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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 22:20 
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They've got a wheely chair on a plane.


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This week was mostly boring, though it picked up in the last ten minutes or so.

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So many stupid decisions.

The Doctor leaves Clara a zillion messages, so she just ignores them. It's not like he would have something important to say.

The UNIT leader wanders off to ToC on her own? And then trusts the first person she meets, when everyone has been killed by shapeshifters? I'm really hoping that the reason we didn't see her die/get captured is because she knew all along and actually lured the Zygon into a trap, and now she's playing them at her own game. She's been shown as being competent before now, so hopefully she's not just slowly wandered into a trap for no reason.

Why did The Doctor use the plane? Did they just want more use out of the set they built? Or is there an actual reason, because him thinking it is cooler is a bit stupid when they're under severe time pressure and he has a fucking TARDIS just sitting there. There'd better be some reason attached, and also some reason why the PRESIDENT OF EARTH's plane doesn't have some countermeasures against RPGs.

The UNIT... ummmm... unit that got killed. That was stupid. I get the emotional ties to a parent or loved one, but he ascertained she was a fucking Zygon and then they all just wandered to certain death anyway. Not one of them thought, "Hang on, they've got the exact right loved ones for each of us [note - I assume that's who the other were, if not then an unrelated person could surely just tap the bastards in the head; these are special fucking forces!], and they know nothing about us at all, and any question, even simple ones, they have failed to answer. Maybe we should discuss this further outside?"

And why was the commanding officer conveniently miles away from every single one of her men?

It somehow managed to make the end of the world boring.

It did pick up towards the end though, as Evil Clara is deliciously evil, and some of it is a good idea just executed poorly (and without the necessary budget).

I appreciated the analogies to Islam/refugees etc, though I thought they plastered it on a bit heavy for the slow folk at the back.

Hopefully the second half will redeem it.

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
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EC was, yeah. Crikey. Hmm. Will think about that later

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It was appalling, even for unit soldiers, you'd think one of them got off a shot. They should employ some Americans.

Also, the drone thing was silly, because how would the Zygon know who was flying a drone a hundred miles away, also the UAV we see being loaded with weapons is a plane, planes don't hover.


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It was appalling, even for unit soldiers, you'd think one of them got off a shot. They should employ some Americans.


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Or 'Torchwood'. Though that would likely end up with Jack screwing his mum.
I was expecting the tension to be broken by a trigger-happy private or for the Doc to walk in and take charge.


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The guitar playing can do one enall

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Far better. In fact, I'd go so far to say that
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the entire scene with the boxes

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Far better. In fact, I'd go so far to say that
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the entire scene with the boxes

was one of the best 'Doctor Who' scenes yet.

Can't disagree. Shame they had to waste an entire episode on setup.


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I enjoyed both episodes. The box scene obviously being the highlight of it all.

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That was great stuff.

The box scene was a corker, and I was glad that

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...I called that the UNIT lady (not Osgood) hadn't been fooled by the Zygon. She's been shown as clever and competent too many times to have been fooled. Glad that worked out.


Also, the actress playing Clara is bloody lovely.

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
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Also, the actress playing Clara is bloody lovely.

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
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Yes. It's being so awkwardly shoehorned in to each episode x

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I liked

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The boxes bit


I didn't like
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"I will kill you all because of stuff oh wait let's be friends I will guard the boxes now in the secret hq"

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 Post subject: Re: Doctor Who
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I thought Saturday's episode was basically garbage. And boring.

I've mostly enjoyed the series so far though, and you always get the odd clunker, and there it was.

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This one might grow on me. The premise was rather silly, although at least they weren't snot monsters. However, the direction and narrative style actually distracted me from that, and I found a couple of the red shirts' characters pretty convincing and interesting. Spent the whole weekend trying to get that damn song out of my head though.


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Yeah, I liked everything apart from the stupid monsters.


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I'll admit to only partly paying attention, but it seemed fairly unresolved.


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I'll admit to only partly paying attention, but it seemed fairly unresolved.


Yes and no.

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It's one of those things/stories where the end is breaking the 4th wall without explicitly doing so, as a little twist.

I mostly liked it, but the monsters being made of the crap in your eyes was just stupid.

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It is the emotional punch to the guts it lacks nowadays. Or I have hardened as I get older.

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Hmmm....
The 'shock' would have worked better..
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if she'd walked out the door and we were left to imagine it


but...

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part one of a two or three parter so they could just be building


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I liked the scenario and our attention wasn't as clunkingly drawn to the allegory as previous episodes but was more skilfully made. Whenever I see Enchilada I do find myself thinking of Ace, but my memory of her, other than the two McCoy DVDs I've watched, is very sparse.


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It is the emotional punch to the guts it lacks nowadays. Or I have hardened as I get older.

No, it was lacking something.


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Well I really liked that one, and the setting.

I'm also confused.
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Re the death tattoo thing - I thought it was explained that you could transfer it (which is obviously how Clara ended up with it), or that it could be stopped/removed by the person who sent it in the first place. Am I imagining I heard that, or what? If it was true, Clara could have been saved presumably?


