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Author:  MaliA [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:38 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Just worked out it's 55mpg based on my 50lt tank, don't drive it economically either.
MrsDoc filled our car with petrol last week. We last filled it driving back from Grim...'s on New Year's Day.

We probably shouldn't own a car.

Does petrol go off? :D

If left in the open it becomes unusable in about a year.


In WW2, During the Africa campaign, the British troops had huge problems with fuel evaporating from their storage containers. The German army didn't suffer nearly so badly, so enemy fuel drums were much prized amongst the allied troops. Which is why fuel containers ate known as jerry cans.
Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:25 ]
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SPOILER ALERT

It's on its way back to me. This is after I refunded the buyer and put in an insurance claim.

Funny how they magically found it when the alternative was paying out. They were going to send it on to the addressee too before I kicked up a fuss!

Fucking Parcelforce bastards.
Author:  Trooper [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:04 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
SPOILER ALERT



Very witty, 827 bananas
Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 14:37 ]
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Door and turbo fixed. Drives like a completely different car!

Still some minor issues but I'll take those to my local garage.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 14:48 ]
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Did they say what it was?

Glad you've got it sorted.
Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 14:56 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Did they say what it was?

Glad you've got it sorted.

I saw him fix it. Actuator had come loose.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 15:14 ]
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Result!
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 18:18 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Door and turbo fixed. Drives like a completely different car!

Still some minor issues but I'll take those to my local garage.


Excellent news. What's the minor stuff?
Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 20:31 ]
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Door and turbo fixed. Drives like a completely different car!

Still some minor issues but I'll take those to my local garage.


Excellent news. What's the minor stuff?

Electric wing mirror adjuster just alters nearside mirror on both settings (probably the switch then)
Driver side reading light doesn't stay on when pressed
Driver door doesn't unlock with remote button (all others do)

I think that's it.
Author:  Findus Fop [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 20:45 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Door and turbo fixed. Drives like a completely different car!

Still some minor issues but I'll take those to my local garage.


Excellent news. What's the minor stuff?

Electric wing mirror adjuster just alters nearside mirror on both settings (probably the switch then)
Driver side reading light doesn't stay on when pressed
Driver door doesn't unlock with remote button (all others do)

I think that's it.

Would happily live with all those apart from the driver door. That would mash my tits. Glad you've ended up with a decent motor, must have been stressful after the last one.
Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 20:46 ]
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Yeah it's pretty nice! Not as comfy as the Merc but so much better on fuel and handles better. The less said about the Bora the better!

Might even think about the stage 1 remap as my mate might be able to get it cheap for me.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 20:47 ]
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Petrol doesn't really go off if it's sat in your tank, but sediment can settle after a while.

Enough of it can bung up the fuel filter, but it's not really a legitimate concern.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 21:08 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Might even think about the stage 1 remap as my mate might be able to get it cheap for me.

Beware the insurance premiums.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 21:22 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Might even think about the stage 1 remap as my mate might be able to get it cheap for me.

Beware the insurance premiums.


I don’t really advocate not disclosing things to insurers, but on a car of this age you’ve got no way of knowing that a previous owner might have remapped it.
Author:  Curiosity [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 21:26 ]
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Trooper wrote:
GazChap wrote:
Trooper wrote:
You can tell the dvla online that you have sold a car these day, no need to post in the V5. That makes life a lot easier, let me just go online and do that.

What's the link for this? When I sold Jem's Skoda earlier in the year (but not that long ago) everything was quite clear that you couldn't do it online and that you needed to post the V5 back.

Same with changing the address on the V5.


https://www.gov.uk/sold-bought-vehicle

Address change still has to be done via paper, I think.
edit: yeah, that's still a paper process
https://www.gov.uk/change-name-address-v5c


I sold my old car, and gave them the car and the V5. Try to stop my direct debit on the tax and it won’t let me online as I need the V5. Sodding dealer hasn’t changed it so I need to call them. Ugh.
Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 21:42 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Trooper wrote:
GazChap wrote:
Trooper wrote:
You can tell the dvla online that you have sold a car these day, no need to post in the V5. That makes life a lot easier, let me just go online and do that.

What's the link for this? When I sold Jem's Skoda earlier in the year (but not that long ago) everything was quite clear that you couldn't do it online and that you needed to post the V5 back.

