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If Grim... is anything like the scally racers my dad knew who put a rally engine in their Transit, I wouldn't be surprised at anything he's got in there.

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Sure, my old one had a V4 in it :D
Sacrilege to put anything other than another Ford engine in though :)


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Maybe it's just a 2.0 - I'm not super-sure, tbh. It's slow, I can tell you that :(

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It'd be interesting to plot a graph of these service station locations around the country, mapped against demographic of the residents there. Say, by income.


As I understand, people who race old cars or do time trials in them prefer leaded as well due to the higher octane rating.

From the two garages I know, they are small village garages that sell petrol as a sideline. You rarely see anyone buying petrol from them, they just sell it as a sideline to a repair business.


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Sure, my old one had a V4 in it :D
Sacrilege to put anything other than another Ford engine in though :)


It was still some kind of ford engine. it had a "warrior" head that cost £2000 or something. Apparently they found it fun to surprise people on the dual carriageways.

Optimax and Millers CVL I think is the highest "pump fuel" octane provider.

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Sorry, I didn't word that very well, I have a 2L Diesel Picasso. It's lubberly.
Oh, I see. I am quite impressed with the Picasso in terms of sheer practicality, if nothing else. The cabin design is very thoughtful.

Yeah, the kids love it, I'm sure they'll miss it just as much when it's gone.

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Optimax and Millers CVL I think is the highest "pump fuel" octane provider.[/color]
Nah, BP do 102RON on the pumps down near... Silverstone, is it? Somewhere down-south-ish, anyway.


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Optimax and Millers CVL I think is the highest "pump fuel" octane provider.[/color]
Nah, BP do 102RON on the pumps down near... Silverstone, is it? Somewhere down-south-ish, anyway.


Is that in case the F1 cars get lost on the way?

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It's for proper track/tuner mentallers, for sure. £3.50 a litre or something daft Only £2.42 a litre!


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Sorry, I didn't word that very well, I have a 2L Diesel Picasso. It's lubberly.

I would offer a nice 1.1l Punto, but my cousin has first dibs.

That's the sort of thing I'l be looking for to tide me over for a few months, but very cheaply. :)

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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?


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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?


An estate? A Corsa with the back seat down would do equally well :smug:

In fact, go by bike and get the dogs to tow you.


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Let's not have the Corsa discussion again.

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It's for proper track/tuner mentallers, for sure. £3.50 a litre or something daft Only £2.42 a litre!


If it does what it says on the tin then that's not a bad price really.

However don't fuel companies have to meddle with fuel between Summer and Winter to keep it within UK spec. With that in mind I wonder how track regulations come into force if you use it.


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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?
The serious answer to this is too long and tedious to type here. Ask me over lunch one day. I have no comedy answers.


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I have no comedy answers.


Ain't that the fucking truth. :DD :DD :DD :DD :DD


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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?


A taller car will deflect air better over the caravan.

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Ain't that the fucking truth. :DD :DD :DD :DD :DD
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It's for proper track/tuner mentallers, for sure. £3.50 a litre or something daft Only £2.42 a litre!


If it does what it says on the tin then that's not a bad price really.

However don't fuel companies have to meddle with fuel between Summer and Winter to keep it within UK spec. With that in mind I wonder how track regulations come into force if you use it.


I had a little read of that link and it actually says on that site that motor sport mentalists should check the regulations for whatever it is that they're taking part in before filling up with the stuff.


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Random thought... Woodsport will apparently take your MR2 and put a shiny Camry V6 in it with all the work done for £2500...

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How old and knackered is the V6 if they'll do it for that little?

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How old and knackered is the V6 if they'll do it for that little?
Shall we see if they want to buy my 150k miles oil-leaking Omega?


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Or my 100k miles non-leaking Rover V8?

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According to my MR2 owning colleague, Wood does good work for a good price.


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Yeah, but you'd struggle to get a good engine for that price...

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Yeah, but you'd struggle to get a good engine for that price...


Maybe they get them from Japania?


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On cars, I have a 55 reg Mazda 6 TS. It's a great car, but I've come to the conclusion that there is no way I need a car that size, and given the cost of petrol etc, it may be time to downsize, as it starts needing an MOT as of October and the warranty runs out.

I paid 10K for the Mazda, and reckon I can get £7000 for it now. I'm thinking about dropping to a Focus or something (I still want a 5d of some description), but I'm wondering if it's worthwhile - am I just going to lose out on the deal?

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According to my MR2 owning colleague, Wood does good work for a good price.

Is the £2.5k if you provide the engine? Because depending on what's involved it might not be an unreasonable price at that.


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On cars, I have a 55 reg Mazda 6 TS. It's a great car, but I've come to the conclusion that there is no way I need a car that size, and given the cost of petrol etc, it may be time to downsize, as it starts needing an MOT as of October and the warranty runs out.

