The exec smiled and backed away, “Well okay, if you’re going to be like that.”

“Wait,” I said, “Listen, it’s music. Your product is music. The reason I know that is because if we went out into the street right now and asked a thousand people what Starbucks’ ‘product’ is, they’d all say coffee. Not a single person would say ‘Starbucks’ product is Starbucks.’ Right?”

His smile faded.

“And by the way,” I added, “Stop calling your subscribers ‘users.’ They’re not ‘users,’ they’re listeners––our listeners in fact. You’re the ‘user.’ You’re using our music to monetize our listeners for your profit.”

He looked at me as if I’d just shot Santa Claus in the face.

“No, man! You’re wrong!” He was sweating now, and the dozen or so musicians who’d gathered around us began heckling him. He shouted, “Spotify is our product! You don’t get it at all!” He stormed off.

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That article does seem like bullshit. The author himself makes the point that Nextflix is different from Spotify because Netflix actually makes content; then goes on to be incredulous that a Spotify exec doesn't think their product is the music they don't make? Same with his Starbucks comparison, Starbucks does actually make and sell coffee so of course people think their product is coffee; that's because it actually is. He might well be making good points about Spotify's attitude and business model but it's all couched in hair-splitting and inconsistent bullshit.


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Plus some sort of balance would say "Hang on, I got that wrong, got all hung up on the branding - our product is the software that brings music to people, and that suggests what people might want to listen, and pays the tiny royalties" and etc. Nice grandstanding, and he still has a point, but not making it fairer is... oversimplification.


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He does have a point, though, in that without the music Spotify would literally be nothing. If everyone suddenly pulled all of their content from Netflix, they'd at least have all of their own content to stream (although the service would probably still crumble, of course)

If they're not paying the artists their dues, or are taking the piss, then they run the risk of exactly that happening.

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He does have a point, though, in that without the music Spotify would literally be nothing.


That is true, but is anyone arguing otherwise?


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Well, apparently, Spotify are.

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Well, apparently, Spotify are.


Someone from Spotify has said that if they had no music on their service they'd be totally fine?


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No, but by arguing that Spotify is the product (which I'm reading as "the reason that people use Spotify") that is basically what he's saying.

By my reading (which could be entirely bollocks, of course) the article writer's point is that Spotify's execs are under the impression that people use Spotify because it's Spotify, and I imagine there's an element of "the artists should be glad to be on Spotify!" attached to that too.

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No, but by arguing that Spotify is the product (which I'm reading as "the reason that people use Spotify") that is basically what he's saying.

By my reading (which could be entirely bollocks, of course) the article writer's point is that Spotify's execs are under the impression that people use Spotify because it's Spotify, and I imagine there's an element of "the artists should be glad to be on Spotify!" attached to that too.


I believe that is what the author's trying to argue, I just don't think anyone is actually saying that. Or, at least, not in that way he's claiming it. Given that there shitloads of alternatives (Google Music, Apple Music, Amazon Music, Tidal, etc) it's fair to claim Spotify users are on there because they prefer it i.e. "people use Spotify because it's Spotify". It's implicit though that the service only exists because it has content to sell (or rent out in this case) and no one needs anyone to say that--aside from the author apparently--because we're not idiots who need the obvious stated. Shitloads of companies and services exist only, or mainly, to shift third party products, no one needs to be standing around pointing that out as if it was some great revelation. The entire article reads like the most horrendous mash-up of r/IamVerySmart and r/ThatHappened; just painful to read and utterly pointless.

Note that none of what I'm saying here is a comment on the amount of money Spotify pays out to artists as that might well be awful and need revisiting. That entire point though could be, and indeed was, made in a single sentence without all the self-aggrandising bullshit and idiotic comparisons attached to it.


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Spotify doesn't pay artists, it pays labels - and it negotiates with each one, so there's no "this is how much they pay per stream".

However, it almost certainly isn't very much.

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Whilst there isn’t a set figure, they don’t vary by that much from what I have heard (well, they do in percentage terms but not in real cash terms so you could argue either way).

Spotify and its ilk are set up to benefit the consumers at the expense of the average artist. There are exceptions who break out because of these platforms, of course, but on the whole the amount of money most acts make from sales+streams is way down. I do feel kind of bad about it, but I do go to a lot of live shows to try to support the smaller acts I care about.

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That entire point though could be, and indeed was, made in a single sentence without all the self-aggrandising bullshit and idiotic comparisons attached to it.

Agreed.

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Whilst there isn’t a set figure, they don’t vary by that much from what I have heard (well, they do in percentage terms but not in real cash terms so you could argue either way).

Spotify and its ilk are set up to benefit the consumers at the expense of the average artist. There are exceptions who break out because of these platforms, of course, but on the whole the amount of money most acts make from sales+streams is way down. I do feel kind of bad about it, but I do go to a lot of live shows to try to support the smaller acts I care about.


There were many labels that weren't on Spotify before (e.g. Profound Lore, Century Media) because they felt what Spotify paid wasn't fair.

The problem is that Spotify is so ubiquitous now, that even if they pay next to nothing, it's still in the labels best interest to be there, like in the case of the above labels that got in recently. It's a free market, and I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share, but even so i'd rather if Spotify is winning instead of Google or Apple.


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It's a free market, and I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share, but even so i'd rather if Spotify is winning instead of Google or Apple.


