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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:46 

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I agree it's similar to football in that you have to watch the whole season but I'm still gutted, Murdoch & SKy are not getting any of my money. Just need to find a good feed on Sopcast


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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I'm not getting Sky sports to watch the F1. The bbc coverage has been excellent, if you ignore that twat of an irishman, and I thought that F1 was one of the blue riband tings for the bbc?

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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Would you watch half a football match?

Disingenious. They are showing whole races, just not all of them. You can't currently watch every Premier League game (or even every game for one team).


Yes, but there aren't only 18 football matches in a whole season, where every team plays a side at the same time, so missing a few is more reasonable when there are hundreds...

Although, every team playing at the same time on one pitch would be an awesome spectacle! :D


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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BBC don't show every tennis tournament during the year, so I'm boycotting Wimbedon!

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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F1 & Doctor Who was the only thing I watched on the Beeb, With all the reality TV crap they show on TV they could have cut those.

Also only showing half the races is like stabbing you with a stick to see if you are still breathing, I rather it was none.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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BBC don't show every tennis tournament during the year, so I'm boycotting Wimbedon!

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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F1 & Doctor Who was the only thing I watched on the Beeb, With all the reality TV crap they show on TV they could have cut those.

Ah yes, the 'I don't watch them so they should cut these' argument. I personally can't stand EastEnders, but loads of people love it, so *shrugs*

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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To get sky for this would be a tenner a month for their fucking crappy 'basic' package then another tenner for a Sky Sports channel that shows the races, and if there's 2 races in a month and one is on BBC, you are paying £20 and putting one of those bloody dishes on your house for one race, which might be shit anyway.


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To get sky for this would be a tenner a month for their fucking crappy 'basic' package then another tenner for a Sky Sports channel that shows the races, and if there's 2 races in a month and one is on BBC, you are paying £20 and putting one of those bloody dishes on your house for one race, which might be shit anyway.

http://www.myp2p.eu. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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So, essentially it boils down to 'axe all the things I'm not interested in to keep the things I'm interested in'.

If you're a massive F1 fan then you will pay the premium to watch the races; if you're a casual fan then half the races + radio + highlights will do, right?

I'm am being a bit devil's advocatey here, but not much.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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Myp2p will have to suffice, though the buffering is often worse than embedded ads.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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I'm am being a bit devil's advocatey here, but not much.

Me too, but it pisses me off that this is allowed to happen over and over again. I know that Sky are the only company with the financial clout to make Bernie's eyes light up, but I've already lost Test Cricket and it gets my goat.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:16 

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How about the axe some of the things I'm not interested in to keep some of the things I'm interested in?


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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I'm am being a bit devil's advocatey here, but not much.

Me too, but it pisses me off that this is allowed to happen over and over again. I know that Sky are the only company with the financial clout to make Bernie's eyes light up, but I've already lost Test Cricket and it gets my goat.

Dammit!

Hopefully with jettisoning F1 we can get the cricket back. :DD

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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Myp2p will have to suffice, though the buffering is often worse than embedded ads.


This reminds me of 2 myps one cup.

Anyway, I have sky so am not fussed either way. Also, some sky channels including sport are planned to be a paid for addition to freebies by 2013 iirc


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:22 

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To get sky for this would be a tenner a month for their fucking crappy 'basic' package then another tenner for a Sky Sports channel that shows the races, and if there's 2 races in a month and one is on BBC, you are paying £20 and putting one of those bloody dishes on your house for one race, which might be shit anyway.

http://www.myp2p.eu. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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The BBC shouldn't be paying for exclusivity on anything. Unfortunately if they don't, Sky will, which sort of breaks that idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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Also, some sky channels including sport are planned to be a paid for addition to freebies by 2013 iirc


So is what you're saying that in a couple of years I can buy Sky sports and just sky sports and nothing else?

Will hope the Murdoch share is significantly smaller by then, then.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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I thought Sky Picnic was going to allow you to get access to Sky Sports and nothing else.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:26 
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Craster wrote:
The BBC shouldn't be paying for exclusivity on anything. Unfortunately if they don't, Sky will, which sort of breaks that idea.


Indeed. BBC should be focussed on stuff the nation can't do without ( and with 5m viewers, that ain't F1) or stuff that needs exposure but can't get it through commercial channels.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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So is what you're saying that in a couple of years I can buy Sky sports and just sky sports and nothing else?

Will hope the Murdoch share is significantly smaller by then, then.


I'm not sure if it is on a one channel basis but Davpaz suggests it could be. Also, my original post was meant to say freeview not freebies.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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The BBC shouldn't be paying for exclusivity on anything. Unfortunately if they don't, Sky will, which sort of breaks that idea.


Indeed. BBC should be focussed on stuff the nation can't do without ( and with 5m viewers, that ain't F1) or stuff that needs exposure but can't get it through commercial channels.


