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I felt nervous in the Honda Jazz I had recently... it didn't feel very stable and I was afraid it was going to topple over or lose grip constantly.

DBSnappas car taste is borked.

Judging from your first statement, you don't want to be looking at Skylines.

Zardoz wrote:

Judging from your first statement, you don't want to be looking at Skylines.

That's what I mean - if they need new parts and shit every 10 minutes then count me out but if they are solid as fuck and a local garage will look after me I don't mind slinging £2000 a year at it in petrol and the odd tyre if I've already paid for it.

Or failing that a Focus ST.

I never liked them, and their l@@k! retr@ c@@l styling. And when Madonna rhymed super duper and Mini Cooper well then they were truly deader than dead.

I want something that goes relatively zippy though as I've got used to a sub 6s 0-60. I'd love a Skyline (wouldn't mind springing more for that obv) for instance but I bet it needs love and attention that I can't give it.

To explain if I clear the finance I don't mind spending the money on fuel as I'll be saving a shitload on repayments. If I'm still having to pay finance then I want a diesel/1 litre car to offset the finance payments.

I've driven one and they're ok. Nothing special, though.

Oh, don't get me wrong, it was a fairly quick car and handled really well. I just really don't like the styling of it.

My car is a boat in comparison and I don't particularly like it, hence I'm getting rid.

Also, there's fuck-all boot space and room in the back seats. It's like having a Mini Coupe rather than a hatchback. Plus they're expensive for what they are.

markg wrote:

I never liked them, and their l@@k! retr@ c@@l styling. And when Madonna rhymed super duper and Mini Cooper well then they were truly deader than dead.

OOh, a bunch of image conscious nerds, whatever next. Not liking a car because of it's image is truly the epitome of pathetic. If you said "I've driven it and don't like it's amazingly direct handling and performance that will shame much more powerful cars" is one thing but saying you don't like it because it's popular with estate agents or a trash pop star rhymed it with super duper is truly cretinous.

Have you driven one?

OK here's the deal - current monthly car cost including repayments, fuel, insurance and rfl - £800

If car goes then £500+ ish of that monthly figure also goes so I don't mind if the replacement costs me £250 a month in petrol as my net cost will still be £450 a month cheaper (Providing I have bought outright) BUT I don't want a car that needs me to know anything about it AT ALL.

I can probably stretch to about £5k to pay outright so does that give anyone any decent ideas?

DBSnappa wrote:

markg wrote:

I never liked them, and their l@@k! retr@ c@@l styling. And when Madonna rhymed super duper and Mini Cooper well then they were truly deader than dead.

It's not it's "image" it's what it actually looks like, I find them fucking hideous and I hate the whole retro thing with cars. Or are we not allowed to even care what cars look like? Also if I was buying a car specifically to be fun to drive it certainly wouldn't be a front wheel drive supermini, because I don't find them all that entertaining, fast but just not all that fun. As for the Madonna thing, I wasn't actually being entirely serious.

pushing the accelerator causes the nose to scrub out wide, but lift off for a second and this turns into oversteer without warning.

Won't all front wheel cars do that?

I went up to Motoscope in Northallerton today...

Yes, I'm doing all this stuff in my MR2.

Author:	metalangel [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:43 ]
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I felt nervous in the Honda Jazz I had recently... it didn't feel very stable and I was afraid it was going to topple over or lose grip constantly.

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 15:45 ]
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MetalAngel wrote: I felt nervous in the Honda Jazz I had recently... it didn't feel very stable and I was afraid it was going to topple over or lose grip constantly. Now you know why biddies drive everywhere at 18mph

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 15:47 ]
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Zardoz wrote: DBSnappas car taste is borked. Explain before I hunt you down and shoot you for the dog you are

Author:	markg [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 15:48 ]
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Mini Cooper, 'nuff said.

Author:	myp [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 15:49 ]
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Only estate agents drive them these days.

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Author:	markg [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 15:53 ]
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I never liked them, and their l@@k! retr@ c@@l styling. And when Madonna rhymed super duper and Mini Cooper well then they were truly deader than dead.

Author:	myp [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 15:55 ]
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Akon ruined the Lamborghini Gallardo more for me when he tried to rhyme it with the word 'shadow'.

