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Well, everyone has one!

Anyway, have a listen to this MP3 file. Don't worry, it is safe for work.

Can you guess where or when it was recorded. I'm not looking for specifics, just general impressions.

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Almost.

Our front room, 2am. The noise is coming from next door.

Through a brick wall, plasterboard, six inches of foam padding, another plasterboard, another six inches of foam padding and another plasterboard. The music started at 10.30pm and finished sometime around 8am. The blog we use to track these.... FUCKING WANKERS has over 80 entries. Can we get the Council to, a-ha, listen?

I've had about three hours sleep and I want to cry/scream.

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See here hopefully it is of some help. Look for what High Sierra says.

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ok, going to the council is going to do you no good at all unless you can provide evidence. Saying that they are being noisy is no good - you have to prove it.


Talk to the Noise Abatement officer (there will be one) and get their advice.

Good things to do:

1) Record noise wherever possible
2) ONLY EVER VIDEO IF YOU CAN DO SO WITHOUT THEM SEEING YOU
3) NEver ever ever ever give these people a reason to hate you until its too late for them to do anything about it. You should be nothing but polite to them.
4) Pad of paper, pen. note down the time and date, add a short description of whats going on.
5) Get a sound meter and record the sound level as well.


doing all of this builds your case against them. If you have no evidence to then you are going to get nowhere.

You should also keep an eye out for rubbish in their garden or inappropriate use of the grounds- such as selling cars because going down the Health and Safety/ Environmental Health route is always good. And it will fuck them quicker than you can say ASBO.
If any of the kids have bruises, phone social services and say that you think the kids are being abused.

whatever you do, do NOT let them know what you are doing. If they find out they will go out of their way to make your life hell.

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Really sorry to hear that, Plisskin - horrid neighbours can ruin your life - I have the same problems with the people in the flat underneath mine, and I have cried myself to eventual sleep at 5am a few times.

I have no advice I am afraid, as the council and police are as unwilling to do anything about it as you can possibly imagine - despite there being noise pollution posters up all around the town hall and the surrounding streets.

I can only imagine it is best to keep recording, build a case and then force the authorities to do something about it that way.

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What do the council say?


They say "Have you tried talking to him?"
We say "Yes. And he was abusive. And he's got a rifle on the wall with a 12inch bayonet."
They say "Well you really should go around and talk to him."
We say "We tried that. He threatened us."
They say "We think you should talk to them again."
We say "But..."
They say "We went around and there was no answer."
We say "Yes, because they were both passed out in a drunken stupor. Did you hear the kids running around? They should have been at school."
They say "Then it is a Social Services matter. Here is the number..."

We've had the police go around. The other residents have informed Social Services (one day at school, the kids were held back because the mother who was picking them up was totally paralytic and barely able to walk.) The teachers have informed the council. He had two untaxed vehicles on his front garden. The DVLA were informed by four different people. He was running the kids in an untaxed, uninsured vehicle - which he had bought off another parent at the school. She kept getting warning letters (he hadn't registered the transfer of ownership) despite ringing up and telling them she wasn't the owner and exactly where to find the car.

DVLA
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Talked to them all. Only one I can't talk to the the Department Of Actually Fucking Doing Something About It.

Edit: Oh and we should fill in one of their log forms. Our blog, with 80 entries on it in the past four months, isn't good enough.

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Do you live in London, mate? If so, I can get Social Services to look a bit harder.

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Shut it, you slag, or the next time you pay for 2 hours parking it'll only dispense a ticket for 1.

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I can picture Grim... turning up at the council offices with a couple of bat-wielding goons behind him, whilst he plays with a lighter. "Lovely offices you have here Councilor. Shame if something were to 'happen' to them..."


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Stockport.

Having said that, when the Krays got pulled in by the plod, a fairly distant relative of mine was rounded up as well. Always wanted to find out which one. And the one that stops us emigrating to Australia, due to having pulled off a big diamond heist in the 1930s. I would have thought a decent criminal or two in the family was a qualification for Australian citizenship.

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Hmm. Well, I'll see what I can do anyway.
Can't you send a couple of big mates around for a 'chat'?

In fact, that could be the first official BeEx outing - threatening Plissken's neighbour :D

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If you could arrange it for the next few weeks when I'm off on honeymoon, then I've got a good alibi.

Or course you'll all want to ransack the house, as I'm away.

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Plissken wrote:
the one that stops us emigrating to Australia, due to having pulled off a big diamond heist in the 1930s. I would have thought a decent criminal or two in the family was a qualification for Australian citizenship.


Is that true, that something a distant relative may have done before you were even born, can stop you from emigrating?
How far back do they look for stuff like this?

The only thing in my family (that I know of!) is some distant relative being done for fraud after selling dodgy whiskey in an investment scam.


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Stockport Plisky? I'm only down the road, and I have a heavy lump of wood that hasn't been smashed into anything for a while.

Seriously though, that sucks. I'd have set them all on fire long ago.

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Is that true, that something a distant relative may have done before you were even born, can stop you from emigrating?
How far back do they look for stuff like this?


