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Outpost Gallifrey yesterday, probably: We the fans demand Kate O'Mara back as the Rani despite her being old and rubbish and unbearably camp, and the character being no great shakes either. But still, RTD HEAR OUR DEMANDS! If you can't get her than cast [insert unsuitable light entertainment figure, like Lulu, or ludicrous pipe dream, like Uma Thurman].

Of course, once you've got into a discussion about how they can bring back McGann, you know you'd be better off being nursed and discussing it in tedious detail over at Outpost Gallifrey.

*Although in the dream I ended up cursing it and being embarassed to leave my house, so perhaps it was all some kind of awful metaphor.

I'd be lynched for my views on the new series. In ye olden days I posted a review of the 1996 movie on usenet after transmission and got slaughtered for being critical. Oddly enough what I said in that review is now the generally held view on that movie.

chinnyhill10 wrote:

I think the reason I don't really feel like a Doctor Who fan despite being one by any reasonable definition is because of things like that. It's not just the new series; often it feels like you have to have a huge number of pre-prescribed opinions about the show to talk to Fans-with-a-capital-F which I just don't have.

The thread on Outpost Gallifrey where they all mock a former Doctor Who writer for his (admittedly rather left-field) views on one of the New-Who episodes, then suggest that he's lying about his health condition when it emerges he has serious mental health problems, is probably the most horrible thread I've ever seen on the internet.

That all sounds amazing. It almost makes me wish I was ten years older than I am, which is a depressing thing to wish.

Which thread was this? I only tend to skim read most stuff in there (and avoid several of the forums entirely).

It is, in fairness, years old. I found it on Wikipedia while I was trying to access the cached archives of Lawrence Miles' old blog, as what I've found is amazing in a kind of hideous-yet-oddly-endearing-car-crash of a sense. Which isn't to say I'm reading them to laugh at them by any means; they're often very interesting and insightful, just in possibly the most painful way imaginable. I'm astounded that thread wasn't locked after the "updated review" was posted there; it's only then things get really bad.

Interesting tactic he uses ... claims he's a schizophrenic. No doubt other critics and debaters will use that one from now on: "don't mind me! I'm a schizophrenic/ I'm suffering from Tourettes Syndrome blah blah blah excuse blah oooh look I'm a martyr see? Arse! I hate you and so does my other 'arf blah blah"

The old quotefiles are here:

http://www.geocities.com/radwquotefile/

Even I can't remember some of the jokes but some of the names are interesting. Scroll down abit as the 2002 stuff is at the top and it was shit by then.

Ye gods that brings back memories. If only because I edited one of those.

I'm not sure about McGann as the 11th Doctor, but how about a mini-series on the Time Wars?

If you are Robert Smith? I will have to hunt you down and kill you.

If you are Yads I'll drop Napalm on your entire town.

I've got quite a few quotes in the quotefiles.

Still, raise a glass to the old days. Before it all fucked up in the moderation wars.

Really enjoyed that, lot of returning things, but all done really well. I'm liking Donna more and more every week. Saw the probic vent thing coming but still cheereed when it happened.

I laughed at one of the decorations on the Sontaran ship, which looked for all the world like a 360 power button complete with LEDs. If one of them goes red next week, I may die laughing.

I am also hoping for a Martha/EvilMartha fight, possibly in the goop.

Anyone noticed that the Sonic Deus-Ex-Machinadriver isn't working as well this series? It gives me hope... it really does.

Quite. The Doctor must have the only item of sonic wave emitting gubbins in existence that can't shatter a car window.

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Quite. The Doctor must have the only item of sonic wave emitting gubbins in existence that can't shatter a car window.

Yeah, we're all getting sick to death of him pulling the blasted thing out of his arse every time he's in a tight spot, but when a situation arises when he could logically use it, he keeps it in his pocket.

My prediction is that the gas is non-fatal and meant to do something else - either to do with terraforming or to somehow give the Sontarans a battlefield advantage.

Ian Osborne wrote:

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Quite. The Doctor must have the only item of sonic wave emitting gubbins in existence that can't shatter a car window.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_YK5cKn0g - 52 seconds in. Best thing JNT contributed to the entire 1980's run IMO.

My prediction is that the gas is non-fatal and meant to do something else - either to do with terraforming or to somehow give the Sontarans a battlefield advantage. Perhaps the gas is designed to react with explosive yields and nukes? Perhaps they're going to try and force Earth into deploying nukes, and the new type of gas does something with it?

