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The whole Prince Philip crash thing is a stark reminder that we really need to reconsider older people's suitability for driving. I'm convinced that has the boomers age, they're aren't going to stop driving lightly, and we're going to see a notable rise in these kinds of accidents. Thankfully nobody was seriously injured this time round.


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That's been the case forever, though. And they still have less accidents per head than young drivers (subs please check my decade-old facts).

I think insurance premiums would sort this out if it were a serious issue.

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Not for Prince Philip. He's got a few quid apparently.

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That's been the case forever, though. And they still have less accidents per head than young drivers (subs please check my decade-old facts).
I think insurance premiums would sort this out if it were a serious issue.


Yes, both good points and easily quantifiable. Keeping an eye on premiums will probably show if this is a rising issue. Definitely no doubt that young drivers are likely to remain the largest accident-causing demographic.


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Not for Prince Philip. He's got a few quid apparently.


It's a warning from Princess Diana.


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That's been the case forever, though. And they still have less accidents per head than young drivers (subs please check my decade-old facts).

I think insurance premiums would sort this out if it were a serious issue.


Fewer.

Also I wonder if that holds true for accidents per mile?

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Again, insurance premiums would be higher for old folk if it didn't, I suspect.

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I'm more thinking about the movement of population cohorts. If it's, say, 0.5% of the over 75s, if the number of over 75s rise and the proportion driving and having incidents rate remains the same, the raw number of incidents will increase. But this is finger in the air stuff.


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I'm not convinced. If oldies drive 1/3 of the miles per year and have 1/2 the claims, the insurance companies are still fine with that.

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Here are some FACTS (from the USA).

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Note that old people are far more likely to die in their crashes. Because they're old and frail? Or because they have the hammer down? YOU DECIDE.

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Interesting stats, thanks. So there is an upswing after 70. The question I'm interested in is if we should expect more in coming years as the population ages. Or are people sensible enough to either stop driving or leave their demographic cohort before they can influence the numbers? Premiums might be a reasonable proxy for this. As per my original post, I don't think they will be, but that might be latent ageism and extrapolation from a handful of news reports.


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Thinking of road safety, a while ago the local police did random eye checks on drivers. Someone at work put up a numberplate at one end of the corridor and a notice on the wall at the 20 metre spot so people could test themselves.


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Thinking of road safety, a while ago the local police did random eye checks on drivers. Someone at work put up a numberplate at one end of the corridor and a notice on the wall at the 20 metre spot so people could test themselves.


I reckon I'd have failed that. I probably should wear my glasses more often.


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I absolutely adore the Challenger's styling. A colleague had one on one of our weekend California road trips and it was just gorgeous. It manages to look authentically retro without being sentimentally nostalgic. And next to the modern Mustangs and Camaros we've had, and even the Dodge Charger (which is a very similar car underneath the skin), its lines are crisp, clean, and uncluttered.


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Yeah, they're damn good looking beasts.

Curiously, I've just noticed that the interior on that looks strikingly similar in terms of switchgear etc. to the latest Ford Mustang, but I didn't think Dodge and Ford were connected?

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 Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 19:19 
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It's not the amount of accidents per year or per mile that defines an insurance premium, its the cost of the claim measured against the price of the policy and the likelihood of a claim occuring.


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...multiplied by the frequency of claims.

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Wait accidents per year / per mile is literally the same as likelihood of a claim occurring.

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Wait accidents per year / per mile is literally the same as likelihood of a claim occurring.


The key part is the cost per claim measured against that.
If you have 100 claims that cost a fiver each, we don't really give a shit. If you have one claim that costs a million, that's when it gets all tricky.


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Sure, but you just said it's not about frequency, it's about cost and frequency.

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And unless old people have really cheap cars or crash less hard (feasible) frequency is likely a heavily variant factor.

(Aware that I'm car insurancesplaining here)

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Also, where the fault was determined to lie. The table doesn’t detail that I think.


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Sure, but you just said it's not about frequency, it's about cost and frequency.


It's only about the frequency in that you need to know that to understand the total claim cost.

It's the claim cost that drives the price of insurance, not the amount of accidents.


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Also, where the fault was determined to lie. The table doesn’t detail that I think.


Absolutely, that's a key factor in claim cost.


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Self driving cars would help a lot here, wouldn't they? For the elderly, I mean.

Assuming they have a youngster to tell them how to set the digital clock in the dashboard.

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Self driving cars would help a lot here, wouldn't they? For the elderly, I mean.

Assuming they have a youngster to tell them how to set the digital clock in the dashboard.


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Self driving cars would help a lot here, wouldn't they? For the elderly, I mean.

