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MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2018 21:24

But that is £99 more than you spend on fuel a month?

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2018 22:18

MaliA wrote:

But that is £99 more than you spend on fuel a month?

Cars aren't zero cost apart from fuel, dude.

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5146

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Lonewolves wrote:

I am seriously thinking about leasing an electric car.

Why? Do you use that much fuel a month?

About £100.

How much is a lease of a milk float?

There are some good deals at the moment. Found one for a Renault Zoe for £199 a month over three years for 8000 miles a year. Renault claim it does 250 miles per charge but real world tests say nearer 180. That would just get me to my parents in one go.

What’s the initial payment, and does that include the battery?
I know Renault used to list the battery lease separately whereas Nissan used to bundle it in.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2018 22:30

There's no separate battery lease if you lease the car. Initial payment is about a grand I think.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

Lonewolves wrote:

MaliA wrote:

But that is £99 more than you spend on fuel a month?

Cars aren't zero cost apart from fuel, dude.

I guess it all depends if you think you will spend up to £3600 on your current car in the next three years? And if you expect to spend less than that, is the extra cost of the new car worth it to have a new car, both in terms of experience and peace of mind.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Jul 19, 2018 22:34

Now I'm working in Derby I do worry about having an old car with potential issues down the line and it affecting my ability to get to work reliably.

I'm sitting on this idea for a couple of months to see how I feel once I'm settled in more at work anyway.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:06

markg wrote:

I am excite. Money in the bank for a new car! After much deliberation over all kinds and makes I've narrowed it down. So we drove a 2010 Type R GT today and liked it, I love the way the engine starts to howl and just generally goes fucking mental but only after 6000rpm. It even had just enough practicality to work as the main car. BUT, it was all a bit rattly! Going over any bumps I could hear the plastic everywhere. I don't know if it was a bad one or I'm just too used to my old BMW which still feels solid and quiet, it's a shame because they're meant to be pretty bombproof where it really counts but I just cannot abide hearing trim pieces shaking about.

Off to look at a MK6 Golf GTI tomorrow and maybe another Civic. I think unless I hate it I'll probably end up with a Golf, though. One of those with the semi automatic gearbox should be fun enough when needed but still good trudging through traffic and hopefully feel a bit better put together. I just need to choose right because a new car is a rare thing for me, whatever I get I'll be keeping it for five or six years at least and by then cars will almost be banned in favour of self-driving electric travel-pods so I need to make it at least slightly fun.

Good luck with the test drives, hope you find a decent one.

Are you taking your planes with you to test room?

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6507

Squirt wrote:

So we looked at online reviews and asked for advice and did some research, and then chucked it all away and the missus ended up getting a little Ford StreetKa, and I will be commuting in the Kia. It's basically "My First Sportscar", and it's an older model and a bit wonky in places, but she's been hooning it around the local country lanes shouting "weeeeeeeeeeee!", so I guess it's doing it's job.

So, this didn't last too well, as "a bit wonky in places" has actually turned into "engine conked out and now won't start" so back to the dealer it goes! However, a week of driving around in a nippy convertible has changed my wife into a speed freak and now she wants to get a Mazda MX-5 as a replacement.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

MX5s are great, much better than a StreetKa!
If you can find a good mk2.5, that would be my recommendation. Make sure you fit in it though, they can be a tight squeeze for a burly manly man to get into, otherwise it'll be your mrs hooning around without you

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6507

Trooper wrote:

otherwise it'll be your mrs hooning around without you

To be honest, I think that's already her plan.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Zardoz wrote:

markg wrote:

I am excite. Money in the bank for a new car! After much deliberation over all kinds and makes I've narrowed it down. So we drove a 2010 Type R GT today and liked it, I love the way the engine starts to howl and just generally goes fucking mental but only after 6000rpm. It even had just enough practicality to work as the main car. BUT, it was all a bit rattly! Going over any bumps I could hear the plastic everywhere. I don't know if it was a bad one or I'm just too used to my old BMW which still feels solid and quiet, it's a shame because they're meant to be pretty bombproof where it really counts but I just cannot abide hearing trim pieces shaking about.

Off to look at a MK6 Golf GTI tomorrow and maybe another Civic. I think unless I hate it I'll probably end up with a Golf, though. One of those with the semi automatic gearbox should be fun enough when needed but still good trudging through traffic and hopefully feel a bit better put together. I just need to choose right because a new car is a rare thing for me, whatever I get I'll be keeping it for five or six years at least and by then cars will almost be banned in favour of self-driving electric travel-pods so I need to make it at least slightly fun.

