Advertising?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Presumably it's to get them up the search engine rankings then, yes?

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Mr Chris wrote:

jonarob wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Just thinking from the advertisers point of view, how much money would it actually generate? I'm thinking this in a "would it be worth it" kind of way.

This forum, although busy, isn't the busiest on the net and is generally populated by the same people day in, day out.

Once they've all clicked the ad once, maybe twice to check it out.. how much more money would it generate.

Back on topic though, I have no objections to this ad as long as it stays exactly how it was described.

As I said, it's not about clicks, which is why the ad can be completely unobtrusive and out of the way. It's hard to explain, but it's beneficial to the site I work for in a different way. The ad would literally be a link and some text, in small font, at the bottom, which can be completely ignored. It doesn't need clicks. Full stop.

Call me Mr Suspicious then, but how, exactly, would this help them?

If I explained exactly why, it could compromise the whole thing and the ads would become worthless. If you're interested in how this will work, send me a blank PM and I'll try to explain it the best I can. But honestly, there's nothing suspicious and it wouldn't change your forum experience one little bit.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:33

Grim... wrote:

myoptika wrote:

Well how about if 20 of us all sub you a tenner each per year? That's fuck-all to most of us and gives you £200 towards the costs. How much would this advertising generate over a year?

I'm not totally against the idea, but I would like us to explore other avenues first, before making decisions like this.

That's very kind, and obviously if you want to send money feel free, but it's honestly not necessary.

So basically this is something that Jonny wants as a benefit for his company masquerading as financial 'help' for you. That's fine as long as we're clear what it is...

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Craster wrote:

Presumably it's to get them up the search engine rankings then, yes?

Essentially.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

People link to this site. Google sees this site as good. This site links to jonarob's employer. Google thinks jonarob's employer is good. Google's rankings for jonarob's employer increases.

Whenever I have a new site I'd like google to index or prioritise more, I pop a link on PTS for a couple of weeks.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

jonarob wrote:

If I explained exactly why, it could compromise the whole thing and the ads would become worthless.

Ah. Quantum advertising. Say no more.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

myoptika wrote:

Grim... wrote:

myoptika wrote:

Well how about if 20 of us all sub you a tenner each per year? That's fuck-all to most of us and gives you £200 towards the costs. How much would this advertising generate over a year?

I'm not totally against the idea, but I would like us to explore other avenues first, before making decisions like this.

That's very kind, and obviously if you want to send money feel free, but it's honestly not necessary.

So basically this is something that Jonny wants as a benefit for his company masquerading as financial 'help' for you. That's fine as long as we're clear what it is...

Well it's not really like that. We advertise in a lot of places, and it wouldn't be a big deal at all if you guys said no, and it wouldn't be beneficial or otherwise for me personally, I just thought I could help this place out whilst getting another advertising avenue for my company.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:35

So if I offer to give Grim... some cash he'll do the same for my mum's art website?

-edit- Please don't see my comments as being arsey, I'm really not trying to be.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

myoptika wrote:

he'll do the same for my mum's "arty" website?

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

myoptika wrote:

So if I offer to give Grim... some cash he'll do the same for my mum's art website?

I'll do your mum for free.

That's what you were asking about, right?

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

ComicalGnomes wrote:

People link to this site. Google sees this site as good. This site links to jonarob's employer. Google thinks jonarob's employer is good. Google's rankings for jonarob's employer increases.

Whenever I have a new site I'd like google to index or prioritise more, I pop a link on PTS for a couple of weeks.

This is it. Which is why it can be completely unobtrusive. You don't need to PM me anymore

devilman · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:37

ComicalGnomes wrote:

People link to this site. Google sees this site as good. This site links to jonarob's employer. Google thinks jonarob's employer is good. Google's rankings for jonarob's employer increases.

Whenever I have a new site I'd like google to index or prioritise more, I pop a link on PTS for a couple of weeks.

I've just realised I'm still linking to your games/comic site - do you still do much with it?

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

devilman wrote:

I've just realised I'm still linking to your games/comic site - do you still do much with it?