Author:	Trousers [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:02 ]
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I have decided to get rid of my car as it's costing me a fucking fortune every month. Having driven the wife's for the last 3 weeks and noticed that I only have to fill it up once every 3 weeks rather than once a week the precise nature of my folly has become apparent. Choices now are - take the hit on on the scandalous BMW finance settlement figure and just buy a second hand motor for a couple of grand outright or trade my lease in for a another BMW but one that's more "sensible" and reduce my monthly payments and petrol bill. I know fuck all about maintenance of cars so what are the odds of me finding something fairly tazzy for a couple of grand that doesn't need a load of work carrying out every five minutes?

Author:	Zardoz [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:13 ]
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The odds are in your favour I'd say Trousers. You want to have a butchers in the Autotrader.

Author:	GazChap [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:15 ]
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Get yourself an early Mondeo Ghia X, Trousers. They may not be the most exciting of cars but the Ghia X trim level is great and they're pretty reliable as Fords go. Can be had dirt cheap too.

Author:	Zardoz [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:21 ]
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It all depends on what size you need really. Oh and don't listen to DBSnappa

Author:	myp [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:22 ]
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I'm getting rid of my car completely due to cost issues. I reckon I'll be able to save about £350 a month from not running it.

Author:	BikNorton [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:22 ]
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Anything early-to-mid 90s from Japan will be completely bomb-proof, have a small-ish engine, weigh fuck all, and cheap. Like anything else from the early-to-mid 90s, though, you may as well drive around with a psychopath in the passenger seat and a bomb in the boot, because anything more than a robust tap and you'll be maimed to death (like me in my '97 3-series! Hooray!).

Author:	Trousers [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:44 ]
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I want something that goes relatively zippy though as I've got used to a sub 6s 0-60. I'd love a Skyline (wouldn't mind springing more for that obv) for instance but I bet it needs love and attention that I can't give it. To explain if I clear the finance I don't mind spending the money on fuel as I'll be saving a shitload on repayments. If I'm still having to pay finance then I want a diesel/1 litre car to offset the finance payments.

Author:	Zardoz [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:48 ]
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Judging from your first statement, you don't want to be looking at Skylines. Unless you go for the 1.2 model.

Author:	Trousers [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:54 ]
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Zardoz wrote: Judging from your first statement, you don't want to be looking at Skylines. That's what I mean - if they need new parts and shit every 10 minutes then count me out but if they are solid as fuck and a local garage will look after me I don't mind slinging £2000 a year at it in petrol and the odd tyre if I've already paid for it. (HEY HEY While I remember while checking my finance documents I got the exact figure for my tyre insurance - £127. Bear in mind one tyre costs just shy of £200 that's some fucking mental insurance that is when I've had two already.)

Author:	GazChap [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:56 ]
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Get a 1.8l Celica T-sport! They're under 8K now, they're relatively zippy (0-60 in 7s) and they return good mpg too - 30 to 34 depending on driving style. Plus they look cool

Author:	Zardoz [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:59 ]
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That's the problem with sports/racing type motors they're tuned to a hairs bredth away from a garage. Get yourself down to the garages and try stuff out like Seat (Cupra Range) Honda (Type R range) Celicas etc. If you want something solid with a little oomph.

Author:	BikNorton [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 16:59 ]
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Trousers wrote: Zardoz wrote: Judging from your first statement, you don't want to be looking at Skylines. That's what I mean - if they need new parts and shit every 10 minutes then count me out but if they are solid as fuck and a local garage will look after me I don't mind slinging £2000 a year at it in petrol and the odd tyre if I've already paid for it. I think zardoz was referring more to the fuel consumption that goes with any bigly turbocharged engine. A VAG 1.8T is quite a good mid-point regarding fuel:performance, my Octavia vRS* still returns 35mpg. I don't think a Leon Cupra R would be quite as good, with the 225ps engine. They're not exactly as reliable as you might think, though. My Octy had 6 warranty items in 18 months, and it's been crying out for a good turbo diagnosis/fettle for a year;it used to return 40+ mpg, which I'd be annoyed at but as my girlfriend's daily drive it's up to her how and when she pays for things. It needs the cambelt doing in November, too - 4 years/45k miles, and the waterpump needs doing at the same time. * A reasonable 52 plate should be approaching 4k by now.

Author:	Sir Taxalot [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:03 ]
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DBSnappa wrote: Or failing that a Focus ST. I love our one, but it isn't especially economical to run, and there are so many of them around so we won't be able to sell it on for all that much. Really, we are tempted to get rid of one/both our cars and get something more economical. Despite that, I still really want the new RS (if it turns out to be good). I like the style of the Punto, and the 500 too, but I've only ever heard bad things about fiats and that really puts me off.

Author:	Zardoz [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:10 ]
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BikNorton wrote: A VAG Pussy magnet?