Good luck with the test drives, hope you find a decent one.

Are you taking your planes with you to test room?

Planes are easy, it's all the camping gear etc. I was even looking at SUVs but I'm fucked if I'm spending the rest of the time driving some massive big thing that I don't even like just because it would be good for camping and taking things to the tip.

I think this is going to be a waiting game. The Golf I was going to look at today had gone and there's just nothing else about.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2018 19:37

Might just run the Octavia for a few years and see what the state of play is with EVs then. Hopefully cheaper, better range and something bigger than the Zoe. The new Leaf would be pretty much spot on, but way too expensive currently.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

Lonewolves wrote:

Might just run the Octavia for a few years and see what the state of play is with EVs then. Hopefully cheaper, better range and something bigger than the Zoe. The new Leaf would be pretty much spot on, but way too expensive currently.

Probably the best move. If you can, maybe put the extra £100 a month in a savings account, so that if anything does go wrong on the octavia you at least have the choice of fixing it, or putting that saved cash down as the deposit on a Zoe if nothing else has turned up in the meantime.

GazChap · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2018 20:44

Just managed 58.8mpg on the way home from work in the Yaris, and filled up the tank for just under £30. Big difference compared to the 5GT (which got around 38mpg on the same run, and cost nearly £90 to fill up!)

It's a long way short of the supposed 85.6mpg that the Yaris Hybrid can get, but I expected as much - and anything over the BMW's consumption is good to me.

krazywookie · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2018 21:35

Driving lessons

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2018 21:53

GazChap wrote:

Just managed 58.8mpg on the way home from work in the Yaris, and filled up the tank for just under £30. Big difference compared to the 5GT (which got around 38mpg on the same run, and cost nearly £90 to fill up!)

It's a long way short of the supposed 85.6mpg that the Yaris Hybrid can get, but I expected as much - and anything over the BMW's consumption is good to me.

Yeah I don't see the point of hybrids tbh. I get 55mpg in the Octavia.

Does that 58.8mpg include the time the electric motor runs, or just when the petrol engine is working?

Dr Zoidberg · **Joined:** 15th Oct, 2010 **Posts:** 5146

A petrol hybrid doing 60mpg is still better for the environment than a diesel doing 60mpg.

myp · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2018 22:20

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

A petrol hybrid doing 60mpg is still better for the environment than a diesel doing 60mpg.

Oh yeah, of course. If that's your main reason for switching. I would like to reduce my carbon footprint for sure. It's just too expensive at the moment.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Jul 20, 2018 23:50

GazChap wrote:

Just managed 58.8mpg on the way home from work in the Yaris, and filled up the tank for just under £30. Big difference compared to the 5GT (which got around 38mpg on the same run, and cost nearly £90 to fill up!)

I was going to change this to a MPH thing but I'm too drunk. Pretend I did.

Feex!

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Lonewolves wrote:

Dr Zoidberg wrote:

A petrol hybrid doing 60mpg is still better for the environment than a diesel doing 60mpg.

Oh yeah, of course. If that's your main reason for switching. I would like to reduce my carbon footprint for sure. It's just too expensive at the moment.

In terms of your carbon footprint there's no difference I don't think. Diesels just spew out loads of horrible crap that's bad for anyone breathing it in.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Hmm, the more I read about Golf GTIs the more I think that they can be a bit high maintenance, with a variety of issues (timing chain tensioners, water pumps etc.) commonly affecting the ones I was looking at.

I know that there are plenty of horror stories about any car but there do seem to be more expensive surprise bills for the Golfs. Whereas apart from usual stuff the Civics seem to be mostly fine as long as you can remember to put some oil in them.

myp · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:17

I really liked my EP3 but no aircon and the fact it was bonkers loud and I kept getting people looking at me made me decide to get rid.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Been looking at Type R GTs which do have stuff like aircon and cruise control etc. Not sure how noisy they are from the outside but I don't think they're too bad with the standard exhaust. The also fitted LSDs to the age of car I'm looking at which apparently helped matters significantly.

They aren't quite as efficient as the Golf but I only do around 8000 miles a year anyway so it doesn't add up to much. I'm really talking myself into this now.