Hopefully not mind control gas though. That's been done to death.

Producer: "We've run out of budget!"

RTD: "Deploy the story-zombies!"

It was clone gas! Albiet clone gas that at 80% concentration kills humans. The Sontarans breed by cloning, and the clone gas enables them to do so quickly and efficiently. They wanted to turn Earth into a hatchery so they could make billions more warriors and continue their war against the Zutons - er, Rutons.

I'm not sure the plot made any sense, but it was glorious fun!

That said, I wish they would stop with the whole, "I am the doctor, and I will kill myself to save everyone" thing. We all know he isn't going to die, it is only episode 5 FFS, I have seen the TV listings.

Author:	Morte [ Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:04 ]
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And have we forgotten Romana's regeneration where she 'tried on' different forms before settling on the lovely Lalla Ward's form?

Author:	Daniel [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 0:45 ]
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Of course, once you've got into a discussion about how they can bring back McGann, you know you'd be better off being nursed and discussing it in tedious detail over at Outpost Gallifrey.

Author:	NervousPete [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 0:53 ]
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ARGH! Outpost Gallifrey! Quote: Outpost Gallifrey yesterday, probably: We the fans demand Kate O'Mara back as the Rani despite her being old and rubbish and unbearably camp, and the character being no great shakes either. But still, RTD HEAR OUR DEMANDS! If you can't get her than cast [insert unsuitable light entertainment figure, like Lulu, or ludicrous pipe dream, like Uma Thurman]. Glad I fled there after a few posts.

Author:	Daniel [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:07 ]
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I love it. I am fairly confident that I will never, ever post there, but I find it's a great read. There's two types of posters; sane folk who discuss the series in a normal and reasonable way, much as we often do here. The other type is the scary obsessive; they know EVERYTHING EVER ABOUT IT, and spend all day coming up with theories as to what will happen later in the series. And they will stick to their theories despite evidence available to disprove them. They're the best type. They cheer up a dull day.

Author:	NervousPete [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:13 ]
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Phew, must have just caught some bad threads then. Maybe I shall renew study. Despite knowing next to nowt about Doc Who.

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Author:	GazChap [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:46 ]
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Squueeeeeeeeeeee! Outpost Gallifrey can go blow a goat, it's worse than the GameFAQs forums.

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:53 ]
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Daniel wrote: Of course, once you've got into a discussion about how they can bring back McGann, you know you'd be better off being nursed and discussing it in tedious detail over at Outpost Gallifrey. I'd rather stab myself to death with a rusty spoon frankly.

Author:	vegetables [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 13:22 ]
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The thread on Outpost Gallifrey where they all mock a former Doctor Who writer for his (admittedly rather left-field) views on one of the New-Who episodes, then suggest that he's lying about his health condition when it emerges he has serious mental health problems, is probably the most horrible thread I've ever seen on the internet. People complain about RLLMUK, but frankly we're bloody civilised compared to that lot. I'm grateful to them, though, because they're probably what's kept me sliding down the slippery slope to uber-fandom. I had a dream I bought a replica of Colin Baker's coat last night, for God's sake. There is no hope for me. Although in the dream I ended up cursing it and being embarassed to leave my house, so perhaps it was all some kind of awful metaphor.

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 13:54 ]
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vegetables wrote: *Although in the dream I ended up cursing it and being embarassed to leave my house, so perhaps it was all some kind of awful metaphor. I'd be lynched for my views on the new series. In ye olden days I posted a review of the 1996 movie on usenet after transmission and got slaughtered for being critical. Oddly enough what I said in that review is now the generally held view on that movie.

Author:	vegetables [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 14:07 ]
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chinnyhill10 wrote: I'd be lynched for my views on the new series. In ye olden days I posted a review of the 1996 movie on usenet after transmission and got slaughtered for being critical. Oddly enough what I said in that review is now the generally held view on that movie. I think the reason I don't really feel like a Doctor Who fan despite being one by any reasonable definition is because of things like that. It's not just the new series; often it feels like you have to have a huge number of pre-prescribed opinions about the show to talk to Fans-with-a-capital-F which I just don't have. It's a shame, because it would be nice to have a large site where you could criticise Voyage of the Damned for being shite without being mobbed, or where people didn't make topic titles mocking someone for being mentally ill because he doesn't like the new show. Still, OG does have the distinction of falling for a 3-year long obvious pisstake that's brilliantly absurd, so points to it for that.