I knocked games on the head quite some time ago, but I'm still turning around comics fairly regularly. You're quite welcome to leave or remove the link at your preference

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

You do comics? Link me do, man.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:40

So that's why you changed your name then.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

However the poll turns out, if this is going to upset people, I'd rather keep things how it is. I don't want to be responsible for people leaving or anything like that, this was just an idea. (Not that there are any signs that people are going to be upset about this, I'm just saying).

Shin · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:40

ComicalGnomes wrote:

People link to this site. Google sees this site as good. This site links to jonarob's employer. Google thinks jonarob's employer is good. Google's rankings for jonarob's employer increases.

Whenever I have a new site I'd like google to index or prioritise more, I pop a link on PTS for a couple of weeks.

I am actually with this conversation now

Well that sounds alright

kalmar · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:41

Mr Chris wrote:

jonarob wrote:

If I explained exactly why, it could compromise the whole thing and the ads would become worthless.

Ah. Quantum advertising. Say no more.

An Advertising Paradox could be caused, with an effect like a commercial black hole, dragging all forms of endorsement into it, until the worlds financial systems collapse!

I'm not going to vote 'cos I'm not sure..

myp · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:41

jonarob wrote:

However the poll turns out, if this is going to upset people, I'd rather keep things how it is. I don't want to be responsible for people leaving or anything like that, this was just an idea. (Not that there are any signs that people are going to be upset about this, I'm just saying).

Well I wasn't going to, but now you mention it...

*FLOUNCES*

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

Mr Chris wrote:

You do comics? Link me do, man.

Meh, it's just sonic comics, alas

Quote:

So that's why you changed your name then.

Nah, it was just a whim. I stuck with this as it was the last nick I posted on the 'other' forum with

myp · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:50

ComicalGnomes wrote:

Nah, it was just a whim. I stuck with this as it was the last nick I posted on the 'other' forum with

Was it? Shows how much attention I paid you.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:50

Grim...s shout I'd say.

I'd also be more than happy to bung a £10 a year your way towards server costs.

Can we have a dancing spiderman?

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Me too, but I'd want more twinkles on the banner.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:51

If I give Grim... £100 I want my face as the opening splash screen.

myp · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:52

Mr Chris wrote:

Me too, but I'd want more twinkles on the banner.

Keep watching.

ElephantBanjoGnome · **Joined:** 22nd Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 8175

myoptika wrote:

ComicalGnomes wrote:

Nah, it was just a whim. I stuck with this as it was the last nick I posted on the 'other' forum with

Was it? Shows how much attention I paid you.

I'm sure you were one of those people that said 'Comical? He was a cunt, I always hated him', after I got banned. My brand of purified justice still awaits you for that.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 15:53

Ted only has a Google Page Rank of 2, and poor Bill has a PR of 0. I do have access to a four, and two sixes though

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Craster wrote:

EDIT - I haven't voted, because 'should' doesn't really work as an option for me

How about if you imagine it says: "Would you be opposed to this sort of advertising on BETEO?" (and the Yes and No were swapped around obviously).

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

ComicalGnomes wrote:

I'm sure you were one of those people that said 'Comical? He was a cunt, I always hated him', after I got banned. My brand of purified justice still awaits you for that.

All the best people are banned from the other place.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Grim... wrote:

Ted only has a Google Page Rank of 2, and poor Bill has a PR of 0. I do have access to a four, and two sixes though

PR, although important, is not quite as important as a lot of people think! But it's a decent measure of a site's quality according to Google, sure.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

jonarob wrote:

Craster wrote:

EDIT - I haven't voted, because 'should' doesn't really work as an option for me

How about if you imagine it says: "Would you be opposed to this sort of advertising on BETEO?" (and the Yes and No were swapped around obviously).

Much better

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Hehe

Malabelm · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 16:00

I voted for No, but I couldn't really care less if it's unobtrusive.

Do the search engines not check backlinks for relevance? It's all secret, I know, but there are sites out there with the speculation and testing to see what works and what doesn't.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Yeah relevance is an important factor, but the search engines don't completely discard an irrelevant link, it's just worth a bit less.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

But anyway, none of that is important. The question is - would you mind a small text link ad at the bottom of the forum?