I'm happy to be wrong, if someone can clear this up!

Regardless, still enjoyed the episode.

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The claim was that
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it could only be stopped if it hadn't been transferred, for some reason.


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Ah, fair enough then (still feels a bit inconsistent mind you). Still they needed to resolve it so I don't have a major problem with it.

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Modern Doctor Who is full of incredibly unsatisfying inconsistencies. I have no idea if the old one was, as I was far too young to care. Most of the time they just technobabble it away if they need to (oh, it's an eye-crust monster because <reasons>), but the whole tattoo thing was just stupid.

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Even though you can transfer it but not cheat death, I can take it back from Riggsy because of <reasons>, because the raven was promised a soul, or something. But I can't take it back from Clara because lol


Had they had a proper "reason" I might have felt a bit more emotional at losing Jenna Coleman. As it is I feel cheated :(

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Had they had a proper "reason" I might have felt a bit more emotional at losing Jenna Coleman. As it is I feel cheated :(


:this:

Although, as it's at least a 2-parter,
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perhaps she's not dead. Maybe.

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Although, as it's at least a 2-parter,


*3* parter

Next weeks and the following weeks are linked to last weeks episode and then we only have a few weeks until the Christmas episode (which is separate) and then Who knows how long until Season 10


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And I saw an interview with Capaldi the other day, where he said they were probably only going to make a few next year, not a full series, to give him time to do other things.

EDIT: Or maybe not.

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Steven Moffat on some stuff around the 50th :

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Steven Moffat on some stuff around the 50th :

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The headline is a bit misleading. We finally find out why Eccleston didn't want to do Who! Except his reasons are private. Which we already knew.

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The reason was pretty clearly explained.

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Ashilda had a contract with the shade whereby she could remove the 'curse'. Clara effectively changed that contract, cutting out the only person who had bargained with that in mind.

I thought it was good, and it being her fault was interesting.

Capaldi is still ace.

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Holy crap! That was an excellent episode! Really great performance by Capaldi and very creepy at times.

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I enjoyed the way it played with one of the philosophical problems with teleportation too.


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I fell asleep :(

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Missed a treat. Make amends immediately.

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So much in this!

-The seabed with billions of skulls was scary enough, then you realise whose skulls they were.
-Working out that what we see is probably not the first time he's gone through the loop
- The moment when how he'll escape becomes clear
- The obligatory nod to Nosferatu
- The fact that for 45 minutes it's only one man and a guy in a sheet creating the drama.


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'Me' is Enchilada. Obviously.


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That was awesome.


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I find it hard to get as excited about it as many people have. I didn't hate it but it didn't really get me going so much.

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That was a good episode, though dragged a bit for me.

I think Capaldi's really good at portraying the sadness and loneliness of the Doctor, missing Clara.

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I liked that.

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I quite enjoyed that though the guitar playing is still an awful addition.

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I enjoyed it too, particuarly:

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his coup in Gallifrey (although, frankly, timelords in stupid hats can go and commit anatomical impossibilities in several dimensions, so far as I'm concerned) and how they made us think Clara had no recollection of the Doc at the start. The ending for Enchilda was pretty satisfying too.


Oddly, I didn't mind the guitar playing and didn't really get annoyed by the sunglasses.


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I quite enjoyed that though the guitar playing is still an awful addition.

Nah, it's great.

Loved the
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Loved the
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Thought it was a bit conflicted, the strange concpets of the
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hybrid, the introduction of galifrey, the timelords and the coup, and Enchilada
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I liked it.

Capaldi is great.

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I also think Maisie Williams is great as Ashilda, and Clara is always fun, though I'm slightly conflicted on her not being dead.

Spin-off special featuring the girls in space! That'd be fun.

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See, I don't like Enchilada, I get a very 'I'm acting now, look at me!' vibe from her, and having not seen Game of Thrones (due to hating the books) I'm not sure whether thats the actor or the writing/direction.


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See, I don't like Enchilada, I get a very 'I'm acting now, look at me!' vibe from her, and having not seen Game of Thrones (due to hating the books) I'm not sure whether thats the actor or the writing/direction.

I agree. She's not really very convincing in delivering her lines if you ask me. Quite wooden.

Anyway I loved that episode overall despite being slightly miffed with the thing with the companion situation but I was having too much of a good time to care.

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Pundabaya wrote:
See, I don't like Enchilada, I get a very 'I'm acting now, look at me!' vibe from her, and having not seen Game of Thrones (due to hating the books) I'm not sure whether thats the actor or the writing/direction.


He character is very different to the one in GoT, though I'm not sure whether that makes it more likely to be the actor or the director!

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It's odd, because as Arya she portrays 'old head on young shoulders' very convincingly, but I've not been enamoured with Enchilada. No depth behind the eyes. Seems like she's being controlled from elsewhere.


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She was on that cooking program, Slaphead & The Moron, last year. She came across as being lovely. I think she's been pretty good at times in Who, but not so good at others, but some of the dialogue has been clunky.

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