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:17 ]
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markg wrote: I never liked them, and their l@@k! retr@ c@@l styling. And when Madonna rhymed super duper and Mini Cooper well then they were truly deader than dead. OOh, a bunch of image conscious nerds, whatever next. Not liking a car because of it's image is truly the epitome of pathetic. If you said "I've driven it and don't like it's amazingly direct handling and performance that will shame much more powerful cars" is one thing but saying you don't like it because it's popular with estate agents or a trash pop star rhymed it with super duper is truly cretinous. Have you driven one?

Author:	myp [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:19 ]
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I've driven one and they're ok. Nothing special, though.

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:20 ]
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Trousers wrote: I want something that goes relatively zippy though as I've got used to a sub 6s 0-60. I'd love a Skyline (wouldn't mind springing more for that obv) for instance but I bet it needs love and attention that I can't give it. To explain if I clear the finance I don't mind spending the money on fuel as I'll be saving a shitload on repayments. If I'm still having to pay finance then I want a diesel/1 litre car to offset the finance payments. What the fuck did you buy? Last time I spoke with you about it you were toying with the idea of a diesel accord, not an autobahn stormer? Anyway, there are a metric fuckton of cars you can buy that will be fun and cost very little.

Author:	metalangel [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:22 ]
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You can't cuss DBSnappa's knowledge of cars, as he is* Eddie Irvine *similar in appearance to

Author:	kalmar [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:24 ]
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Get a Cors-_erk! Actually no, get a good value second hand Toyota Yaris and taunt Curious Gnomes with it

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:24 ]
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myoptika wrote: I've driven one and they're ok. Nothing special, though. If it was a Cooper S then I'd suggest the tracking or tyre pressures were out if you thought it was nothing special. Sure, they're not much fun around town, particularly if the car you drove has been specced up with huge wheels, which are always about show at the expense of handling integrity. You own a previous gen Civic S, or is it current?

Author:	myp [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:34 ]
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Oh, don't get me wrong, it was a fairly quick car and handled really well. I just really don't like the styling of it. My car is a boat in comparison and I don't particularly like it, hence I'm getting rid.

Author:	myp [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:38 ]
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Also, there's fuck-all boot space and room in the back seats. It's like having a Mini Coupe rather than a hatchback. Plus they're expensive for what they are.

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:42 ]
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myoptika wrote: Oh, don't get me wrong, it was a fairly quick car and handled really well. I just really don't like the styling of it. My car is a boat in comparison and I don't particularly like it, hence I'm getting rid. I hate the interior with a passion, but I'd still have one for the fun of driving.

Author:	DBSnappa [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:43 ]
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myoptika wrote: Also, there's fuck-all boot space and room in the back seats. It's like having a Mini Coupe rather than a hatchback. Plus they're expensive for what they are. It would be a toy if I got one. I have a barge for lugging gear and dogs already.

Author:	Trousers [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:45 ]
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OK here's the deal - current monthly car cost including repayments, fuel, insurance and rfl - £800 If car goes then £500+ ish of that monthly figure also goes so I don't mind if the replacement costs me £250 a month in petrol as my net cost will still be £450 a month cheaper (Providing I have bought outright) BUT I don't want a car that needs me to know anything about it AT ALL. I can probably stretch to about £5k to pay outright so does that give anyone any decent ideas?

Author:	metalangel [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 17:51 ]
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Skoda Fabia? You aren't allowed to know much about it, the large plastic cover over most of the engine is to stop you fiddling, and it's unlikely anything will go wrong to require you fiddling anyway.

Author:	markg [ Tue Sep 16, 2008 18:00 ]
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DBSnappa wrote: markg wrote: I never liked them, and their l@@k! retr@ c@@l styling. And when Madonna rhymed super duper and Mini Cooper well then they were truly deader than dead. OOh, a bunch of image conscious nerds, whatever next. Not liking a car because of it's image is truly the epitome of pathetic. If you said "I've driven it and don't like it's amazingly direct handling and performance that will shame much more powerful cars" is one thing but saying you don't like it because it's popular with estate agents or a trash pop star rhymed it with super duper is truly cretinous. Have you driven one? It's not it's "image" it's what it actually looks like, I find them fucking hideous and I hate the whole retro thing with cars. Or are we not allowed to even care what cars look like? Also if I was buying a car specifically to be fun to drive it certainly wouldn't be a front wheel drive supermini, because I don't find them all that entertaining, fast but just not all that fun. As for the Madonna thing, I wasn't actually being entirely serious.