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 15:07 ]
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vegetables wrote: chinnyhill10 wrote: I'd be lynched for my views on the new series. In ye olden days I posted a review of the 1996 movie on usenet after transmission and got slaughtered for being critical. Oddly enough what I said in that review is now the generally held view on that movie. I think the reason I don't really feel like a Doctor Who fan despite being one by any reasonable definition is because of things like that. It's not just the new series; often it feels like you have to have a huge number of pre-prescribed opinions about the show to talk to Fans-with-a-capital-F which I just don't have. Yes. The Usenet group used to be terrible and was made worse by the fact a huge number of the book authors posted there and had a load of hangers on who backed their opinions to the hilt. In the end the group imploded because the authors got fed up with the fact that their opinions were questioned and they setup a moderated group that failed. Shame, because there were some good people on there, many of who now seem to crop up on the DVD documentry credits. I also interviewed Steven Moffat after contacting him via the group for my old website when he wrote Curse Of The Fatal Death. Turned out that writing for Who was one of his ambitions. Little did he know.... Also I remember a young man called Russell popping in one day who was a huge fan of Who and was in the process of writing a drama for Channel 4. He'd already done some obscure sci-fi. I recall him saying how he had so many ideas to revive Who and he'd been speaking to lots of people about it. Also Gary Russell bitching about anyone who dared disagree with him. Great writer mind. Those were the days.

Author:	vegetables [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 15:16 ]
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That all sounds amazing. It almost makes me wish I was ten years older than I am, which is a depressing thing to wish.

Author:	Daniel [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 15:57 ]
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vegetables wrote: The thread on Outpost Gallifrey where they all mock a former Doctor Who writer for his (admittedly rather left-field) views on one of the New-Who episodes, then suggest that he's lying about his health condition when it emerges he has serious mental health problems, is probably the most horrible thread I've ever seen on the internet. Which thread was this? I only tend to skim read most stuff in there (and avoid several of the forums entirely).

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 16:22 ]
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vegetables wrote: That all sounds amazing. It almost makes me wish I was ten years older than I am, which is a depressing thing to wish. The advantage of it was that this was in the days before the masses got online. By around 2000 few interesting people were posting and it had descended into geekdom and trolling. The glory years were arguably 1995 to 1999. Everything was new, novel and exciting and posting volumes were lower but at a high quality with fairly good self-policing. The old quotefiles are here: http://www.geocities.com/radwquotefile/ Even I can't remember some of the jokes but some of the names are interesting. Scroll down abit as the 2002 stuff is at the top and it was shit by then.

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 16:33 ]
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In fact, just reading through the Quotefile I found this gem of a spoof news report from April Fools Day 2000. Bloody hell, it's like they could see the future! LONDON, April 1, 2000 -- The duo behind the successful drama "Queer As Folk", Russell Davies and Matt Jones, will be producing a revival of "Doctor Who" with co-production money from the US cable network Showtime, the BBC announced today. As with its other SF/fantasy series, including "Stargate SG-1" and "Poltergeist: The Legacy", Showtime has committed to a multi-year run ahead of time -- a record-breaking four seasons of 22 episodes each. Paul McGann has signed on to play the eighth Doctor. Writing staff positions and/or script assignments have already been offered to Paul Cornell, Kate Orman, Jonathan Blum, Lance Parkin, Paul Leonard, Chris Boucher, Gareth Roberts, Marc Platt, Steven Gallagher, Christopher H. Bidmead, Steven Moffat, Peter Allan Fields, and Cannes jury prize winner Rona Munro. In addition, the producers are setting up a special unit to work with aspiring scriptwriters, in hopes of cultivating new talent, and are also contacting a variety of established names from literary SF. Ben Aaronovitch has been given the position of Free-Floating Agent of Chaos, being paid a chunk of money just to hang around the production office contributing witty lines and ideas, without ever having a script deadline. Lawrence Miles is reported to be locked in the basement with a word processor and an IV drip filled with caffiene. When asked if the new production would be canonical, Davies simply pointed and laughed. In addition to the TV episodes, McGann will also be recording six audio plays a year, released through the BBC's licensing deal with Big Finish Productions. 'The idea is that we can produce fannish stories for the fan niche market on audio, with all the old character appearances anyone could want - and that way we keep them from cluttering up the TV stories,' said Davies. (The only such story announced so far is Jon Blum's seventh/eighth Doctor story, tenatively titled "The Child Is The Father Of The Man".) Aside from a cameo by the Daleks in an episode entitled "The Ashes of Skaro", no characters from the old show are scheduled to appear until at least the first-season finale. The series will feature a mixture of stand-alone stories and a new ongoing story arc -- one which will have 'little or nothing' to do with the Time Lords or Gallifrey, according to Davies.

