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Author:  krazywookie [ Thu Jul 06, 2017 22:48 ]
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Preacher s02e01 is making me want to watch death proof.

Author:  Hearthly [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 8:00 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
No. You MUST watch the Oirish season without a break!


OK so I watched S03E01 last night and it was a good episode, however, I do wonder if the show overall is starting to head in TWD territory in my perception of it. Like, the bone-headedness of the protagonists is really starting to grate a bit.

I will spoiler this as it's more specific than my previous ten broad points.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
So we kick off Season 3 with Jax and the 'club' having managed, between them, to have ACTUALLY HAD HIS BABY STOLEN. Literally fucking stolen. This is from an MC (lingo!) that's armed to the fucking teeth and apparently really bad ass.

They left the baby with 'Half Sack' (an MC 'Prospect' so not yet a full member), and a nice nurse called Tara. They did not prove to be a match for a psychopathic IRA murderer/bomber/gun runner, who had just had his own son killed. (Albeit not by the MC.)

The rest of the club were busy chasing MAIN BADDY Zobelle who had pretty much run rings round them for the entire season. However they finally had him cornered in an ice cream shop and were just waiting for the schoolchildren to get back in their school bus so they could kill him, unfortunately a phone call from from the baby sitters alerts them that all is not well and even though it'd take an extra 10 seconds to kill Zobelle, they all decide to leave immediately. (Which fails anyway because Half-Sack gets killed, Tara gets tied up, and the baby gets stolen.)

So here we are at the start of Season 3, wondering if maybe there'll be time for some quiet reflection and a think about what they want to do with their lives.

Nope. Gemma is now in hiding after being framed for two murders, she's safe in an MC-friendly motel out of town, and with a multi-state APB out and a reward on her head, you'd presume she wouldn't be in a hurry to leave the protective custody of some MC members, but instead she keeps trying to escape, including stabbing someone who catches her trying to steal his car. Way to lie low, Gemma!

The rest of the MC are getting ready for Half-Sack's funeral, and Clay (head MC dude) tells Jax that he's going to have to start looking a bit more killy-happy soon as the GUYS are wondering what's happening to him.

Lo and behold! After the funeral they're all stood in the church grounds having a sad chat about Half-Sack and a van full of drive-by shooters opens fire on the MC! As fire is returned (and Hale, the upright copper dude gets killed, more collateral damage from the IDIOT MC BRIGADE'S CAVALCADE OF BRAIN-FAILURE DIP-SHITTERY), one of the drive-by shooters falls from the van into the road, where he is quickly put under arrest by police.

Hooray! They have a perpetrator, they can find out who the shooters are, which is good as all the rest of them escaped.

But no! Jax is CONSUMED BY RAGE. And with Clay's motivational speech about having to kill some shit ringing in his ears, he takes it upon himself to kill the shooter by repeatedly bashing his head into the road. Which erm, the three arresting, armed, cops allow him to do because of reasons.

Well done Jax, you just killed the only perpetrator, all the others escaped!


Each episode stacks up with chains of events like this, and they just seem to end up in worse and worse situations.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Oh yes the baby is in Ireland now. Karen Matthews could have done a better fucking job.

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:04 ]
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The 'Oirish' season
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
complete with it's own theme tune :DD
is just 8) but keep going. Just keep going!

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:09 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
No. You MUST watch the Oirish season without a break!


OK so I watched S03E01 last night and it was a good episode, however, I do wonder if the show overall is starting to head in TWD territory in my perception of it. Like, the bone-headedness of the protagonists is really starting to grate a bit.

I will spoiler this as it's more specific than my previous ten broad points.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
So we kick off Season 3 with Jax and the 'club' having managed, between them, to have ACTUALLY HAD HIS BABY STOLEN. Literally fucking stolen. This is from an MC (lingo!) that's armed to the fucking teeth and apparently really bad ass.

They left the baby with 'Half Sack' (an MC 'Prospect' so not yet a full member), and a nice nurse called Tara. They did not prove to be a match for a psychopathic IRA murderer/bomber/gun runner, who had just had his own son killed. (Albeit not by the MC.)