I paid 10K for the Mazda, and reckon I can get £7000 for it now. I'm thinking about dropping to a Focus or something (I still want a 5d of some description), but I'm wondering if it's worthwhile - am I just going to lose out on the deal?

I have the same car and was wondering the same thing. I came to the conclusion that unless I drop right down to some tiny 1.4 diesel or something any savings would probably be outweighed by the hassle of selling a faultlessly reliable car and buying another second hand one that I can't be so sure of. But then I work from home and don't actually do all that many miles anyway so your sums will probably be a bit different.


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faultlessly reliable car

>:( RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH >:(

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Yeah, that's what I was worried about. I don't do many miles either - it's only got 22k on the clock.

Also - Hahahaha at Grim...

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Yeah you'd have to use a lot of fuel to catch up.


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Grim... wrote:
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>:( RRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH >:(

Mine Grim...

You bought the sporty one and probably thrashed it to within and inch of it's life. Actually you thrashed it until it was dead didn't you?

Anyway the normal, boring ones like mine and Craster's have an excellent reputation.


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So does the MPS :(
It's no the car I'm angry with, TBH - no model is without it's "unlucky" cars, it was Mazda UK's handling of the whole thing.

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Still, it's going soon. Mondeo Titanium X Sport for the win!

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Ah I thought it had gone ages ago.

Is the Mondeo 4WD or just front?


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We got it repaired ages ago. The Mondeo is FWD, so I'm looking forward to lots of understeer.

[edit]Amusingly, the gearbox has an "Economy" setting, which I bet is just a "sport" button in "off" mode.

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Yeah, but you'd struggle to get a good engine for that price...


Indeed. Hardcore Lotus Elise owners often like shoving a Honda Civic Type-R engine in their cars, and engine + fitting on one of those bad boys is upwards of £10k.


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Yeah, but you'd struggle to get a good engine for that price...


Indeed. Hardcore Lotus Elise owners often like shoving a Honda Civic Type-R engine in their cars, and engine + fitting on one of those bad boys is upwards of £10k.

Everything Lotus related is expensive though as you're paying specialist main dealer prices to get the work and an new Civic Type R engine is about £6-7k without the work.

Also, the MR-2 is a more a mainstream car than the Elise which probably needs a complete geometry tweak with a new more powerful engine in it.

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Grim... wrote:
We got it repaired ages ago. The Mondeo is FWD, so I'm looking forward to lots of understeer.

[edit]Amusingly, the gearbox has an "Economy" setting, which I bet is just a "sport" button in "off" mode.

I have a soft spot for most modern Fords due to the whizz that was the recently retire Richard Parry Jones who was the engineer genius responsible for the chassis development/sign off. They handle remarkably well and you can get just as much understeer out of AWD as you can FWD as you undoubtedly know.

Why don't you go the whole hog and get a ST220 - they can't give those fuckers away due to the size of the engine and the repmobile reputation of the Mondeo model - that is a good car.

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Can I take this opportunity to ask you, Dr Gaywood, why the hell you need a Picasso to convey only one child and two dogs when another estate would do that just as well and also be infinitely more pleasant to drive when you're NOT carrying the brood?

I suggested this as a good compromise, but he didn't seem keen.

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Why don't you go the whole hog and get a ST220 - they can't give those fuckers away due to the size of the engine and the repmobile reputation of the Mondeo model - that is a good car.


I'd quite like one, TBH, but you can't buy them new.

The Tit XS is the same engine (I think, the 2.5 220PSI boost one) though, just with a silly 'dualshift' (or something) gearbox.

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I suggested this as a good compromise, but he isn't made of money.

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I thought the ST220 is an NA 3l V6?


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How old and knackered is the V6 if they'll do it for that little?


I guess they keep your 3GSE or whatever. Maybe it costs more, it was some Random Bloke on MR2 forum. Labour costs would make sense, still it's interesting...

Toyo tires are surprisingly inexpensive- £50 or £75 for fronts and rears. Compared to the ones my boss's Volvo is meant to have (£250 each) that's cheap as chips. I think I paid about £40 a corner on my Fiat, but I am the kind of person to buy four matching tires rather than four random MOT get-you-throughs.

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I thought the ST220 is an NA 3l V6?

So it is - quite wrong there, then. The performance figures are almost identical, though.

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I thought the ST220 is an NA 3l V6?

So it is - quite wrong there, then. The performance figures are almost identical, though.

I'm still not certain I like the new redesign - it seems to be suffering from the usual malaise of modern safety features dictating aesthetics in a "all cars must be slab sided and will only look good with 20" wheels on them" mantra.
It does look nice as an estate, however.

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OK people, throw cars at me. I'm after a smallish 5-door car, 1.4 or 1.6, diesel if it's a decent engine, low tax, good mileage, and not dull as fuck.

Lets have your recommendations, anyone but Dudley.

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