Author:	CUS [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 0:42 ]
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I enjoyed the latest ep. Like Pundabaya said, wow, 4 decent episodes in a row! For once, I didn't even mind that it was 'Oh no the Earth is in danger!'. Seeing the Sontarans again was good, and it reminded me of how the entirety of Pertwee's jaunt (mostly) was on Earth, saving it from danger. And that was quite popular. Favourite line "Intruder? Did he get intruder window?"

Author:	GazChap [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:00 ]
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My favourite line(s): Rattigan: "If only it was possible." The Doctor: "'Were'. If only it 'were' possible. Conditional clause."

Author:	kalmar [ Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:53 ]
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Yes but bear in mind that in the first 10 seconds of part two, he'll use the sonic screwdriver to feedback the Atmos processor into the Sontaran control satellite, reversing the polarity and causing the doors to pop open on the millions of affected cars, JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME. Mark my words.

Author:	vegetables [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 16:41 ]
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Daniel wrote: Which thread was this? I only tend to skim read most stuff in there (and avoid several of the forums entirely). http://www.gallifreyone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31032 It is, in fairness, years old. I found it on Wikipedia while I was trying to access the cached archives of Lawrence Miles' old blog, as what I've found is amazing in a kind of hideous-yet-oddly-endearing-car-crash of a sense. Which isn't to say I'm reading them to laugh at them by any means; they're often very interesting and insightful, just in possibly the most painful way imaginable. I'm astounded that thread wasn't locked after the "updated review" was posted there; it's only then things get really bad. EDIT: I am not going to click on your link, Chinnyhill, for if I do I will fail all my exams and end up living in a box.

Author:	Daniel [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 17:49 ]
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vegetables wrote: It is, in fairness, years old. I found it on Wikipedia while I was trying to access the cached archives of Lawrence Miles' old blog, as what I've found is amazing in a kind of hideous-yet-oddly-endearing-car-crash of a sense. Which isn't to say I'm reading them to laugh at them by any means; they're often very interesting and insightful, just in possibly the most painful way imaginable. I'm astounded that thread wasn't locked after the "updated review" was posted there; it's only then things get really bad. Aha. I see what you mean; it seemed pretty innocuous at first - just standard forum flaming about someone who offers a differing opinion to the party-line - but then it's revealed the bloke has some problems, and we get this response; Quote: Interesting tactic he uses ... claims he's a schizophrenic. No doubt other critics and debaters will use that one from now on: "don't mind me! I'm a schizophrenic/ I'm suffering from Tourettes Syndrome blah blah blah excuse blah oooh look I'm a martyr see? Arse! I hate you and so does my other 'arf blah blah" People are shit.

Author:	Pundabaya [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 19:30 ]
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Is this a record? 4 decent episodes of New Who... in a row!

Author:	Yartek [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 20:58 ]
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chinnyhill10 wrote: The old quotefiles are here: http://www.geocities.com/radwquotefile/ Even I can't remember some of the jokes but some of the names are interesting. Scroll down abit as the 2002 stuff is at the top and it was shit by then. Ye gods that brings back memories. If only because I edited one of those.

Author:	CraigGrannell [ Sat Apr 26, 2008 23:56 ]
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I'm not sure about McGann as the 11th Doctor, but how about a mini-series on the Time Wars?

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 0:25 ]
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Yartek wrote: Ye gods that brings back memories. If only because I edited one of those. If you are Robert Smith? I will have to hunt you down and kill you. If you are Yads I'll drop Napalm on your entire town. I've got quite a few quotes in the quotefiles. Still, raise a glass to the old days. Before it all fucked up in the moderation wars.

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 0:26 ]
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CraigGrannell wrote: I'm not sure about McGann as the 11th Doctor, but how about a mini-series on the Time Wars? He'd be the 8th. I HAVE IT ALL WORKED OUT! Ahem, sorry.

Author:	chinnyhill10 [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 0:32 ]
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Just going through the old quotefiles, I found this quote from Who's new Sinister overlord posted in 1999 when someone asked him if he was in discussions about a new series: " Don't ask me about Dr Who, no comment. Except, of course, the Doctor will be gay, his assistant a rent boy, and K9 a condom machine. Russell T Davies 12/11/99" So next time we moan about his scripts, just remember it could have been so much worse.

