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Real missed opportunity for a Vorsprung Durch Techno gag, there.


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Heartly, you sound exactly like the guy who works here that everyone suspects to be a creepy rapist. Just FYI


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Heartly, you sound exactly like the guy who works here that everyone suspects to be a creepy rapist. Just FYI

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Heartly, you sound exactly like the guy who works here that everyone suspects to be a creepy rapist. Just FYI


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Possibly one of those things you should think in your head but go no further with.

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Sorry, I should have said "potential rapist". He's under investigation.

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Sorry, I should have said "potential rapist". He's under investigation.

Anyway, carry on! :D

That... doesn't really make it a less odd thing to say, dude.

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Sorry, I should have said "potential rapist". He's under investigation.

Anyway, carry on! :D

That... doesn't really make it a less odd thing to say, dude.

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Apart from actual rapists. They're just rapists.


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Everyone is a potential rapist.

You sound like a radfem

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Everyone is a potential rapist.

You sound like a radfem


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Everyone is a potential rapist.

You sound like a radfem


I don't think they should have recast girls in the Terry Waite film.

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Let's not derail the Car thread, eh chaps? Sorry for my comments.


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That still looks pretty train-y to me. :D

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Giphy "comedy train":
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Well that didn't work.


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That still looks pretty train-y to me. :D

Train car, innit?


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Well that didn't work.


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Lets get back on topic

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That colour-change pack is extra


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That colour-change pack is extra


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:DD

You barstewards :p

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Besides which, a Macan isn't a bloody Porsche. :p

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In video codecs, most frames that appears on the screen is defined in terms of the frames that proceeded it (and sometimes the ones that succeed it, too.) So if you have a still shot of a talking head, most of the frames will only contain data about the mouth movements, as the rest of the frame is still.


That's why Ghost in the Shell is only 8Kb.

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During that train video I said "Go on, you bad girl!" and my colleagues were most interested in what I was watching.

Until they saw what it was.

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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
We're not going to get much further without data. Ideally we'd need to establish some correlations, e.g.

1) played to x min y seconds: resumed fine
1) played to a min b seconds: resumed at c min d seconds

The questions are: for what maximum value of x:y does it go wrong, and what can we deduce from how a:b maps to c:d?


Well it's not the 59m59s thing, otherwise it'd simply refuse to handle tracks longer than that, or not display the elapsed time correctly, as it clearly does on my video earlier in the thread.

(Interestingly, the aftermarket Dension kit I had fitted to the Merc could only display 59m59s and then rolled over to 00m00s, but nonetheless it remembered which 'chunk' of 59m59s it was on, so clearly was recording an extra parameter somewhere behind the scenes. From the track in the video for example, it would display 73m11s as 13m11s, but would in fact resume play correctly from 73m11s.)

Thinking on further with the behaviour I've observed, on the first occasion I noticed it occur it actually resumed from the last but one point in the previous track it had played. i.e. I turned the car on and it should have resumed playback from near the start of the track 'Voices of Autumn', but what it actually did is go back to near the end of 'Neverending Melodies', which is the track that had been playing the last but one time I turned the car off. So it's not even like it just went right back to the start of Voices of Autumn as it can't go further back than 00m00s in a track, so it was definitely storing the previous value of its last but one shutdown point, and resumed from there. (i.e. It doesn't just go back a certain distance in the current track, but retrieves both the track and position from a previous shutdown, changing to that track if required.)

As for collecting the data you correctly identify as being required to take this further, that's not realistically going to happen with just me using the car for pretty much identical commutes the vast majority of the time, and with the intermittent nature of the problem it'd be hard to conclude if the bug occurred in a 50 minute track but not in a 40 minute track, that the 50 minute duration was definitely the issue, as it might just have behaved itself properly for the 40 minute track by random chance but the problem could still occur on a 40 minute track in the future.

We need more people with 2010 Audis fitted with the MMI-3G 'High' system, running the same software revision as mine, to perform further testing. That would possibly be overkill.

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Thinking on further with the behaviour I've observed, on the first occasion I noticed it occur it actually resumed from the last but one point in the previous track it had played. i.e. I turned the car on and it should have resumed playback from near the start of the track 'Voices of Autumn', but what it actually did is go back to near the end of 'Neverending Melodies', which is the track that had been playing the last but one time I turned the car off. So it's not even like it just went right back to the start of Voices of Autumn as it can't go further back than 00m00s in a track, so it was definitely storing the previous value of its last but one shutdown point, and resumed from there. (i.e. It doesn't just go back a certain distance in the current track, but retrieves both the track and position from a previous shutdown, changing to that track if required.)
Software engineers have a technical term for stuff like this: "haunted." Your car is haunted.


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That wouldn't have it i guess.

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Fucking genius. Seriously. :D

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Getting warmer ;)

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Software engineers have a technical term for stuff like this: "haunted." Your car is haunted.


It's an interesting bug and I'd love to know exactly what combination of circumstances causes it to occur, the 'only happens on very long tracks' is definitely one factor, and it's bizarre that the car is, for some reason, somewhere, storing details of what it was playing from a USB stick the last but one time it was turned off.

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Hearthly wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Software engineers have a technical term for stuff like this: "haunted." Your car is haunted.


It's an interesting bug and I'd love to know exactly what combination of circumstances causes it to occur, the 'only happens on very long tracks' is definitely one factor, and it's bizarre that the car is, for some reason, somewhere, storing details of what it was playing from a USB stick the last but one time it was turned off.

Unfortunately it's one of those we'll never, ever, get an answer to.


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During that train video I said "Go on, you bad girl!" and my colleagues were most interested in what I was watching.

Until they saw what it was.

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Hmm not sure if I've cleared the limp mode problem by giving my car a bit of an 'Italian tune-up' on the drives to and from work this week. Might have been the ghosts settling down after the new temp sensor being fitted. Fingers crossed.

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what it actually did is go back to near the end of 'Neverending Melodies',


I suppose keep starting the track again is one way to make it neverending

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I once had a very cheap CD headunit in my first car that couldn't remember where it got to on a CD, so would always start from the beginning. That was annoying.

I think it was wired in properly, as the clock and radio station memories would remain.

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AUDI ANNOYANCE.

The headlamp washers do their thing every single time I do a wash-wipe on the windscreen if the headlights are turned on.

This is a bad thing for an obvious reason, namely that in the winter there is a lot of shit getting thrown up off the roads, which necessitates fairly liberal use of the wash-wipe, and my headlights are on pretty much all the time I'm driving at this time of year. Therefore as the car also takes it upon itself to launch several gallons of water at the headlamps every time I use the wash-wipe, the bottle empties annoyingly quickly. (Which incidentally, doesn't have the most generous of capacities.)

It's definitely in 'slight irritant' territory rather than 'definite problem', but it seems an odd design choice. In the Merc for example, by default the headlamp washers would activate automatically every tenth application of the wash-wipe during a single driving session, but there was a button you could press to activate the headlamp washers separately if desired.

This seems to me like a better system.

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