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Author:  GazChap [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 20:55 ]
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devilman wrote:
How many cup holders though?

Don't know about cup holders but it's got a decent ironing board.

Also, is it just me or has car insurance pricing gone up massively in the last month or two? I was getting quotes on 5GTs that were about £400-500 per year for my circumstances, and now I'm buggered if I can get below £750.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 21:20 ]
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£411 for a Rover 25 mate.
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Tue Aug 15, 2017 22:08 ]
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GazChap wrote:
devilman wrote:
How many cup holders though?

Don't know about cup holders but it's got a decent ironing board.

Also, is it just me or has car insurance pricing gone up massively in the last month or two? I was getting quotes on 5GTs that were about £400-500 per year for my circumstances, and now I'm buggered if I can get below £750.

I had to downspec this car. Only a five class jump, but a seven class jump from current for the Amg line was going to triple my premium. It's all down to the Ogden case and a tiny bit extra due to Ipt but it's a one off bump, 25% on average this year.
Author:  Hearthly [ Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:10 ]
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I've been watching a lot of this guy's videos on YouTube, they're really good.

He basically just picks one car per episode, and talks about the stuff he likes and doesn't like, takes it for a drive, talks about that, and then gives it a DOUG SCORE.

Simple enough format, the chap himself seems to know his stuff fairly well, and is frequently quite funny. He had many mean things to say about the new Type-R.

He also has an opinion of the 996 911 that Cavey may not find entirely agreeable....
Author:  myp [ Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:49 ]
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Sounds like he's being contrary for the sake of views.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Sun Aug 20, 2017 13:11 ]
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Went out for a test drive in a Fiat 124 Spider yesterday as the sun was out. It was moderately brisk rather than stunningly fast, and seemed to grip nicely going round bends though there's only so much you can push things on a short test drive with someone sat next to you. Annoyingly, the seat was about an inch too narrow across my shoulder blades, so I couldn't get properly comfortable.

The engine and gearbox weren't as smooth as I was expecting, and it just didn't feel special enough to tempt me, plus the whole sales experience was pretty poor. They came out with no end of blatant nonsense about this car and other vehicles, gave a laughably poor part-ex valuation and then tried to insist this was really generous even though I'd already told them what I'd been offered by Mini.

Oh, and they wouldn't let me take the printout they'd done of the finance quote as that was "a legal document", so I just took a photo of it which seemed to annoy them slightly.

Underwhelmed/10

By contrast, when I'd been to Mini, there was no bullshit, no high pressure sales tactics and I'd just been given the keys and told to bring the car back before they closed that day.
Author:  Hearthly [ Sun Aug 20, 2017 14:25 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Sounds like he's being contrary for the sake of views.


I think he makes a good case for the 996. Once you've got past the headlights, I agree with him that the rest of the car looks great. Then you've got the one thing that's known to fail on them which is a $2000 pre-emptive fix. (Remember the cylinder problem only affected the 996 for a short period of time, so you just get one that was built after they'd sorted that.)

Thereafter you're getting a 911 for tens of thousands of dollars less than any other iteration, which drives and handles like you'd expect a 911 to.

If it weren't for the fact that they totally fail the family test, I'd seriously consider one myself.

I mean, we're talking Civic Type-R money here, to be driving around in a Porsche 911.

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Author:  BikNorton [ Sun Aug 20, 2017 19:06 ]
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I'm not allowed a Porsche :(

If not a 996 a panamera - it's grown on me quite considerably, and the plummeting value does not hurt that.
Author:  MaliA [ Sun Aug 20, 2017 20:01 ]
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Now, I really want a 996 911 some more numbers. But it isn't MaliCool.
That Alfa 124 is super Malicool.
Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:20 ]
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Full engine rebuild rings alarm bells.
Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:21 ]
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Passenger side electric window relay had gone all crunchy and has added constant ventilation to my car.
Author:  Findus Fop [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:54 ]
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Would
Author:  Zardoz [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:56 ]
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Those alloys would be a nightmare to clean.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:06 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Those alloys would be a nightmare to clean.

If you could afford it, you could afford for someone to detail it once a month.
Author:  markg [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:39 ]
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Ideal for the environmentally conscious billionaire to get to their private jet.
Author:  Cavey [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 18:57 ]
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Hearthly wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Sounds like he's being contrary for the sake of views.


I think he makes a good case for the 996. Once you've got past the headlights, I agree with him that the rest of the car looks great. Then you've got the one thing that's known to fail on them which is a $2000 pre-emptive fix. (Remember the cylinder problem only affected the 996 for a short period of time, so you just get one that was built after they'd sorted that.)

Thereafter you're getting a 911 for tens of thousands of dollars less than any other iteration, which drives and handles like you'd expect a 911 to.