There are certainly plenty of alternatives, though whether they pay better or are viable by your definition I couldn't speak to.


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I use bandcamp every now and then, and even bought music there. But it's mostly very few indie labels are artists selling and streaming directly to their audience. It's a good service and idea but their catalogue isn't very extensive. And some labels really don't know how digital is supposed to work when they want to charge me 15€ for an album.

This label, really knows how to do it:

https://blood-music.bandcamp.com/

Every album is on a "pay what you want" scheme they have some lovely merchandise and limited editions of vinyl and cd's to sell.


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I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share

Won't somebody think of the uber-rich?!

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I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share

Won't somebody think of the uber-rich?!


Well, the vast majority of musicians are not uber-rich.

I don’t think anyone is worried about Metallica or Taylor Swift becoming poor, but for acts that would sell far fewer records, streaming is way less profitable.

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I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share

Won't somebody think of the uber-rich?!


Are you genuinely suggesting that all musicians are really rich? Hell, even if they were, why shouldn't they receive a rightful share of the earnings their work generates?


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I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share

Won't somebody think of the uber-rich?!


Well, the vast majority of musicians are not uber-rich.

The non-rich ones have the most to gain from being on Spotify in non-£££ terms.

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I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share

Won't somebody think of the uber-rich?!


Well, the vast majority of musicians are not uber-rich.

The non-rich ones have the most to gain from being on Spotify in non-£££ terms.


I’m sure that their landlords will happily take non-£££ as payment.

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I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share

Won't somebody think of the uber-rich?!


Well, the vast majority of musicians are not uber-rich.

The non-rich ones have the most to gain from being on Spotify in non-£££ terms.


I’m sure that their landlords will happily take non-£££ as payment.


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Not convinced that applies directly. Exposure to listeners on Spotify directly equals cash, doesn't it? Unlike the idea of a writer being potentially exposed to people who might possibly one day commission them to do work in the future.

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I wish some viable alternative happens that gives musicians their rightful share

Won't somebody think of the uber-rich?!


Well, the vast majority of musicians are not uber-rich.

The non-rich ones have the most to gain from being on Spotify in non-£££ terms.


I’m sure that their landlords will happily take non-£££ as payment.

Well, that's the question isn't it? Do musicians who aren't rolling in money get less money because they're on Spotify than if they weren't? There are several (hell, hundreds) of artists I've found through Spotify which I'd never have done otherwise, so they made a (tiny) gain that they wouldn't have got if they weren't on there.

But then someone might not buy their CD because they're on Spotify.

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Does anyone have any idea of approximately what % of our tenner a month goes to artists and how much Spotify just keep? And how that compares to CDs or whatever?


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Again, Spotify don't pay artists. You either get featured through your label (who may also take a cut of the Spotify $) or via a few third parties like https://www.dittomusic.com .

It used to be that if you want to support the artist you go to a gig, but I don't know how true that is nowadays.

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It used to be that if you want to support the artist you go to a gig, but I don't know how true that is nowadays.


Also: buying merch.


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Again, Spotify don't pay artists. You either get featured through your label (who may also take a cut of the Spotify $) or via a few third parties like https://www.dittomusic.com .

It used to be that if you want to support the artist you go to a gig, but I don't know how true that is nowadays.


I don’t have any numbers to hand, but the current market is VERY much geared to making money from touring, and less through record sales or streaming. There are exceptions, but touring is where most make their money.

One knock on is that contingency insurance is going through significant expansion to deal with all the extra tours (and the sheer size of the big ones like Adele, Ed Sheeran et al).

Most ‘lesser known’ artists I have seen opine on it are generally a bit pissed off with the revenue from Spotify and the rest, but there’s not a lot they can do about it; they need to be on there now as it’s how a significant portion of their audience will find them.

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That sounds very similar to a book I read about what bands thought about the rise of music radio (and specifically home taping), and then again with MTV (and, of course, they survived).

Fucked if I can remember what it was called, it was really good. I'll give it some thought.

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How it compares to CDs: most artists got fuck all from CDs anyway. Now, I'm wondering how much of the streaming money the artists actually see if it goes through record companies first.


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How it compares to CDs: most artists got fuck all from CDs anyway. Now, I'm wondering how much of the streaming money the artists actually see if it goes through record companies first.


And, of course, small struggling artists wouldn't have got a CD onto the shelves of the likes of HMV.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 21:11 
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https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2017/0 ... -for-2017/

List of what some of the streaming services pay, interestingly all of them lose money.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
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Good grief. If Spotify is $600million in debt, how the hell does it keep going? How do ANY of them keep going?

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Good grief. If Spotify is $600million in debt, how the hell does it keep going? How do ANY of them keep going?


It's not about making money and more. It's about eating VC funding until you get bought by somebody.

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Warhead wrote:
Good grief. If Spotify is $600million in debt, how the hell does it keep going? How do ANY of them keep going?


It's not about making money and more. It's about eating VC funding until you get bought by somebody.


Can confirm.

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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
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Since upgrading to Spotify premium, I have completely stopped 'borrowing' music from 'friends'.

I'm happy to pay for the convenience of accessing music easily, wherever I am (offline availability is a big plus). The playlists, recommendations & suggestions are nice features to help mix it up a bit.


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 Post subject: Re: Spotify - Free music streaming thingy
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I too have ceased the borrowing of music, but due to Google Play premium (which my brother pays for ;) )


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