When the centurions shoot the other cylons, the sound effect has been lifted from the bit in Aliens where Ripely shoots all the eggs. I'll upload some exciting video tomorrow

Centurion cleaning up with a bloody rag reduced from revolutionary ally to cleaning duty in the blink of an eye

Starbuck has sex with men and Apollo doesn't fly spaceships any more.

Athena!

I liked the way Beth (is that her name?) died. *donk*

So out of the final four I find Tryol (the engineer) the most interesting because of the whole Eye of Jupiter thing. He "knew" where it was. I can't think of any moments the others had that was like (or have I forgotten something?) That coupled with the 7 saying that the 5 know the way to earth means that he has memories of the journey the 13th tribe took.

Secondly on the base ship one of the Boomer models (I forget their number) took the memories of the Agathon model. So that implies that Tryol could have got the memories like that when he was made.

Obviously because I'm a big-o atheist I'm hoping the conclusion doesn't actually have a "God is real LOL" style conclusion (or a wanky open-to-interpretation one) and so that view point is colouring my views, but it seems clear that the Humans polytheistic religion and Cylons Monotheistic religion are both based on corruptions of same actual events. And both indicate that these events are cyclic.

Assuming that their Earth is our Earth, and that Human life did evolve here, then rather than being the 13th tribe then Kobol isn't Humanities original home. According to wikipedia:



So I would say that the Gods were Cylons (probably the Final 5) - humans and cylons colonised Kobol and lived in peace after leaving earth (in our future, and BSG distant, distant past). The "jealous" god (the final cylon?) caused a conflict and the humans all left.

It makes sense that an isolationist group would say "fuck all this - lets go back to earth" cut all ties with the others and fuck off.

And on top of that we have a Human/Original 7 Cyclon baby and a Human/Final Five Cylon baby so interbreeding is possible. And so on Kobol where humans and cylons lived in harmony you would expect *lots* of inbreeding. Maybe the Angry Kobol God (and now Cylon God) was angered by this impurity and that caused the split.

So everyone is a hybrid to some extent. That would explain The Presidents visions and maybe even Starbuck.

But didn't the 12 colonies make the cylons? In a case of reiventing the wheel the 12 colonies remade the tinpot men - who we exploited as slaves. They rebelled and then pissed off into the galaxy to become free. We assume they bootstrapped themselves up into the 7 models. But I don't think they did. I think when exploring the galaxy (maybe whilst looking for their Cylon God(s) they found the 7 who re-enslaved them. That would tie into the Animal Farm style moments of the rebellion. (And would lead to the real innocents of the show turning out to be the Tinpot Cylons)

Going off the deep end even more, there are references to the journey to earth being a process that keeps repeating, so maybe we on Earth practically destroyed ourselves (and earths enviroment) so much so that we could only keep ourselves alive via increasing mechanised cloning or something, becoming more and more mechanical and cylon like). As such we went to live out in space. But maybe we buried a subroutine/desire to "will" ourselves back to earth every few thousand years to check to see if it is habitable yet.

Which would go some way to explain why the religious text of the colonies details what the people who left them did - which assumes they came back.

Addition So in summary I think that because of the Jupiter temple and the Final Five knowing about it implies that at least in some respects the four are the caretakers or routemasters of earth. Sleepers periodically sent back to the colonies to 'encourage' the humans and cylons to come back to earth and "make up."

The fifth Cylon doesn't want that happen maybe and is the angry God of Kobol.

If Baltar was one of the five then he would have destroyed the colonies to 'force' them to come back and make up. Or he could be the Fifth Cylon/Angry God figure. Still he is a bit obvious as a choice...

As far as this ressurection hub business goes, even if the one that is floating around space is destroyed, why is that the end of cylons everywhere? Presumably they can build another hub, and what about all the cylons back on the original planets of the 12 colonies?

Are we supposed to believe that all the cylons are now in space and relying on one ressurection ship? It's just NOT EXPLAINED WELL ENOUGH.

The President is being a complete dick a lot of the time and especially as the humans show no remorse for enslaving the tin can cylons. After all in season 4
once they've been given back their free will the tin can cylons have been the purest "goodist" faction in the show. Acting altruistically to protect the raiders and the hive minds.

I think Baltars conversation with them will bring about an important change

The Cylons are aware of "the plan", or the cyclic nature of their history, and keep trying to nudge it along. However - as machines with child-like inexperience of human nature - they keep getting it wrong. So, they know that they are eventually destined to live in harmony with humanity, so settle on New Caprica and try to enforce peace. They understand the plan literally, but don't understand how to achieve it. Moreover, I don't think they're supposed to try to force events along. Destiny takes its course without intelligent intervention.

Though I like stylistically the idea of fragments religous histories making people war when otherwise they wouldn't. So I would only keep it as partial recollection.

Wasting some time on wikipedia it appears in the Razor movie that I haven't seen it implies that ship hybrids were the step between tin can and the 7 - so maybe the tin cans (I've forgotten what they are properly called) did make the human models.

I actually feel really bad for the metal cylons now. Poor fuckers manage to escape their creators and their slaverly then promptly become creators themselves and so get enslaved again.

Poor bastards.

The adventures of the human survivors, since day one, has been increasingly like the search for a holy land of their own, most obviously. Not able to stick around for too long before their oppressors turn up and move them on. And! The first episode is titled '33'. I realise this might not seem significant, but I think it's as significant as All Along The Watchtower playing, and the 'This has all happened before, this will all happen again' theme throughout all of BSG. Symbolism, but no direct mapping e.g. I'm glad Roslin's surname isn't Pilate...

The only thing that's thrown a spanner in my theories thus far is the death of Beth. Then again, Bethlehem has already born forth its special child. Eh? Eh?

Baltar. Injured. Splayed out, dying from the gaping wound inflicted in his side by a centurion. O RLY!!!??

I love series 4!

I do wonder where they are going to go with this scorched earth tho