Fair enough. I guess the guy washing it isn't the best judge of the value
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| Author: | Cras [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 18:24 ] |
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Well if you will drive past BikNorton's house. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 19:28 ] |
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Dr Zoidberg wrote: How far through the PCP are you? Read up on voluntary termination. Not even a quarter through, but as it’s a PCP I won’t get anywhere near the 50% mark required for VT until near the end of the agreement. |
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 22:18 ] |
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Simply take your car to the Isle of Man and Hearthley will buy it. |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Sat Jun 16, 2018 0:50 ] |
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We are back to land rover *again* on Wednesday evening to discuss their fuck ups. By brilliant coincidence I pick up my superb Wednesday lunchtime, so if they manage to use a clean cloth I will be pissing myself. Otherwise I'll be with the police on a suspected arson charge. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:21 ] |
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Guy over the road is washing an Aston Martin V8 this morning. He's had some nice cars in his front garden, but that's probably the nicest |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 16:00 ] |
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He's still going. Apparently the cars worth in the region of £60k and the owner wanted it super shiny as he's looking to sell. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 16:20 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: He's still going. Apparently the cars worth in the region of £60k and the owner wanted it super shiny as he's looking to sell. It's going to have to very shiny indeed to raise that sort of money! It's a £30k car at best in a private sale. |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 17:13 ] |
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Trooper wrote: DavPaz wrote: He's still going. Apparently the cars worth in the region of £60k and the owner wanted it super shiny as he's looking to sell. It's going to have to very shiny indeed to raise that sort of money! It's a £30k car at best in a private sale. It’s a 2006 with about 30k miles so somewhere between £30-40k looks about right. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 18:23 ] |
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Fair enough. I guess the guy washing it isn't the best judge of the value
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| Author: | Grim... [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 22:27 ] |
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It would barely be £60k off the forecourt. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 13:04 ] |
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Whoa! https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1008655827803279360
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 13:12 ] |
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That means the Skoda I'm picking up tomorrow will be worth more right? |
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| Author: | markg [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 13:12 ] |
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It still find it amazing that apparently none of them foresaw that the shit might actually hit the fan over this at some point. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 13:36 ] |
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I highly recommend watching the episode called 'Hard NOx' from the Netflix series 'Dirty Money', it's absolute eye-popping to see what shit they were up to. It's an un-apologetically angry programme, to the extent that he goes for the Hitler angle. Which is perhaps taking things a bit far..... https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... -gibney-vw |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 14:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Gas Guzzling Money Pits |
Naughty flow restictor cheat thing? |
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| Author: | MrChris [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 14:52 ] |
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I freely admit I might be missing the actual point here, but I really can't see why it's such a big issue. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 14:55 ] |
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Well, it was fraud on a huge scale for one thing. |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 15:02 ] |
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Re emmissions: If it was "this is the test we will use to determine stuff" and the test determined stuff I find it hard to be massivy angry at a msnufacturerer for making something that does really well on the tests. It is a bit dubious, at most, I feel. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 15:03 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Re emmissions: If it was "this is the test we will use to determine stuff" and the test determined stuff I find it hard to be massivy angry at a msnufacturerer for making something that does really well on the tests. It is a bit dubious, at most, I feel. There's a difference between optimising the car so that it gets better results on the tests, and having the car detect test conditions and change its behaviour accordingly. In the first scenario, you could feasibly get those results out of the car in normal driving by closely replicating the test conditions. In the latter scenario, you can't. |
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| Author: | Malc [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 15:05 ] |
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MaliA wrote: Re emmissions: If it was "this is the test we will use to determine stuff" and the test determined stuff I find it hard to be massivy angry at a msnufacturerer for making something that does really well on the tests. It is a bit dubious, at most, I feel. I think it was more: "This is a test we will use to determine typical usage stuff" and the manufacturer made a thingy that went "when we are in test mode, I will give you the answers you want to see, when we are not in test mode I will maximise performance and fuck the emissions" |
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| Author: | markg [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 15:09 ] |
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Yeah, the cars were fitted with so called "defeat devices" that enable them to operate differently during the tests than when out on the road. It's not the first time this has been tried and so there are already very specific rules against it. It's so obviously outrageous and stupid that I can't believe that anyone thought it was a good idea and they richly deserve to be as fucked as they can be. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 15:49 ] |
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In simple terms the cars would switch between two modes. When it detected it was under test conditions it would switch to to a low-emissions mode that would be ruinous for both performance and fuel consumption out on the road, but passed the emissions test. When not under test conditions it would switch to its other mode which offered good performance and fuel consumption, but produced massively more NOx. Notwithstanding the fact that defeat devices are explicitly forbidden and the cars wouldn't have been allowed on the road without them, there's the fact that they will have contributed directly to multiple human deaths when you account for the huge amounts of NOx they were pumping out into already polluted cities. If you've got access to that Netflix programme I mentioned above, I'd very much suggest watching it. It's a case of massive corporate fraud and corruption, that will have been sanctioned at the highest levels of the organisations involved. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:18 ] |
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NSX chillin' in the two hour parking zone. It looks even more amazeballs in the flesh. Attachment: Screenshot 2018-06-21 at 10.16.42.png Attachment: Screenshot 2018-06-21 at 10.17.13.png
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| Author: | Cras [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:19 ] |
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How legal is that front numberplate? Nice looking motor. |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:21 ] |
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Pretty happy with the Octavia now. It looks a bit bland (especially in grey) and it could be faster, but overall it's a solid car. I'll probably keep it as the workhorse no matter what happens now, as it's only done 103k miles and could last another ten years. If I get enough cash in the future get something like an MX-5 or a track car project for fun. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:33 ] |