Author:	Morte [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:14 ]
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That was proper old school Who, some of the dialogue was almost Bakeresque. Not sure about the short Sontarons though but over all a solid 8.3 bannanas. More of that please

Author:	Pundabaya [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 14:31 ]
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Anyone noticed that the Sonic Deus-Ex-Machinadriver isn't working as well this series? It gives me hope... it really does.

Author:	Derek The Halls [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 16:30 ]
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Best bit was the Atmos explosion. Definitely. I found the whole thing a bit so-so really, though the Sontarans were very well done. It was rather like the first couple of Pertwee seasons, though I found that a touch dull at times. I think part of my problem was just watching it on the iPlayer which means I can't concentrate on it properly. When watching things on the computer, I can't help but get distracted by things.

Author:	NervousPete [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 19:13 ]
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Excellent fun I thought. Helen Raynor finally makes up for her incredulously bad Daleks In Manhatten two parter with a fun action-romp. Looking forward to next week, when hopefully they won't mess it all up. Love the Sontaran new look too, and the Rattigan stuff. And Martha getting all BSG-tank-gooey too, that was nice.

Author:	Yartek [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 21:48 ]
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chinnyhill10 wrote: If you are Robert Smith? I will have to hunt you down and kill you. If you are Yads I'll drop Napalm on your entire town. I've got quite a few quotes in the quotefiles. Still, raise a glass to the old days. Before it all fucked up in the moderation wars. I'm safe, I was just a regular bloke who posted and tried to have some fun. Eventually I got into one argument too many with the Anti-McCoy brigade, decided the whole place was depressing me and wandered vaguely off. And the fact that whole paragraph above is coherent should allay any fears that I'm Yads, who as far as I know is still posting in there to this day.

Author:	Yartek [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 21:53 ]
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Really enjoyed that, lot of returning things, but all done really well. I'm liking Donna more and more every week. Saw the probic vent thing coming but still cheereed when it happened. I laughed at one of the decorations on the Sontaran ship, which looked for all the world like a 360 power button complete with LEDs. If one of them goes red next week, I may die laughing. I am also hoping for a Martha/EvilMartha fight, possibly in the goop.

Author:	CUS [ Sun Apr 27, 2008 22:11 ]
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Yartek wrote: Really enjoyed that, lot of returning things, but all done really well. I'm liking Donna more and more every week. Saw the probic vent thing coming but still cheereed when it happened. I laughed at one of the decorations on the Sontaran ship, which looked for all the world like a 360 power button complete with LEDs. If one of them goes red next week, I may die laughing. I am also hoping for a Martha/EvilMartha fight, possibly in the goop. Yartek is the smartest person on this forum. Especially the last bit.

Author:	AceAceBaby [ Mon Apr 28, 2008 17:43 ]
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Pundabaya wrote: Anyone noticed that the Sonic Deus-Ex-Machinadriver isn't working as well this series? It gives me hope... it really does. Quite. The Doctor must have the only item of sonic wave emitting gubbins in existence that can't shatter a car window.

Author:	Ian Osborne [ Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:30 ]
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A mini-series on the Time Wars would be excellent, and as it would be set some time between 'classic' Doctor Who and Christopher Eccleston's debut, it could feasibly star anyone. In fact, Paul McGann would be ideal, as he could regenerate into Eccleston at the end and provide a link. Or McGann could regenerate into whoever, and whoever could regenerate into Eccleston. And the Martha Vs Martha goo fight is a great idea, but only if at least one of them is in a bikini. Now, how would you work that into the plot?

Author:	Ian Osborne [ Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:32 ]
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Quote: Quite. The Doctor must have the only item of sonic wave emitting gubbins in existence that can't shatter a car window. Yeah, we're all getting sick to death of him pulling the blasted thing out of his arse every time he's in a tight spot, but when a situation arises when he could logically use it, he keeps it in his pocket.

Author:	GazChap [ Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:45 ]
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He could be one of these people (like me) who often spends ages thinking of a solution to a problem, and completely ignores the simplest way of doing things.

Author:	NervousPete [ Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:00 ]
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My prediction is that the gas is non-fatal and meant to do something else - either to do with terraforming or to somehow give the Sontarans a battlefield advantage. Perhaps the gas is designed to react with explosive yields and nukes? Perhaps they're going to try and force Earth into deploying nukes, and the new type of gas does something with it? Hopefully not mind control gas though. That's been done to death. Producer: "We've run out of budget!" RTD: "Deploy the story-zombies!"