The rest of the club were busy chasing MAIN BADDY Zobelle who had pretty much run rings round them for the entire season. However they finally had him cornered in an ice cream shop and were just waiting for the schoolchildren to get back in their school bus so they could kill him, unfortunately a phone call from from the baby sitters alerts them that all is not well and even though it'd take an extra 10 seconds to kill Zobelle, they all decide to leave immediately. (Which fails anyway because Half-Sack gets killed, Tara gets tied up, and the baby gets stolen.)

So here we are at the start of Season 3, wondering if maybe there'll be time for some quiet reflection and a think about what they want to do with their lives.

Nope. Gemma is now in hiding after being framed for two murders, she's safe in an MC-friendly motel out of town, and with a multi-state APB out and a reward on her head, you'd presume she wouldn't be in a hurry to leave the protective custody of some MC members, but instead she keeps trying to escape, including stabbing someone who catches her trying to steal his car. Way to lie low, Gemma!

The rest of the MC are getting ready for Half-Sack's funeral, and Clay (head MC dude) tells Jax that he's going to have to start looking a bit more killy-happy soon as the GUYS are wondering what's happening to him.

Lo and behold! After the funeral they're all stood in the church grounds having a sad chat about Half-Sack and a van full of drive-by shooters opens fire on the MC! As fire is returned (and Hale, the upright copper dude gets killed, more collateral damage from the IDIOT MC BRIGADE'S CAVALCADE OF BRAIN-FAILURE DIP-SHITTERY), one of the drive-by shooters falls from the van into the road, where he is quickly put under arrest by police.

Hooray! They have a perpetrator, they can find out who the shooters are, which is good as all the rest of them escaped.

But no! Jax is CONSUMED BY RAGE. And with Clay's motivational speech about having to kill some shit ringing in his ears, he takes it upon himself to kill the shooter by repeatedly bashing his head into the road. Which erm, the three arresting, armed, cops allow him to do because of reasons.

Well done Jax, you just killed the only perpetrator, all the others escaped!


Each episode stacks up with chains of events like this, and they just seem to end up in worse and worse situations.

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Oh yes the baby is in Ireland now. Karen Matthews could have done a better fucking job.


See, that makes it sound awesome.

Author:  devilman [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:14 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
The 'Oirish' season
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
complete with it's own theme tune :DD
is just 8) but keep going. Just keep going!


This reminds me. I've been watching a bit of the Archer - Dreamland season on Netflix. I can generally take or leave Archer, but it's good to have on in the background. However, with Dreamland, I end up turning it off after an episode as it's just terrible.

Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:15 ]
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MaliA wrote:
See, that makes it sound awesome.

Jump onboard! It's a good show, riddled with bafflement, violence and white trainers.

Author:  MaliA [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:19 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
MaliA wrote:
See, that makes it sound awesome.

Jump onboard! It's a good show, riddled with bafflement, violence and white trainers.


I am halfway through series 7 i think.

Author:  LewieP [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:27 ]
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Blood Drive is really good.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:33 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
MaliA wrote:
See, that makes it sound awesome.

Jump onboard! It's a good show, riddled with bafflement, violence and white trainers.


So much white trainer.

I think I've said this before, but it ended up feeling like a bad game of GTA, with each episode becoming little more than some fetch quest for Some Dude who Jaxx needs to curry favour with.

Still entertaining nonsense though, with some excellently nasty characters:

Nazi Rollins
Vengeful Tig
Mad FBI Lady
Cannibalistic Inmate (played by Kurt Sutter)
RoboCop BentCop


And of course Charlie Utter (can only remember his Deadwood name), who was excellently nice.

Author:  Hearthly [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:51 ]
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Findus Fop wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
MaliA wrote:
See, that makes it sound awesome.

Jump onboard! It's a good show, riddled with bafflement, violence and white trainers.


So much white trainer.

I think I've said this before, but it ended up feeling like a bad game of GTA, with each episode becoming little more than some fetch quest for Some Dude who Jaxx needs to curry favour with.


This is my issue with it, I get maybe 1-2 hours per day tops where I can watch telly/films, and my Netflix watchlist alone is already embarrassingly long.

It may well get to the point where 'entertaining trash' doesn't maintain its position as being worthy of taking up my screentime allocation on a regular basis. (I have a pretty high threshold for not ditching something, for example TWD which I stuck with for quite a long time after it'd largely turned to shit, but a selection process has to come into play at some point.)