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Either the NSX is a chubby bugger, or that parking space is especially slim. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:43 ] |
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I'd say it's about the same width as the 5GT (assuming it's a standard sized parking space) based on my experiences of trying to park the fucking thing. //edit: Wider! 1,901mm (5GT) vs 1,940mm! |
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| Author: | MaliA [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:49 ] |
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I love that |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:56 ] |
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A snip at £175K! Or with 1500 miles on for £128K. I think they're cooler than a Ferrari or a Lambo though. Attachment: Screenshot 2018-06-21 at 10.55.47.png   Attachment: Screenshot 2018-06-21 at 10.57.22.png
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:59 ] |
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1500 miles cost £50k! |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:02 ] |
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DavPaz wrote: 1500 miles cost £50k! Seems pretty standard to me 
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| Author: | Zardoz [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:07 ] |
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I bet Cavey loves them, Twin Turbo Hybrid! |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:31 ] |
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Zardoz wrote: I bet Cavey loves them, Twin Turbo Hybrid! He'd only like it more if it were fully electric. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:32 ] |
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I love it, but don't think i'll ever get one. I'm a second hand performance car buyer, but i'm struggling to see where my next purchase will be when I start getting that sort of cash together again (if ever!). I bought my old NSX when it was 10 years old, did 25,000 miles in it with no problems, servicing cost the same as any other Honda, just on a 6000 mile interval rather than a 12,000 mile interval. Parts were reasonable, and it didn't need any anyway, other than a replacement ABS sensor which cost £120. All these uber tech hyper cars just don't seem like a reasonable second hand purchase, the risk factor of something going wrong is just too high and the cost of fixing it is likely to be crazy. It'll be interesting what happens to the prices of these in 10 years time. |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:41 ] |
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I can't help thinking that hybrid cars will seem like an incredibly complex irrelevance once electric advances even a bit more. Sort of the worst of both worlds. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:51 ] |
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Plug-in hybrids and, uhh, whatever non-plug-in ones are called are worth distinguishing between. The former, in particular, are a useful stepping stone until we have a nationwide charging infrastructure. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:55 ] |
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I think they're just called "hybrids". |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:00 ] |
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Plug-in hybrids and, uhh, whatever non-plug-in ones are called are worth distinguishing between. The former, in particular, are a useful stepping stone until we have a nationwide charging infrastructure. Yeah, I understand why they make sense now but I was thinking about years down the line when these cars get older. I think that hybrid sports cars like that NSX will become a bit undesirable compared to a pure i.c. contemporary. People will either want cars with i.c. engines because they have souls and make a loud sound or they'll want newer electric ones because they'll probably be faster and cheaper to run.
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:06 ] |
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Hybrid supercars are fast, though. Like - different level fast. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:19 ] |
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But in fairness you can say the same thing about a Tesla (until you go around a corner). |
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| Author: | markg [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:25 ] |
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Seems to go round corners ok too. Unless you drive it off the side of a hill obv. |
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| Author: | GazChap [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:58 ] |
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Trooper wrote: I bought my old NSX when it was 10 years old, did 25,000 miles in it with no problems, servicing cost the same as any other Honda, just on a 6000 mile interval rather than a 12,000 mile interval. Parts were reasonable, and it didn't need any anyway, other than a replacement ABS sensor which cost £120. I'd forgotten that you'd had an NSX. Do you have any pics of it? |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 13:20 ] |
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GazChap wrote: Trooper wrote: I bought my old NSX when it was 10 years old, did 25,000 miles in it with no problems, servicing cost the same as any other Honda, just on a 6000 mile interval rather than a 12,000 mile interval. Parts were reasonable, and it didn't need any anyway, other than a replacement ABS sensor which cost £120. I'd forgotten that you'd had an NSX. Do you have any pics of it? Just had a search back, but not that I can find! I had it around 2001-2002 until 2004, not sure I even had a digital camera back then. Earliest pictures I can find anywhere are 2006. |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 19:12 ] |
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I am out of diesel. |
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| Author: | Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 19:21 ] |
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That's a fine looking car |
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| Author: | flis [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 19:25 ] |
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That looks pretty nice Bik. How have you found the whole buying from the factory experience overall? It seemed like a hassle but now you have two very nice brand new cars has it been worth it? I can't imagine ever buying brand new, I probably would if I could, maybe... I'd get massive guilt over it though I reckon! One of the guys who works in our building was testing driving the Bentley 4x4, he's going over Rolls Royce next week to try one of those but currently prefers Land Rover over Bentley. Oh to have those problems. |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 19:54 ] |
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Land rover and Listers have turned Helen's car into an absolute nightmare full of constantly putting different people with different stories in front of her, culminating in a meeting with 4 managers last night where a last ditch plan was agreed - only for the leaving "put it all in an email" being full of lies. So that deal is going to be unwound, with unavoidable cost to us, and starting again, first stop being Skoda to have another go in kodiaqs. The only thing wrong with the Skoda was the guy who 'left' making a marginal error on the order which they worked to compensate, including giving me a bunch of flowers to give to Helen 'because of the trouble she's had with land rover'. |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 19:58 ] |
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Well, they could do better with tracking orders. Also Jesus I had to wait so long, inconsiderate other bastards buying cars. In short, I guess 'if you want new, try to stomach the not-quite-ideal-spec you'll probably end up with buying out of the channel'. |
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| Author: | flis [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 20:07 ] |
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What are the issues with Helen's car? I saw you said the finish wasn't as expected but I guess that's not the full extent of it. Yeah waiting three months isn't ideal! |
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| Author: | myp [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 20:41 ] |
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That looks… …wait for it… …it's coming… …nearly there… Superb! |
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