Same with changing the address on the V5.


https://www.gov.uk/sold-bought-vehicle

Address change still has to be done via paper, I think.
edit: yeah, that's still a paper process
https://www.gov.uk/change-name-address-v5c


I sold my old car, and gave them the car and the V5. Try to stop my direct debit on the tax and it won’t let me online as I need the V5. Sodding dealer hasn’t changed it so I need to call them. Ugh.

Yeah, you're meant to do the V5 yourself.

Although I did the same thing with the Bora!
Author:  myp [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 21:43 ]
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Might even think about the stage 1 remap as my mate might be able to get it cheap for me.

Beware the insurance premiums.


I don’t really advocate not disclosing things to insurers, but on a car of this age you’ve got no way of knowing that a previous owner might have remapped it.

I'm not sure that still gives me a leg to stand on, but the risk is pretty minimal unless I kill someone I guess. Even then would they think to check an engine mapping? Who knows.

From what I've read your insurance premium goes up a bit but it's not astronomical anyway.
Author:  Trooper [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 21:45 ]
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Curiosity wrote:
Trooper wrote:
GazChap wrote:
Trooper wrote:
You can tell the dvla online that you have sold a car these day, no need to post in the V5. That makes life a lot easier, let me just go online and do that.

What's the link for this? When I sold Jem's Skoda earlier in the year (but not that long ago) everything was quite clear that you couldn't do it online and that you needed to post the V5 back.

Same with changing the address on the V5.


https://www.gov.uk/sold-bought-vehicle

Address change still has to be done via paper, I think.
edit: yeah, that's still a paper process
https://www.gov.uk/change-name-address-v5c


I sold my old car, and gave them the car and the V5. Try to stop my direct debit on the tax and it won’t let me online as I need the V5. Sodding dealer hasn’t changed it so I need to call them. Ugh.


If you sold it to a dealer, they should have given you the yellow bit so you can cancel your tax. A dealer won't change the v5 until they sell the car, as it will add another owner to it.
Author:  Grim... [ Thu Jun 14, 2018 21:56 ]
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Can't you cancel the direct debit with your bank?
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:51 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
From what I've read your insurance premium goes up a bit but it's not astronomical anyway.

Also, due to it's age and milage factor in a possibility of needing a new clutch. Fairly common for them to give up the ghost with the added torque.
Author:  myp [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:02 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
From what I've read your insurance premium goes up a bit but it's not astronomical anyway.

Also, due to it's age and milage factor in a possibility of needing a new clutch. Fairly common for them to give up the ghost with the added torque.

Clutches will go on cars of that age no matter what. Look at my Civic and the Bora too. They're a consumable item, after all.
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:08 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Zardoz wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
From what I've read your insurance premium goes up a bit but it's not astronomical anyway.

Also, due to it's age and milage factor in a possibility of needing a new clutch. Fairly common for them to give up the ghost with the added torque.

Clutches will go on cars of that age no matter what. Look at my Civic and the Bora too. They're a consumable item, after all.

Yes. I know full well having replaced mine (flywheel and gearbox too) a month ago. Just saying the extra oomph might be just enough for it to go as soon as it's mapped so be prepared monetarily x
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:09 ]
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Pics of your Civic and the Bora too plz
Author:  GazChap [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 16:13 ]
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I requested a settlement figure for the PCP on the 5GT earlier in the week. £18,182.

I reckon I could just about sell it for a little bit more than that, or very slightly under.

I could then get a cheaper snotter, like a £1,500 E39 estate or an Audi A4 estate or something like that and run that into the ground.

Fuel costs would be higher, but I wouldn't be paying just to have the car, and insurance should also be dramatically cheaper.

Decisions... decisions...

(the other thing is whether anyone would actually buy a car like that in a situation where they would need to pay the finance company over the phone)
Author:  myp [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 16:24 ]
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I'm not even sure you're allowed to.
Author:  GazChap [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 17:18 ]
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It's pretty normal apparently, the sticking point comes in that it can take some time for a payment to clear.

I think this is why it's normally recommended that the person buying the car is the one that rings up to pay the finance company from their own account, rather than giving you the money and have you pay it off - they know they've made the payment then.
Author:  Cras [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 17:33 ]
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GazChap wrote:
It's pretty normal apparently, the sticking point comes in that it can take some time for a payment to clear.

I think this is why it's normally recommended that the person buying the car is the one that rings up to pay the finance company from their own account, rather than giving you the money and have you pay it off - they know they've made the payment then.