If it weren't for the fact that they totally fail the family test, I'd seriously consider one myself.

I mean, we're talking Civic Type-R money here, to be driving around in a Porsche 911.

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I haven't seen the vid yet (at work :) ), but look at that car spec - it's had a blown up engine (surely not eh ;) ) and third party "rebuild" (which may or may not have been "thrashed in" by the previous owner who blew up the engine in the first place). It's also done 70000 miles, which is relatively shitloads (especially for a 996 911), assuming that's even a verifiable figure, which I doubt, given there's no mention of full Porsche service history (so it won't have it).

In terms of the car itself, it's a wobbly old cabrio, it's 4WD which nobody wants..... and worst of all it comes with whiny, awful, entirely defunct *TIPTRONIC* 'box....?

Fuck me, you don't half pick 'em. :D £24,000 for this?

This car is demonstrably and objectively vastly worse than the very nice, tidy, low mileage, manual, second-gen BOXSTER S that ~£25k buys you. It's at least as fast (probably faster 'cause it won't be a shagged old shitheap with rebuilt motor and power-sapping Tiptronic 'box), handles much, much better (smaller, stiffer, shorter wheelbase, lighter, variable damping (newer) shocks, mid-engined so much better weight distribution). The ONLY reason you'd spurn one for this old shed is to be able to say "I've got a Porsche 911" which is fine of course, it's a free country after all - but in that case about the only people you're actually going to impress are clueless anyway.

So yeah, bad idea. :)
Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 19:27 ]
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I just picked one that looked shiny and was the same price I'd paid for the Type-R, if you search Autotrader nationally for 911s and then add a '996' filter there are 33 pages of them, so plenty to choose from, and loads around the £22-£25K mark.

Obviously if I were actually intending to buy one I'd do a whole lot more research, I wasn't highlighting that specific car as one I'd buy, but the 'right' 996. (Note the phrase 'I'd consider one myself')

Porsche Club GB don't seem to write it off - https://www.porscheclubgb.com/regions-r ... e-911-(996)-buyers-guide

It's all a moot point anyway really as we're a one-car family since Mrs Hearthly never managed to pass her test, so the chance of me getting a Porsche 911 as the family ride is precisely zero, but I stand by the basic point that if you were careful in choosing one, it seems to me like a (relatively) affordable way to own a perfectly good 911.

This fella is up at £24,990 and looks fantastic IMO.

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Author:  MaliA [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 19:29 ]
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They start at £12k. Or 20 Exciting Rovers.
Author:  Hearthly [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 19:58 ]
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MaliA wrote:
They start at £12k. Or 20 Exciting Rovers.


You sound like my dad, he used to measure everything in how many Maxis he could buy for any given item. (He generally had a maximum budget of about £250-£300 to buy a car, and bought nothing but fucking Austin Maxis (1500 and 1750, in various trim levels) until the last ones had finally descended into the pits of hell, at which point he moved onto Maestros.)

I recall paying £1000 for an exotic Sony hi-fi separates system once I became eligible for credit, to be greeted with an incredulous 'One thousand pounds? I could buy four Maxis for that!'

The Austin Maxi was almost a legitimate unit of currency in our house.
Author:  ApplePieOfDestiny [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 20:08 ]
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34 months of unblemished service in the xtrail and it throws an engine management light the day before we need to use it to drive to the airport for th first time in 35 months. Dick.
Author:  Cavey [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 20:24 ]
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Yep, nice shiny silver car picture. :)

Mate, in the nicest possible way you just can't be told, not the last time - or now. It doesn't matter that this is my thing, or much more importantly the guys I hang with love and breathe this stuff and have been directly affected etc., you know better, because shiny or whatever. I particularly like how the very example you chose had a blown engine... you make me smile, man. Don't ever change. :)
Author:  Grim... [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 23:38 ]
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Findus Fop wrote:
Would

That's fucking glorious.
Author:  MaliA [ Mon Aug 21, 2017 23:54 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Would

That's fucking glorious.


Apart from the front. The front looks like a poor kid at a prom.
Author:  Grim... [ Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:52 ]
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What? No. That looks lovely too.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:08 ]
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Grim... wrote:
What? No. That looks lovely too.


It's like a kid with horrid braces smiling.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:09 ]
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41005208

Exciting Rover now quadruples in value
Author:  markg [ Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:11 ]
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Is that £2K off what you would actually end up paying with no scrapper or £2K off the list price that nobody pays anyway?
Author:  Zardoz [ Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:32 ]
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No doubt it'll be £2k off the RRP.
Author:  MaliA [ Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:36 ]
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Quote:
Offer not available in conjunction with any other customer saving programme.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Tue Aug 22, 2017 13:00 ]
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MaliA wrote:

Exciting Rover now quadruples in value


Did you fill it with fuel?
Author:  Mr Russell [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:11 ]
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So after having our car stolen, we have a load of paperwork to fill in about what happened, where the car was at the time, who saw it last, driver details etc.

