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| Author: | Tmuk [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Jonathan Ross, Russell Brand, Andrew Sachs |
This seems to be developing into quite a big story, and I'm naturally predisposed to hate Jonathan Ross, but does anyone know what was actually said? I love a good prank phone call, but I think it's easy to take things too far, especially when dealing with an elderly chap like Andrew Sachs. |
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| Author: | markg [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jonathan Ross, Russle Brand, Andrew Sachs |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U7IHJ66wj9g http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxPkcnlyNM |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jonathan Ross, Russle Brand, Andrew Sachs |
Kay? |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:06 ] |
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Brand was on the Radio 1 breakfast show on Wednesday or something last week, and there was a jokey mention of it then, but it clearly hadn't turned into a major shit storm by that point. But it has now - it was discussed on Today for about 15 minutes this morning! I haven't heard it yet so I won't comment but I do wonder how many of the complainants (of which there are quite a lot apparently) were actually listening to the show live when it happened? |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:06 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jonathan Ross, Russle Brand, Andrew Sachs |
davpaz wrote: Kay? Que? |
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| Author: | Tmuk [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jonathan Ross, Russle Brand, Andrew Sachs |
I'm trying to listen though it but it's pretty much unbearably embarrassing. RB and JR are coming across as a pair of children who've drunk too much Panda Pop, and there's TEN MINUTES of this... |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:10 ] |
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Well it is Radio 2. You have to be drunk or senile to be on air. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:10 ] |
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kalmar wrote: davpaz wrote: Kay? Que? Que? |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:11 ] |
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'K. |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:13 ] |
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| Author: | Cras [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:16 ] |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:17 ] |
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Woah, he's used the 'Nazi' defence! http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oc ... lty-towers |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:19 ] |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:21 ] |
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The worst thing about those calls were that they WEREN'T IN THE LEAST BIT FUNNY, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING BRAND HAS EVER DONE. That is all. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:24 ] |
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Except 'Forgetting Sarah Marshall'. |
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| Author: | Scarysheep3000 [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:26 ] |
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Lord Chris wrote: The worst thing about those calls were that they WEREN'T IN THE LEAST BIT FUNNY, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING BRAND HAS EVER DONE. That is all.  He am a twat. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:31 ] |
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I can't believe this is still news. I bet his audience figures go up though. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 15:35 ] |
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His People that write to the Sun makes me smile. |
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| Author: | Tmuk [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:06 ] |
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I quite like Russle Brand's stand up stuff, but he's been a right dick over this. First the least sincere apology ever, and now he's trying to sidestep the whole issue by accusing the Daily Mail of nazism? It's a pretty sad state of affairs when someone doesn't have the strength of personality to just hold their hands up and humbly apologise. I reckon he's digging himself a bit of a hole here. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:11 ] |
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Tmuk wrote: I quite like Russle Brand's stand up stuff, but he's been a right dick over this. First the least sincere apology ever, and now he's trying to sidestep the whole issue by accusing the Daily Mail of nazism? It's a pretty sad state of affairs when someone doesn't have the strength of personality to just hold their hands up and humbly apologise. I reckon he's digging himself a bit of a hole here. I wouldn't worry, he'll come up with a final solution to the problem and then it'll all get buried. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:24 ] |
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Lord Chris wrote: The worst thing about those calls were that they WEREN'T IN THE LEAST BIT FUNNY, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING BRAND HAS EVER DONE. That is all.