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

Grim... wrote:

Ted only has a Google Page Rank of 2, and poor Bill has a PR of 0. I do have access to a four, and two sixes though

That's surprisingly poor. fscked.co.uk has a rank of 3. Who wants to start the pagerank pissing contest thread?

jonarob wrote:

But anyway, none of that is important. The question is - would you mind a small text link ad at the bottom of the forum?

No. It should be Grim...'s call, as this server runs at his benevolence. If he doesn't want the cash he can always put it behind the bar in Shunt of course.

Dudley · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8679

myoptika wrote:

ComicalGnomes wrote:

Nah, it was just a whim. I stuck with this as it was the last nick I posted on the 'other' forum with

Was it? Shows how much attention I paid you.

To be fair, by the time you'd logged in, all the posts had been deleted.

Dickensian FunLog wrote:

All the best people have at least one nick banned from the other place

FTFY.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

richardgaywood wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Ted only has a Google Page Rank of 2, and poor Bill has a PR of 0. I do have access to a four, and two sixes though

That's surprisingly poor. fscked.co.uk has a rank of 3. Who wants to start the pagerank pissing contest thread?

jonarob wrote:

But anyway, none of that is important. The question is - would you mind a small text link ad at the bottom of the forum?

No. It should be Grim...'s call, as this server runs at his benevolence. If he doesn't want the cash he can always put it behind the bar in Shunt of course.

Well I agree it should be his call, and as stated in the OP, he said he'd leave it up to a forum vote, which is why I'm asking you all to vote.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Actually, I think this was a bad idea. Obviously some people are opposed to this and see it as a suspicious scheme of some sort. I'd rather not bother - especially after what happened with WoS. Nevermind chaps, thanks for voting anyway. I just saw it as a way to cover Grim...'s costs as well as another small opportunity for my company.

Grim.../a mod, if you could delete the thread I'd appreciate it.

Shin · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 16:18

jonarob wrote:

Actually, I think this was a bad idea. Obviously some people are opposed to this and see it as a suspicious scheme of some sort. I'd rather not bother - especially after what happened with WoS. Nevermind chaps, thanks for voting anyway. I just saw it as a way to cover Grim...'s costs as well as another small opportunity for my company.

Well, no it wasn't a bad idea. You asked-obviously Grim wasn't so opposed to it because he didn't say 'no' outright. I'm sure if it was that bad he would have done so. By leaving it up to people on the forum (who use it) then he's ensuring it won't pee people off having it, thusly everyone's happy then. And people aren't overse to it looking at the poll count

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16558

jonarob wrote:

after what happened with WoS.

WoS was alright with the adverts wasn't it? I thought Campbell having a funny turn was what did for that place?

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

markg wrote:

jonarob wrote:

after what happened with WoS.

WoS was alright with the adverts wasn't it? I thought Campbell having a funny turn was what did for that place?

Yeah, but I meant as soon as he started locking the place down for subbers only. It kind of has similarities with this. A once free to use and no advertising democracy thing now having advertising = probably a bad idea.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Not as long as the agreement on whether to do it or not is democratic

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16558

jonarob wrote:

Yeah, but I meant as soon as he started locking the place down for subbers only

Yes, that was the start of the end. I'd be happy to pay a sub here but not if there's going to be little stars identifying who has subscribed and who hasn't or special areas with restricted access. FUCK ALL THAT.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Leave the poll, then. If it's more than, say 70% in favour and nobody has a strong objection to all of this, I'll speak to Grim... about it further. How's that sound?

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Wot Craster said.

It seems the majority are profoundly unbovvered by this.

WTB · **Joined:** 27th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 14497

Fair enough. We'll give it a week or so to let the votes come in.

devilman · **Posted:** Mon Sep 22, 2008 16:36

ComicalGnomes wrote:

devilman wrote:

I've just realised I'm still linking to your games/comic site - do you still do much with it?

I knocked games on the head quite some time ago, but I'm still turning around comics fairly regularly. You're quite welcome to leave or remove the link at your preference

I was just being nosey mainly

I'll revise the text on the link.

I used to check my site's Google PR but I'm not that fussed about it now. It was 5, it's now 4. *shrug*

MrD · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2139

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Grim.../a mod, if you could delete the thread I'd appreciate it.

If it didn't seem like a suspicious scheme before, it sure does now.

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