Assuming they have a youngster to tell them how to set the digital clock in the dashboard.


For insurance cost? Not anytime soon!

Nobody really knows where the liability lies, until that is tested and costs are known, insurers will err on the side of caution.


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I suppose I meant self driving cars would enable the (wealthy) elderly to stay mobile and reduce the concern of any of the old giffers getting into an accident.

Assuming of course the cars are fully autonomous and don't elect to give control back to a confused old codger in the moments they system becomes overwhelmed just before a crash.

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Nobody really knows where the liability lies, until that is tested and costs are known, insurers will err on the side of caution.

There’s a school of thought that says any car that places liability on the people inside it or around it — as opposed to the manufacturer — isn’t self driving.


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Isn't one of the big problems with self driving cars what they decide to when an accident is inevitable? Do they always take action to preserve the lives of people inside them, even if that means killing someone else?

For example, a large truck comes round a blind corner on the wrong side of the road, it's going to hit the self driving car head on. The self driving car can swerve to the side, but in doing so will hit and probably kill a pedestrian. Does the car save its passengers and kill the pedestrian, or allow the head on collision to occur?

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To avoid philosophy, morals and possible litigation, I'd be surprised if the software was written to do anything other than stop the car in that situation.


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Isn't one of the big problems with self driving cars what they decide to when an accident is inevitable? Do they always take action to preserve the lives of people inside them, even if that means killing someone else?
The bullish answer is that this is a red herring, because the real answer is "if you're in this mess you did something wrong 30 seconds ago." This is why you've likely never experienced a trolley problem in your own driving -- future scenarios are simply not that unpredictable. In hundreds of thousands of miles of driving, you probably have a perfect track record of avoiding no-win situations before they happen.

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So what do the people actually building this technology think about the trolley problem? I’ve asked lots of AV developers this question over the years, and the response is generally: sigh.

“The bottom line is, from an engineering perspective, solving the trolley problem is not something that’s heavily focused on for two reasons,” says Karl Iagnemma, the president of Aptiv Automated Mobility and cofounder of the autonomous vehicle company nuTonomy.1 “First, because it’s not clear what the right solution is, or if a solution even exists. And second, because the incident of events like this is vanishingly small and driverless cars should make them even less likely without a human behind the wheel.”

Another frequent objection: Self-driving cars definitely don’t have the data or training today to make the kind of complex tradeoffs that people are considering in the Moral Machine experiment. It’s hard enough for their sensors to distinguish vehicle exhaust from a solid wall, let alone a billionaire from a homeless person. Right now, developers are focused on more elemental issues, like training the tech to distinguish a human on a bicycle from a parked car, or a car in motion.

It is, however, likely that engineers are training their tech to make certain tradeoffs. “The way people in autonomous driving taxonomize or organize the objects that they detect is that they have vulnerable objects and non-vulnerable ones,” says Forrest Iandola, the CEO of the company DeepScale, which builds perception systems for self-driving cars. “The most important vulnerable objects to detect are humans with no protection. But a parked car or a traffic cone tend to be non-vulnerable.” And thus: better to hit.


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Why did none of you fuckers tell me, before I ended up bleeding and swearing on the driveway in the dark, that some rear brake caliper pistons need to be wound back in? Bastards.


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All calliper pistons need to be don't they? Got the tool if you need to borrow mate.

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No, I don't think so. When I did the front ones I was able to just apply some pressure with a g-clamp. The back ones have some slots on the front of the piston and you need a tool with some pins that engage those slots and actually turn the thing as its pressed back. It's to do with the way the handbrake works.


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You're welcome to borrow my calliper winder mate if you still need to do it.

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Yeah cheers mate. I was able to sort the sticking caliper and get it all back together but I've got some new pads on the way so it'll be easier when it comes to doing that.


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After the hassle I had once trying to put one of the calipers back together on the GT-Four, I decided never again to touch brakes and simply get someone else to do it for me.

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Never faffed with taking a calliper apart but changing pads / discs I've always used the winder, straight forward enough.

Stil got my front brakes to do actually... and now look for a leak between turbo / intercooler by the sound of it. Unless my car has lost a front tooth :D

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After the hassle I had once trying to put one of the calipers back together on the GT-Four, I decided never again to touch brakes and simply get someone else to do it for me.

Conversation between me and the mechanic at my Puma's last MOT:
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Standard calipers can be pushed back straight with a pipe grip or similar. Calipers that have an integrated hand brake (usually rear except for weird French cars) need to be wound back with special tool. BEWARE some cars have one standard thread wind back and one left handed. From memory mondeos have this and require ANOTHER special tool. Sorry I didn't mention this yesterday.


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