That's an argument against police procedural/medical/soap programming, then.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:34 
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From f1s perspective its a Bruno cretinous move, mind. It's not a sport like football where people are able to get into it by watching live games like football. I certainly going into it through TV, as I imagine most new fans now do. Remove that, piss off people by charging via sky and, in the UK at least (an idea imagine that this won't be able step only taken here) and you eventually low your audience. Making money from sport die tend to rely on having an audience.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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The BBC shouldn't be paying for exclusivity on anything. Unfortunately if they don't, Sky will, which sort of breaks that idea.


Indeed. BBC should be focussed on stuff the nation can't do without ( and with 5m viewers, that ain't F1) or stuff that needs exposure but can't get it through commercial channels.


Yep the nation can't do without Strictly Come dancing or The Apprentice


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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That was quick. They've got Vettel on the Sky Go website already.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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Sport governing body taking short term view of Many £s and running the risk of significantly reducing future audience and participation as a result of moving all mainstream coverage to sky shocker.

See also: virtually every participation sport in Britain which enjoyed significant TV audiences in the 1980s before moving to sky. However, I'll venture that F1 is harmed less in the longer term than say, cricket, as a result of this deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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And another thing, how many people getting olympic tickets have ever been to watch athletics?

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:09 
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Everyone arguing that it is the same situation as tennis, or cricket, or football is entirely missing the point.
This is completely different, because I like F1 :D


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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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Everyone arguing that it is the same situation as tennis, or cricket, or football is entirely missing the point.
This is completely different, because I like F1 :D

At least you're admitting you're being completely selfish then. It's to be commended. :kiss:

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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I wonder if we'll get more live and in-depth coverage of some other decent motorsport series from the BBC instead then?

We won't, will we?


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I wonder if we'll get more live and in-depth coverage of some other decent motorsport series from the BBC instead then?

We won't, will we?

Sky already have NASCAR and IndyCar, so probably not. ITV4 shows BTCC, If I recall correctly.

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I wonder if we'll get more live and in-depth coverage of some other decent motorsport series from the BBC instead then?

We won't, will we?

Sky already have NASCAR and IndyCar, so probably not. ITV4 shows BTCC, If I recall correctly.



ITV4 shows all the recaes from the BTCC events.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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I downloaded and watched some of this season's WRC the other day. It was shit. Why the fuck are they all driving the sort of small underpowered shitty things that the lower tiers used to use?


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I downloaded and watched some of this season's WRC the other day. It was shit. Why the fuck are they all driving the sort of small underpowered shitty things that the lower tiers used to use?

Same with the BTCC to be fair. Aren't there only two manufacturers left in the WRC now, anyway?

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Sport governing body taking short term view of Many £s and running the risk of significantly reducing future audience and participation as a result of moving all mainstream coverage to sky shocker.

See also: virtually every participation sport in Britain which enjoyed significant TV audiences in the 1980s before moving to sky. However, I'll venture that F1 is harmed less in the longer term than say, cricket, as a result of this deal.

Still annoyed at them for stuffing cricket in the longer term


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Due to the changes in broadcasting rights, it's going to be renamed Formula 0.5 from next season.

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Due to the changes in broadcasting rights, it's going to be renamed Formula 0.5 from next season.

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DavPaz wrote:
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Due to the changes in broadcasting rights, it's going to be renamed Formula 0.5 from next season.

+1

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+1? Am I on google+ or BETEO?
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Someone is grumpy today.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/ju ... CMP=twt_gu

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Jeremy Darroch, the BSkyB chief executive, said that the satellite broadcaster became involved in the negotiations for Formula One very late in the process. Channel 4 reportedly expressed an interest in buying the rights, while ITV rejected the idea of making a bid. "Formula One is in the top tier of sports properties," Darroch said. "It is very much a blue riband event."

So to those that would have preferred it to go back to ITV, they didn't want it.

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So to those that would have preferred it to go back to ITV, they didn't want it.


I can't think of anyone who wanted that, obviously including ITV themselves...

The ITV coverage was awful.


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So to those that would have preferred it to go back to ITV, they didn't want it.


I can't think of anyone who wanted that, obviously including ITV themselves...

The ITV coverage was awful.

Agreed, but then at least it would have stayed free-to-air.

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Yep the nation can't do without Strictly Come dancing or The Apprentice


The BBC aren't paying an absolute fortune for exclusivity on those though.

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Yep the nation can't do without Strictly Come dancing or The Apprentice


The BBC aren't paying an absolute fortune for exclusivity on those though.

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Yep :(

But I can understand why the BBC have had to do what they needed.


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The BBC shouldn't be paying for exclusivity on anything. Unfortunately if they don't, Sky will, which sort of breaks that idea.


Indeed. BBC should be focussed on stuff the nation can't do without ( and with 5m viewers, that ain't F1)

I read a couple of days ago that Newsnight gets around 250,000 viewers on average. Quite how that's still on TV is a bit of a mystery.

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 Post subject: Re: Formula 1
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It also has a tiny budget. But it fulfills a useful public service, often asks tough questions of politicians. You don't necessarily need to watch it all the time in order to appreciate it.


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I read a couple of days ago that Newsnight gets around 250,000 viewers on average. Quite how that's still on TV is a bit of a mystery.


Because they're a public service broadcaster, dammit, and that's 250,000 people per day who are making an effort not to be fucking retards.


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