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| Author: | chinnyhill10 [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:37 ] |
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You see, what he should have done is call Richard Littlejohn a (very nice chap - Ed) instead of insulting some actor nobody who is only famous for being a comedy prop for John Cleese. But lets remember, it was a recorded show. Somebody should have said "whoah better not let that go out". In fact word is that it was edited down anyway so someone has shown very poor judgement. |
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| Author: | RuySan [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:38 ] |
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he was very funny in "forgetting sarah marshall" ("it sounded like a gothic Neil Diamond", "i was about to listen to it....but i carried on with my life instead"), but that's all i've seen of him |
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| Author: | Tmuk [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:44 ] |
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chinnyhill10 wrote: ....instead of insulting some actor nobody who is only famous for being a comedy prop for John Cleese. What?! That's Manuel you're talking about! I thought he was terrific. |
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| Author: | Shin [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:50 ] |
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Is hamster, is not rat! I love Fawlty Towers 
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:54 ] |
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I can;t stand prank calls, they have been done to death now |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 16:57 ] |
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Kovacs Caprios wrote: I can;t stand prank calls, they have been done to death now I dunno, as tired as a lot of them are, some of them are fried gold: |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:04 ] |
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And must surely be illegal given that it's (supposedly) illegal to record phone calls without the other person's knowledge or consent. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:08 ] |
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GazChap wrote: And must surely be illegal given that it's (supposedly) illegal to record phone calls without the other person's knowledge or consent. I believe (legal sub please check) that it's not illegal in the UK, but that recordings made without the other parties consent are not admissable in court for any reason.
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:10 ] |
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If you want to use it in a court of law. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:11 ] |
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Curses. Beaten by the good Doctor. Bad court thingy! |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:14 ] |
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Fair enough. I am re-edumacated. I'm reminded of the headline when Ian Blair was done for tapping Prince Charles' phones. "Top Cop in Prince Tap Rap" or something. |
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| Author: | chinnyhill10 [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:14 ] |
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Kovacs Caprios wrote: I can;t stand prank calls, they have been done to death now Nobody will top Victor Lewis Smith anyway: And finally: |
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| Author: | Tmuk [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:22 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jonathan Ross, Russle Brand, Andrew Sachs |
Oh go on then. Charlie Brooker pranks BMG. Can't remember if I've already posted this: |
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| Author: | Curiosity [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 17:45 ] |
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Prank calls. Talk to me. |
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| Author: | myp [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 18:06 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Kovacs Caprios wrote: I can;t stand prank calls, they have been done to death now I dunno, as tired as a lot of them are, some of them are fried gold:That was funny until it got silly with the 'flaming homosexual' bit. |
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 18:17 ] |
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I couldn't really listen to that Charlie Brooker one. i just felt sorry for the poor guy at BMG. Not so much pranking, as just genuinely being annoying. The VLS ones on the other hand were great. |
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| Author: | Tmuk [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 18:41 ] |
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Mr Russ wrote: I couldn't really listen to that Charlie Brooker one. i just felt sorry for the poor guy at BMG. Not so much pranking, as just genuinely being annoying. The VLS ones on the other hand were great. That's funny, I thought they were shit. |
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| Author: | GovernmentYard [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 19:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jonathan Ross, Russle Brand, Andrew Sachs |
Tmuk wrote: accusing the Daily Mail of nazism You can't accuse The Mail of Nazism any more than you can accuse Jenna Jameson of having a vagina, some things are just facts. And in both the abovementioned cases, we've all seen it. |
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| Author: | Agent Starling [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 19:22 ] |
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I hate all prank calls and anything of that nature. As for Brand and Ross, they're just a pair of unfunny pricks. |
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| Author: | chinnyhill10 [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 19:41 ] |
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The BBC has now had more than 10,000 complaints. I wonder how many of those came in before the transcript was published? To put this in context, this isn't last Saturdays show we are talking about but the show from the Saturday before. Meanwhile everyone has suddenly found out that Sachs hadn't died years ago. Hmmmm. If I was cynical I would suggest it was his manager who had alerted the press. Brand and Ross were out of order but this is now being manipulated. |