Author:  Mr Russell [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:54 ]
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devilman wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
The 'Oirish' season
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
complete with it's own theme tune :DD
is just 8) but keep going. Just keep going!


This reminds me. I've been watching a bit of the Archer - Dreamland season on Netflix. I can generally take or leave Archer, but it's good to have on in the background. However, with Dreamland, I end up turning it off after an episode as it's just terrible.

Yeah, we gave it up. Similarly the Archer Vice season was really a struggle, so we were less inclined to carry on this time.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:30 ]
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devilman wrote:
This reminds me. I've been watching a bit of the Archer - Dreamland season on Netflix. I can generally take or leave Archer, but it's good to have on in the background. However, with Dreamland, I end up turning it off after an episode as it's just terrible.

I thought Dreamland has been the best one for a long while.

I do wish they could be spys again, though.

Author:  devilman [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:49 ]
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Grim... wrote:
I do wish they could be spys again, though.


:this: (well, 'spies' anyway :) )

I wouldn't have minded if it was just an episode or two, but I can't be doing with a whole series of it. At least it made me look for other animation stuff on Netflix though, so I've rattled through Bojack Horseman and F is for Family.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:50 ]
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And Rick and Morty?

Author:  devilman [ Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:00 ]
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Grim... wrote:


Added to the list. :)

Author:  devilman [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 20:35 ]
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Watched seven episodes of it over the weekend. I liked the Inception episode, but I've not found any of them overly funny as yet. I'll still persist though.

Author:  markg [ Sun Jul 09, 2017 22:55 ]
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Yeah we watched a few and found it okay but just never got round to watching any more.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:30 ]
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Another voice of ambivalence here for Rick & Morty. Just doesn't make me laugh. And the opening credits are too long.

Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:33 ]
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Preacher season 2 is superb so far.

Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:37 ]
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Findus Fop wrote:
Another voice of ambivalence here for Rick & Morty. Just doesn't make me laugh. And the opening credits are too long.


My anguish is palpable.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10600&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Author:  devilman [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:42 ]
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Grim... already linked to that thread, but I didn't see much point in resurrecting it to then just go 'umm s'ok'

Author:  Grim... [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:34 ]
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You'd have only been resurrecting it from April.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:49 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Preacher season 2 is superb so far.


Only caught the first two eps of season 2, but absolutely loving it.

Love the way they use titles* e.g. the arrival of the Saint of Killers.

*Look at dem titles.

Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:07 ]
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Very Graphic. So Novel.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 13:32 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Very Graphic. So Novel.


Very smart. Nice arse.

Author:  MaliA [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 14:57 ]
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Netflix or amazon has a 6 part documentary following teams at Le Mans. Each episode is 26 minutes long. It is shot well, and very interesting.

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 17:36 ]
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Really enjoyed GLOW, but I'm not sure whether I want a second season or not. It worked so well as a self contained story with a clear end point that it might spoil that by carrying on, but on the other hand some of the characters are just superb and more Alison Brie is never a bad thing.

Author:  devilman [ Tue Jul 11, 2017 14:04 ]
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Grim... wrote:
devilman wrote:
This reminds me. I've been watching a bit of the Archer - Dreamland season on Netflix. I can generally take or leave Archer, but it's good to have on in the background. However, with Dreamland, I end up turning it off after an episode as it's just terrible.

I thought Dreamland has been the best one for a long while.

I do wish they could be spys again, though.


Have you watched any Pacific Heat? I've only watched the first episode, but it comes across as an Australia rip-off of Archer. Some funny bits, but the mocking of Chinese accents was rather cringeworthy.

Author:  asfish [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:55 ]
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Suits S7 started last night, the UK channel that were showing it dropped it after S6 but Netflix appear to have picked it up

We enjoy it but the plot is getting stupid

ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
During S6 we saw Mike go to jail for after we got caught out as a fake lawyer, then at the end he gets into the bar! No mention of issues with the many cases he worked on before getting caught that would get thrown out or challenged.

Then first episode of S7 Harvey makes Donna a legal secretary, into a senior partner of the firm! She also comes up with $500,000 that I can only guess she got from a Amazon Echo type device she "invented" with the company IT guy in S6

Author:  Cras [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:09 ]
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I mean, I'd declare war on a minor East Asian country if Donna wanted me to.

Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:57 ]
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Hey! Kern! Some TV you might want to see. If The South Won The War In The Colonies

http://ew.com/tv/2017/07/19/game-of-thr ... nfederate/

Quote:
The show “chronicles the events leading to the Third American Civil War. The series takes place in an alternate timeline, where the southern states have successfully seceded from the Union, giving rise to a nation in which slavery remains legal and has evolved into a modern institution. The story follows a broad swath of characters on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Demilitarized Zone – freedom fighters, slave hunters, politicians, abolitionists, journalists, the executives of a slave-holding conglomerate and the families of people in their thrall.”

Author:  myp [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:59 ]
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Wow.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:39 ]
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Hmm.. makes a change from Nazis I guess, and there's probably a load of old statues lying around now that they could use for set dressing.

I read a novel set in a similar universe last year, 'Underground Airlines' by Ben Winters about a slave-catcher that was ok(ish) but not as good as Robert Harris's 'Fatherland'.

Reminds me: haven't been out in blue this year; probably should at some point, to at least keep things fresh and the moths away, but life and stuff.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Fri Jul 21, 2017 15:47 ]
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Quote:
Humans, Orcs, Elves... everybody is just trying to get along. Get ready for the world of Bright, a new Netflix Original Film, starring Will Smith and Joel Edgerton. Coming to Netflix December 22th

Author:  devilman [ Fri Jul 21, 2017 15:49 ]
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devilman wrote:
Grim... wrote:
devilman wrote:
This reminds me. I've been watching a bit of the Archer - Dreamland season on Netflix. I can generally take or leave Archer, but it's good to have on in the background. However, with Dreamland, I end up turning it off after an episode as it's just terrible.

I thought Dreamland has been the best one for a long while.

I do wish they could be spys again, though.


Have you watched any Pacific Heat? I've only watched the first episode, but it comes across as an Australia rip-off of Archer. Some funny bits, but the mocking of Chinese accents was rather cringeworthy.


Seems like every episode of this is virtually the same.

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 21, 2017 15:50 ]
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So I just found out they're doing a new series of Roseanne.

Author:  Cras [ Fri Jul 21, 2017 16:07 ]
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I...really?

Author:  Grim... [ Fri Jul 21, 2017 16:15 ]
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Yup.

Author:  KovacsC [ Sat Jul 22, 2017 0:16 ]
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What should I tackle next

Finished-
Breaking bad
Dollshouse
Gotham
Castle up to season 3
Game of thrones
Lucifer

What is the next must watch

Author:  DBSnappa [ Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:30 ]
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I'm enjoying Killjoys at the moment. First series is on Netflix. It's very low budget sci-fi but quite creatively done and it's never anything other than entertaining.

If you want slightly bonkers, I understand that Lexx is up on either Amazon or Netflix. Very surreal, quite sexy sci-fi series that ran from '99-02. The first series was good IIRC helped by the really very sexy Eva Habermann playing the character Xev

Author:  Curiosity [ Sun Jul 23, 2017 14:49 ]
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DBSnappa wrote:
I'm enjoying Killjoys at the moment. First series is on Netflix. It's very low budget sci-fi but quite creatively done and it's never anything other than entertaining.

If you want slightly bonkers, I understand that Lexx is up on either Amazon or Netflix. Very surreal, quite sexy sci-fi series that ran from '99-02. The first series was good IIRC helped by the really very sexy Eva Habermann playing the character Xev


I remember watching that at Uni. I remember it as being simultaneously terrible and actually quite good.

Author:  MaliA [ Sun Jul 23, 2017 14:56 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
DBSnappa wrote:
I'm enjoying Killjoys at the moment. First series is on Netflix. It's very low budget sci-fi but quite creatively done and it's never anything other than entertaining.

If you want slightly bonkers, I understand that Lexx is up on either Amazon or Netflix. Very surreal, quite sexy sci-fi series that ran from '99-02. The first series was good IIRC helped by the really very sexy Eva Habermann playing the character Xev


I remember watching that at Uni. I remember it as being simultaneously terrible and actually quite good.


I found Uni to be like that, too.

Author:  LewieP [ Sun Jul 23, 2017 15:00 ]
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Ozark.

It's the story of a wealthy family who lost everything, and the one son who had no choice but to keep them all together.

