You are the one who changed the statement that Doc made "millennials have less disposable income" to "mean wages haven't increased" in your own head. That is the very definition of a straw man argument!

For flips sake, it says allowing for inflation, people. I hardly think the ONS are going to make that mistake before making their (crystal clear) assertions. It also says ALL age groups, not just 38 year olds (or whatever). Read it.

As for the ONS being supposedly wrong, well, take that up with them, I've said all I need or want to say about it, case closed.

In the nicest possible way I have better stuff to do than to try to argue white is white with you guys so either believe it, or not, I really don't care.

You seriously don't think that by showing ONS data for people in their early 20s which absolutely objectively proves that the median inflation adjusted income for these specific age groups has gone up - a lot - in REAL TERMS - is not showing they have more disposable income than in the early 80s? Seriously, I give up.

You're wrong, end of (at least in terms of the stuff that I was claiming - now fully vindicated through citation of facts).
I'm honestly sorry if you or anyone else here can't deal with that, but I can't help you.

15k miles a year?! Cripes.

15k miles a year?! Cripes.

That's only slightly above average. I do about 12k.

Average is 8k, according to a lazy google. I do about 7 commuting. It just looked really high.

No way. I do 12k and my commute is 10 miles each way and every 5th week I have the work van.

This vehicle has done a genuine 43,203 miles ... The vehicle is that original that its still on 3 of its original tyres from when it left the factory,...
In 2004 it was SORNd (off road notice), we also have the certificate to prove this. When the vehicle was SORNd it was then dry stored in a integeral garage and was never left in the rain. Since the last MOT dated November 5 2003 (date of issue) the vehicle has only done 330 miles. This vehicle is in dry storage to date.

I never spend less than £70,000 on cars personally.

Looks like it has soul though.

Eh? I do just under 40 miles a day, 5 days a week and even if you exclude my annual leave it comes in at 10,400 miles a year.

It's surprisingly easy to rack up miles.

I'm about to spend £95,000 on its replacement, if that helps.

Ah, not actually that much then? Right you are.

Edit -- also, please note I didn't start a dick measuring contest around our levels of conspicuous consumption, so I'm surprised you're ducking out so early.

You honestly think I care what some obsessive little guy off the internet thinks, or does not think about my supposed wealth, not that I was even talking about that in the first place? Seriously?

When all is said and done, even if I am talking crap, I'm the one getting back into a £70k Porsche, so y'know, I'll get over it.

I'm about to spend £95,000 on its replacement, if that helps.

(To be fair, if you're short, chuck me in for a couple of "wild card" places and let me know how much I owe you mate )

Again, it's extraordinary the way you can build quite inaccurate impressions of someone off the Internet.

Are we talking about cars again? Good.

Although, irritatingly, all I want to know about is what Cavey is buying

Yes, you have a lovely internet persona.

You can't ring me pictures, and I know fuck all about Porsches.

I don't think anyone really cares about how much money you spend on cars, we were all a bit surprised to see it appear in the argument.

You can't ring me pictures, and I know fuck all about Porsches.

I don't think anyone really cares about how much money you spend on cars, we were all a bit surprised to see it appear in the argument.

Be lovely to see a pic of your new car, Cavey - salve mine and Grim...'s curiosity (and that of anyone else who wants to know). And for no other reason.

Thanks JBR, ever the gent that you are. A very much needed touch of class (DBS too).

I don't have it yet mate.