I think the latter instance wouldn't be permissible. Because in essence you're selling something you don't yet own.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 18:14 ]
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How far through the PCP are you? Read up on voluntary termination.
Author:  krazywookie [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 18:15 ]
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Rare moment of unalloyed joy.
Author:  krazywookie [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 18:16 ]
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And yesterday's surprise road block.
Author:  Cras [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 18:24 ]
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Well if you will drive past BikNorton's house.
Author:  GazChap [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 19:28 ]
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
How far through the PCP are you? Read up on voluntary termination.

Not even a quarter through, but as it’s a PCP I won’t get anywhere near the 50% mark required for VT until near the end of the agreement.
Author:  Zardoz [ Fri Jun 15, 2018 22:18 ]
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Simply take your car to the Isle of Man and Hearthley will buy it.
Author:  BikNorton [ Sat Jun 16, 2018 0:50 ]
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We are back to land rover *again* on Wednesday evening to discuss their fuck ups.

By brilliant coincidence I pick up my superb Wednesday lunchtime, so if they manage to use a clean cloth I will be pissing myself.

Otherwise I'll be with the police on a suspected arson charge.
Author:  DavPaz [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:21 ]
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Guy over the road is washing an Aston Martin V8 this morning. He's had some nice cars in his front garden, but that's probably the nicest
Author:  DavPaz [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 16:00 ]
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He's still going. Apparently the cars worth in the region of £60k and the owner wanted it super shiny as he's looking to sell.
Author:  Trooper [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 16:20 ]
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DavPaz wrote:
He's still going. Apparently the cars worth in the region of £60k and the owner wanted it super shiny as he's looking to sell.


It's going to have to very shiny indeed to raise that sort of money! It's a £30k car at best in a private sale.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 17:13 ]
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Trooper wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
He's still going. Apparently the cars worth in the region of £60k and the owner wanted it super shiny as he's looking to sell.


It's going to have to very shiny indeed to raise that sort of money! It's a £30k car at best in a private sale.


It’s a 2006 with about 30k miles so somewhere between £30-40k looks about right.
Author:  DavPaz [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 18:23 ]
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Fair enough. I guess the guy washing it isn't the best judge of the value :DD
Author:  Grim... [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 22:27 ]
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It would barely be £60k off the forecourt.
Author:  Doctor Glyndwr [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 13:04 ]
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Whoa!

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1008655827803279360
Author:  BikNorton [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 13:12 ]
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That means the Skoda I'm picking up tomorrow will be worth more right?
Author:  markg [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 13:12 ]
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It still find it amazing that apparently none of them foresaw that the shit might actually hit the fan over this at some point.
Author:  Hearthly [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 13:36 ]
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I highly recommend watching the episode called 'Hard NOx' from the Netflix series 'Dirty Money', it's absolute eye-popping to see what shit they were up to.

It's an un-apologetically angry programme, to the extent that he goes for the Hitler angle. Which is perhaps taking things a bit far.....

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... -gibney-vw
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 14:45 ]
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Naughty flow restictor cheat thing?
Author:  MrChris [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 14:52 ]
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I freely admit I might be missing the actual point here, but I really can't see why it's such a big issue.
Author:  Trooper [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 14:55 ]
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Well, it was fraud on a huge scale for one thing.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 15:02 ]
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Re emmissions: If it was "this is the test we will use to determine stuff" and the test determined stuff I find it hard to be massivy angry at a msnufacturerer for making something that does really well on the tests. It is a bit dubious, at most, I feel.
Author:  GazChap [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 15:03 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Re emmissions: If it was "this is the test we will use to determine stuff" and the test determined stuff I find it hard to be massivy angry at a msnufacturerer for making something that does really well on the tests. It is a bit dubious, at most, I feel.

There's a difference between optimising the car so that it gets better results on the tests, and having the car detect test conditions and change its behaviour accordingly.

In the first scenario, you could feasibly get those results out of the car in normal driving by closely replicating the test conditions.

In the latter scenario, you can't.
Author:  Malc [ Tue Jun 19, 2018 15:05 ]
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MaliA wrote:
Re emmissions: If it was "this is the test we will use to determine stuff" and the test determined stuff I find it hard to be massivy angry at a msnufacturerer for making something that does really well on the tests. It is a bit dubious, at most, I feel.


I think it was more: "This is a test we will use to determine typical usage stuff" and the manufacturer made a thingy that went "when we are in test mode, I will give you the answers you want to see, when we are not in test mode I will maximise performance and fuck the emissions"
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