Yer man from Arrested Development sort of does Breaking Bad, but it starts at like season 3/4, and he's a money launderer, not a chemist. Also he is married to Laura Linney and she's in on it.

Not particularly original, but it's quite good and tense, and the cast are solid.

Author:  DBSnappa [ Sun Jul 23, 2017 15:15 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
DBSnappa wrote:
I'm enjoying Killjoys at the moment. First series is on Netflix. It's very low budget sci-fi but quite creatively done and it's never anything other than entertaining.

If you want slightly bonkers, I understand that Lexx is up on either Amazon or Netflix. Very surreal, quite sexy sci-fi series that ran from '99-02. The first series was good IIRC helped by the really very sexy Eva Habermann playing the character Xev


I remember watching that at Uni. I remember it as being simultaneously terrible and actually quite good.


Yes, it's very schlocky.

Author:  RuySan [ Sun Jul 23, 2017 15:32 ]
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Kern wrote:
Hmm.. makes a change from Nazis I guess, and there's probably a load of old statues lying around now that they could use for set dressing.


The difference if that if Nazis had won, they would have won a world war, thus everything would be different, so the plot of Man in the high castle makes some sense.

Would slavery still be legal if the south had won the American civil war? I doubt it. By the time of the civil war many other countries had already abolished slavery, there's no way the US would stand alone in that matter for a century and half.

Author:  Kern [ Sun Jul 23, 2017 16:35 ]
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The further you get from the point of departure, the more alternative history becomes a reflection of the writer's own creative energies rather than based in anything substantial. But, hey, disclaimer out the way, here's my view.

I think the key point is the amount of capital and debt secured on slaves. Indeed, some sources I've read suggest that by 1860 more capital was tied up in slaves than that ever achieved by the mighty railway or steel conglomerates of the Gilded Age. Taking this, we can assume that unless there was a massive drop in the value of human property vis-a-vis free labour, or a massive re-orientation of southern industry away from labour-intensive agriculture (arguably only feasible after the development of air-conditioning), a prolonged existence of the institution would be feasible, especially if southern plans to conquer parts of Mexico and Cuba came to fruition.

It also assumes that a confederal system of government with a weak centre would last, and the evidence from the American Civil War suggests that it wouldn't, with records of state governors opposing demands by the CSA for supplies that would go to troops from other states etc.

Of course, the sane idea for the south to keep slavery in tact would have been not to have seceded or fired on Fort Sumter on the first place, but given the divisions on slavery from the establishment of the constitution onwards, a conflict was likely to occur at some point.

On a wider, sadder, note, we have yet to eradicate slavery from the planet.

Author:  Squirt [ Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:26 ]
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Had they declared their succession but not initiated the war by firing on Sumter, do you think they could have successfully split? Hung around long enough as a de facto independent country without war breaking out and eventually everyone would have had to have recognised them?

Author:  Kern [ Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:20 ]
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No, I think Lincoln's position is pretty clear: secession was illegal and the federal government has the right to maintain and uphold its authority. This contrasts to James Buchanan who thought it was wrong but didn't think the president had the power to do anything. See Lincoln's first inaugural speech for a reasonable outline of his position in 1861:

Quote:
...there needs to be no bloodshed or violence; and there shall be none, unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere. Where hostility to the United States, in any interior locality, shall be so great and universal as to prevent competent resident citizens from holding the Federal offices, there will be no attempt to force obnoxious strangers among the people for that object. While the strict legal right may exist in the government to enforce the exercise of these offices, the attempt to do so would be so irritating, and so nearly impracticable withal, that I deem it better to forego for the time the uses of such offices.


In short: keep the government running and only resort to coercion if strictly necessary (an open definition). Also, better to keep the peace by letting offices remain unfilled if there are no locals to do it for now. Yet by this point, of course, the US only held Sumter having lost its other forts and arsenals in the seceding state.

On another note, both sides during the war were after the unorganised western territories, so even without firing on Sumter, it's likely that the armies would have come to blows on the frontier.

Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:43 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
What should I tackle next

Finished-
Breaking bad
Dollshouse
Gotham
Castle up to season 3
Game of thrones
Lucifer

What is the next must watch


PREACHER

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:41 ]
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Ballers is back on!

Spence had a dig about Brexit :(

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