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| Author: | Agent Starling [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 19:44 ] |
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chinnyhill10 wrote: Hmmmm. If I was cynical I would suggest it was his manager who had alerted the press. Quite likely, though for me, it doesn't change much at all. They still did what they did, and why shouldn't he (Sachs) make a fuss about it. |
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| Author: | Da5e [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 19:57 ] |
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Perhaps Sachs ought to have answered his phone, as they had arranged. Brand has left ludicrous answerphone messages for people on-air before. Also, why isn't anyone from the Mail mentioning the Satanic Sluts? |
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| Author: | chinnyhill10 [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 20:03 ] |
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Agent Starling wrote: chinnyhill10 wrote: Hmmmm. If I was cynical I would suggest it was his manager who had alerted the press. Quite likely, though for me, it doesn't change much at all. They still did what they did, and why shouldn't he (Sachs) make a fuss about it. Quite right. It should never have happened and the producer responsible for letting it go out in the final edit needs shooting. I'm reminded of when I worked at a BBC local as a lowly freelance Broadcast Assistant. One of my chores was putting together a promo for the next days breakfast show. You had a standard piece of music with an in and out, and you'd select a witty clip to entice people to listen to tomorrows camp shite babbling show. I say "witty", but the reality was "as good as you could get" as most of the show was amusing as being born dead with cancer. When I wasn't doing the gig (i.e someone else did it) I heard some extrodinarly poor choices of clip. But nothing will top the day when the breakfast producer ordered me to put a clip of a man talking about his dead brother on the promo (the interviewee was the brother of that young England cricketer who died a few years back). I protested saying that this would not entice people to listen and putting it over a jolly music bed would be in poor taste. I was told to "just do it, I'm the producer". Fair enough, I thought. The promo had to start going out in half hour so no time for pissing around. The promo went out. Station controller bursts into the studio I was in and asks me what the hell was going on. I explained. He then pulls in the show producer, gives him a dressing down and informs him that from now on the only person having a say in the content of the breakfast promo was me. And I'm afraid the BBC is full of people like that. Feckless clueless individuals who can't relate to jack shit and don't think about the consequences. I also strongly suspect that (from what I hear) Mr B is not easy to work with so he's probably got some spineless yes man acting as show producer. Keep an eye on this weeks Popbitch newsletter because I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye. |
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| Author: | ltia [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 20:51 ] |
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They were idiots, yes, but the whole Daily Mail/Nazi thing needs to be bought up much more often. At least he's putting his twattery to good use. LTIA |
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| Author: | The Egg [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 21:02 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Jonathan Ross, Russle Brand, Andrew Sachs |
Dear Gordie Broon, Errrrmmm . . .Don't you have something more important to be getting on with rather than sticking your beak into some bollocks about two clowns being rude to an old man? I appreciate that I may have simplified this a touch but the Prime-fucking-minister?! For fuck's sake, piss off and do something useful you cunt. Thank you |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 21:09 ] |
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chinnyhill10 wrote: I wonder how many of those came in before the transcript was published? To put this in context, this isn't last Saturdays show we are talking about but the show from the Saturday before. According to the Radio 4 program I was listening to earlier, it was just three or four complaints received last week -- and none of them about the Sachs bit.chinnyhill10 wrote: Quite right. It should never have happened and the producer responsible for letting it go out in the final edit needs shooting. I totally agree with this. I don't think there's any debate to be had about whether this was in bad taste; I can only see two semi-defences. One, if it had at least been funny, some people would have mixed feelings, probably enough to blunt the edge of the criticism. Two, if it had been ad-libbed (and the apologies sincere), at least they could use that as a defence.
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| Author: | Dudley [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 21:24 ] |
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Agent Starling wrote: I hate all prank calls and anything of that nature. Davidd Grimm wrote: Perhaps Sachs ought to have answered his phone, as they had arranged. And this, they didn't call him randomly, they called him because an interview had been arranged which he skipped out on. Presumably if HIGNFY had done the tub of lard thing recently you'd all want it cancelled too. Yes, they were cunts but approximately 25% as much as those who won't shut the fuck up about it. |
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| Author: | Satsuma [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 22:34 ] |
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Oh no, we wouldn't like to hurt anyones feelings these days would we? Who gives a flying fuck about this piece of none-news... For the record, I love Brand's podcasts though. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Tue Oct 28, 2008 23:45 ] |
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Ian Aris wrote: Oh no, we wouldn't like to hurt anyones feelings these days would we? Who gives a flying fuck about this piece of none-news... For the record, I love Brand's podcasts though. I don't think it was all about just hurting feelings, there was no need to do it, it was not funny.... if you do a comedy show be fucking funny.. |
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