Dunno. But my aunt tried to emigrate in the 80s and got turned down because of it. My grandad was from the East End, but he died when I was 6. I rather suspect he had a few stories or two that I never got to find out.

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You don't need road tax to park off the road. You need to SORN, but neighbours on a mission won't know if that's been applied for.


True. But two untaxed vehicles being driven regularly. When you can phone up the DVLA and say "the car is going to be a X school, at 3.30pm, picking up two kids, it isn't taxed, isn't registered properly and in all likelihood uninsured and he's picking up schoolkids" and they still won't go and have a look...

It is like nailing jelly to a wall.

However, I may have made a small breakthrough. Have set up a view only password to the online blog for someone in the Council to have a read.

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And the one that stops us emigrating to Australia, due to having pulled off a big diamond heist in the 1930s.
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When you can phone up the DVLA and say "the car is going to be a X school, at 3.30pm, picking up two kids, it isn't taxed, isn't registered properly and in all likelihood uninsured and he's picking up schoolkids" and they still won't go and have a look...

And the police aren't interested?

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Difficult to say. My brother in law recently had a bit of an issue with his ex regarding the kids. He's got custody/residency of the two boys and she has visitation rights every other weekend and 1 day in the week. Court appointed order etc, cost him 23 grand in legal fees. For the last 3 weeks she's kept the youngest off school the day after her mid week evening/night with them, as he's "ill". When he's returned home he's been fine, in fact, he's bouncing off the walls he's so hyper and full of energy. She did it again last night and sent a text message saying "Don't bother trying to find us, you never will". He phoned the police and gave details of her mental issues in the past, her threatening to kill the kids when they were babies, court orders etc. They said "domestic matter, we can't get involved". Fucking useless.

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When you can phone up the DVLA and say "the car is going to be a X school, at 3.30pm, picking up two kids, it isn't taxed, isn't registered properly and in all likelihood uninsured and he's picking up schoolkids" and they still won't go and have a look...

And the police aren't interested?


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Have you tried the CAB? They often know how to cut through the red tape and get things moving, especially when it comes to dealing with big institutions like the Council. They'll almost certainly have contacts there, and know who to speak to on an individual level, as opposed to due to their position in the general apparatus.

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Yep. Got a list of numbers... which we've tried.

Going to phone the Anti-Social Behaviour Unit again in a few minutes...

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Nope.


Have you told them about the bomb factory?

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... "Don't bother trying to find us, you never will". He phoned the police and gave details of her mental issues in the past, her threatening to kill the kids when they were babies, court orders etc. They said "domestic matter, we can't get involved". Fucking useless.


That's fucking crazy.

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She did it again last night and sent a text message saying "Don't bother trying to find us, you never will". He phoned the police and gave details of her mental issues in the past, her threatening to kill the kids when they were babies, court orders etc. They said "domestic matter, we can't get involved". Fucking useless.

Now that's defiantly a matter social services will (should) take seriously.

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Yep. Got a list of numbers... which we've tried.

Going to phone the Anti-Social Behaviour Unit again in a few minutes...


There was a wonderful advert I saw recently for a job. It was 'Anti-Social Behaviour Co-Ordinator' so i had a mental images of me standing clipboard in hand with a group of kids saying "Right, lads, we've got throwing stones at the church at 11am, bus shelter smashing at noon, spot of lunch and some drinks outside the Co-Op at 1pm, and spitting at pensioners from 2 while 4"

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I'm sticking with the 'Set them on fire' tip.

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Could this be one of those things that writing to your MP could help with? I've heard that getting them to stick their beak in can really hurry along apathetic councils. Also, whilst filling in all the crap forms might be a pain, it might give them one less excuse to fob you off with.

Otherwise, I'm going to have to join the people recommending fire. Brutal and excessive retaliation is the only other option.


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If you could arrange it for the next few weeks when I'm off on honeymoon, then I've got a good alibi.

Or course you'll all want to ransack the house, as I'm away.

We'll come round and have mad BETEO parties, tires screeching into the small hours etc...

Also, get the local paper involved if your counsellor won't help, it'll give them a kick up the arse too as they won't like the bad press.

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Sorted, BETEO meet round Plissken's place in a couple of weeks. I hope he's got a good telly.

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Sorted, BETEO meet round Plissken's place in a couple of weeks. I hope he's got a good telly.


Ha! No. I've only got a 21".

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Once the wedding and all that is out of the way, and things settle down, then I intend getting a proper telly. But anything over 30" would look terribly silly in the living room.

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Me too - i will bring momkey and we can all play singstat!

That sounds heavenly. May I inquire, does any version of singstar have 'Baby Got Back' on it? *hopeful*

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That sounds heavenly. May I inquire, does any version of singstar have 'Baby Got Back' on it? *hopeful*

It's on Singstar 90's. :)

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:o Really? I might actually have to get a PS2 now!

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Not checked for the cheapest though.

I'm selling my PS2, but I don't know what the postage would be like on it.

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You are using the 'Ted' forum. Bill doesn't really exist any more. Bogus!
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RIP, Owen. RIP, MrC.

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