One of the questions asked is 'what was the value of the car at the time it was stolen?'

What is it reasonable to put here? As a consumer am I expected to research things like Parkers and Autotrader for similar cars and similar mileage and take an average of those prices, or do we pluck a value out of thin air based on the purchase price, or do we write 'market value' as that is what the car is insured for?

Is there any disadvantage here to writing in a figure as really this is not an expert opinion, so could they hold us to it? Do people filling this in normally stick in as high a figure as they can get away with and hope to not get busted for insurance fraud?

Please, please help, this is a point of worry as to what we should write in here.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:20 ]
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Use parkers as a guide and print/save some examples on Autotrader of same spec / age cars for when the insurance company give you their first offer. If it weighs in lower than you expect send them the examples.

Don't forget to mention any valuables that were in the car, MacBook Pros, Faberge Eggs etc.
Author:  Mr Russell [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:25 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
Use parkers as a guide and print/save some examples on Autotrader of same spec / age cars for when the insurance company give you their first offer. If it weighs in lower than you expect send them the examples.

Don't forget to mention any valuables that were in the car, MacBook Pros, Faberge Eggs etc.

Oh yes, I understand the final bit for when they offer me the value of the car (assuming it is going to be counted as unrecoverable), as I've had that happen before when I've written off cars before.

Mimi and I are just unsure if there can be any advantage or disadvantage to filling this out on paperwork ahead of time.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:28 ]
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They've got their own valuers, this is a way of speeding things up for them if they think they can get a reasonable low first offer in.
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:29 ]
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I'd put in a value a few hundred quid over the best example I find on Autotrader / Parkers. Ball's in their court then and you haven't shot yourself in the foot.
Author:  Cavey [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:30 ]
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What Z said basically, I'd only add it might be worthwhile phoning your friendly local garage asking them typically what they would have offered to buy it off you (having firstly explained to them you need it for an insurance claim ;) ), and getting them to email/in writing, which can then use as part of your substantiation or not, depending on whether or not it's a helpful/high figure.

Really sorry to hear this mate, this sucks.
Author:  DBSnappa [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:33 ]
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Zardoz wrote:
I'd put in a value a few hundred quid over the best example I find on Autotrader / Parkers. Ball's in their court then and you haven't shot yourself in the foot.

:this:
Golden rule of all negotiations, and this is one, is whoever goes first, loses. I'd go £500 over what you think the car is worth, because they will try and pay you as little as possible.
Author:  Mimi [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:58 ]
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Cheers guys. I'm getting myself quite upset and tense over this process, and I've been feeling sick for days. Just seeing someone with *some* advice, when I feel we've been treading water for so long just trying to do our best to work out what we are doing, is helpful xx
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:00 ]
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I'm here to help. :luv:
Author:  Mr Russell [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:22 ]
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Cheers to you all; the advice really helps settle the mind, and thanks too to Dr Zoidberg who forewent the replying process here to come and stop by my desk :D
Author:  Mimi [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:27 ]
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Mr Russell wrote:
Cheers to you all; the advice really helps settle the mind, and thanks too to Dr Zoidberg who forewent the replying process here to come and stop by my desk :D

Well, that's not helping settle my mind. Zoidberg now has to stop by and see me. Bring biscuits.
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:08 ]
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I was going to say "come round to mine and have biscuits and a BBQ" but that requires a car, so do that once you are sorted.

I can possibly drop Russell home after work one day next week and say hi, as it wouldn't be far out of my way.
Author:  Mimi [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:33 ]
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That'd be lovely! Don't feel obliged to bring Russell, mind. I see that guy ALL of the time, and you'd be depriving me of a daily picture of 'Russell looking sad/ill on a bus' :DD
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:12 ]
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£100 for new window relay and fitting. Not too bad but could do without extra outgoings at the minute.
Author:  Jem [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 13:38 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Would

That's fucking glorious.


Looks like one of my vibrators.
Author:  DavPaz [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 13:52 ]
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Jem wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Would

That's fucking glorious.


Looks like one of my vibrators.

"20-foot-long" 8)
Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 13:59 ]
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Jem wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Would

That's fucking glorious.


Looks like one of my vibrators.


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Author:  Cavey [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 14:08 ]
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:o

Awesome, Jem. For once, I'm speechless lol :DD
Author:  Zardoz [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 14:31 ]
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The Merc has a cunt on the inside.
Author:  Jem [ Thu Aug 24, 2017 14:52 ]
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Obviously it's a bit bigger - like a 10x scale model or something :DD
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