GazChap · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:05

Lonewolves wrote:

I really liked my EP3 but no aircon and the fact it was bonkers loud and I kept getting people looking at me made me decide to get rid.

Cripes, you'd really hate the Celica

Grim... · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:14

And the Tomcat.

You just have to get used to waving.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

The Tomcat is the quietest car I've ever seen

Grim... · **Posted:** Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:54

Right now it's pretty quiet, true

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Just put some money down on this one:

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It all looked pretty straight, drove well and had good service and MOT history. Picking it up this week!

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Correct choice IMO, and as you mentioned a few posts back, the era of Golfs you were looking at have all kinds of known issues with them, some of which can be fairly pricey to sort out, or just a pain in the arse, or both. (As do loads of German cars, they're so overrated.)

The Civic is basically bombproof, I had that generation of Type-R myself and it was a fine car - (and have owned many Hondas over the years, they pretty much just don't go wrong) - not exactly a luxurious interior but whereas VW would give you nice soft-touch materials on the inside and a load of important stuff that would break, the Civic is more concerned with working day after day, month after month, year after year.

(And the interior of the Civic is durable and long lasting.)

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:36

Sweet.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:38

Was that from Preston? Passed a red one for sale this morning that I was going to mention to you.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Garstang, that place that always has a row of VW campers.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:37

Oh yeah, I know the place.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Hearthly wrote:

Correct choice IMO, and as you mentioned a few posts back, the era of Golfs you were looking at have all kinds of known issues with them, some of which can be fairly pricey to sort out, or just a pain in the arse, or both. (As do loads of German cars, they're so overrated.)

The Civic is basically bombproof, I had that generation of Type-R myself and it was a fine car - (and have owned many Hondas over the years, they pretty much just don't go wrong) - not exactly a luxurious interior but whereas VW would give you nice soft-touch materials on the inside and a load of important stuff that would break, the Civic is more concerned with working day after day, month after month, year after year.

I mean it's eight years old so anything could happen but here's hoping.

Picking it up tomorrow. Got a pleasant surprise when I phoned my insurers to let them know. £236 for the full year, fully comp. Even cheaper than what it quoted on the comparison sites and almost no different than third party fire and theft on the BMW, which I don't really understand at all. Becoming old does have some benefits I guess.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

How old is the BMW in comparison? There is a sweet spot of age for insurance purposes, for example. If your beemer is older, at some point the premium rises.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Ah, quite a bit. It's nearly six years older now.

Findus Fop · **Joined:** 14th May, 2009 **Posts:** 4299

markg wrote:

Ah, quite a bit. It's nearly six years older now.

It's always going to be six years older.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

Brand and model also makes a difference, so does value.
Value has a similar profile to age, in that it starts to increase your premium as it gets cheaper after the value sweet spot.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Findus Fop wrote:

markg wrote:

Ah, quite a bit. It's nearly six years older now.

It's always going to be six years older.

No! I'll be going so fast in the Civic that the BMW will age faster or more slowly or something.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Love this car. It reminds me in a weird way of my old MX5, there's something about the feel of the controls just make you want to get a hold of it and really drive like a twat.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:15

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Which stereo has it got? The standard one or the upgraded one?

The upgraded one has got a big knob in the middle (fnaar), the standard one has a little knob off to the side.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16557

Normal one I think. It's decent enough, slightly tinny maybe.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1018723

This is lovely, it's in Glasgow though, ain't nobody got time for that.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:21

Get yourself a box of Toblerones and you'll be up in Scotland before you know it, Alan.

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:27

Trooper wrote:

This is lovely, it's in Glasgow though, ain't nobody got time for that.

dude, i drove all the way to glasgow just to leave a concert during the support act.

Grim... · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2018 13:40

GazChap wrote:

Trooper wrote:

This is lovely, it's in Glasgow though, ain't nobody got time for that.

dude, i drove all the way to glasgow just to leave a concert during the support act.

Is that when you went on the wrong day, or something?

myp · **Posted:** Wed Jul 25, 2018 14:14

Nope, he thought the support was the main act and didn't reckon it sounded much like the record. :DD

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10074

I'm not sure a better choice wouldn't have been to take a loan equivalent to what the Superb is costing me and dumping it into the 535d.

It's a lovely car, don't get me wrong, and it's nice to not be killing quite so many children and puppies, but I'm feeling a little bit Cavey about it at the moment

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1010315

This is also lovely

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