Be Excellent To Each Other

Five years old, 84k

http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified ... &logcode=p

Get yo lease on!

That's in Portsmouth !

It's tempting. But damage is an issue.

I'm popping down that way on Saturday. I could pick it up for you. Just BACS transfer me £6k

It's always a gamble buying a car because you could end up with a bag of nails, but I'm leaning toward an engine that's done 17k miles over one that's done 100 miles when it comes to the need to replace bits.

Blackburn, 2010, 70k
http://www4.autotrader.co.uk/classified ... &logcode=p

Anyway, I've done what I can. You and the Dacia deserve each other.

You keep saying 100 miles. Do you mean 100k miles?

Oh. Yes. Soz. The phone writes stuff that I don't type in sometimes

Ha, I assumed you did mean 100 miles and that a four year-old car averaging 25 miles a year probably had an engine that didn't work anymore.

If it's mileage you're worried about, get one of these - they've all done 0 miles.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars ... itain.html

How do you mean?

Damaging the car on the gate posts for example

You can get damage insurance for that. Or not crash it.

Also, for the record, don't be put off by 100k miles. If it has a full service history and receipts it'll be fine. And something that's done 20k miles a year will almost certainly have spent a considerable chunk of it's time under stressed on the motorway.

It's electrical shit on cars that tends to fail more often so buying a cheap as chips car loaded to the gunwales with electronic tat, is more likely to have difficult and expensive to fix shit go wrong.

He won't listen. He's buying a fucking Dacia.

I understand that. I just don't want a 100k mile car. There's also interior wear to consider and bushings etc.


True, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Myp. Whilst I appreciate your input, i've seen nothing so far to suggest it as terrible idea as you're suggesting. I've read about and having had a sit in and prod around the interiors are mostly matt plastic, but for the 7k miles a year, of which 5 are trips of less than 15 minutes, it doesn't matter for the shirt time that'll be spent in it and having 2 kids in the back. They certainly ate no worse inside than the ka. It'll last 4 years and then be thrown. There's nothing to suggest reliability to be an issue, they appear to score highly in surveys, either.

If you consider a car dead money then I'm still scratching my head about why you aren't leasing one.

The only bad Dacias were the early UK spec Dusters which were built in India and had widespread corrosion problems. LHD ones for the rest of Europe were built in Romania alongside the Logan and had no such issues, and the RHD Dusters are now made there too.

Dacias have been quite popular over here as one of the local dealers added them to his franchise list.

They wouldn't be my cup of tea but I can definitely understand their appeal, and the people I know who've got them swear by them as being solid cars for a very reasonable price. (A colleague bought a brand new Duster for his weekend car, and put a bike rack on it, to take to all sorts of remote locations on the island, he says it's a fantastic vehicle for the money.)

The 4x4 ones actually have some 4x4 capability as well apparently.

Base specs are plain but it seems almost all have a few key upgrades and the ones with all the kit are quite nicely appointed.

If you just want a 'car' (as seems to be the case with Mali here), a sensible choice IMO.

I think James May fucked up Dacia's reputation in the UK by going on about the Sandero on Top Gear.

Never had any contact with them myself, but it couldn't possibly be any more spartan than the interior of my brother's C2. The exterior just continues inside, ffs!

Edit: Citroen C1, sorry

1991 (H reg) Peugeot 205 GTI makes over £25k at auction.... cripes, looks like classic hot hatches are the next car investor bandwagon, then:

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com ... at-auction

OK it's a very nice, restored example - but still..... that's just crazy money for a 205 hatch, considering the vast numbers that were made and still relatively large numbers remaining, and hot on the heels of nearly £100,000 for a Ford Sierra RS a month or two back. These 80s classics are obviously making a serious comeback; perhaps people are beginning to realise they are so much more rewarding and fun to drive than today's fat, bloated equivalents, weighed down with all such safety bobbins. Someone has shunned a much quicker, brand spanking new VW Golf GTI for this 30-odd year old little hatch.

Wish I'd kept my XR2i at this rate lol.

Jesus Christ.

Picking up a 206 GTi for less than a grand and sticking it in a barn for ten years is probably a sound idea right now.

Christ, even the 180 (the tuned version) can be yours for £600 - it wouldn't take much to tidy the interior and get the thrust bearing sorted: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... &logcode=p

Rallye Rallye Rallye

Big difference between a 205 and 206GTI though mate?
The 206 was pretty pants IIRC, because to be fair, it had to be. Those side impact bars etc. come at a terrible, terrible price in terms of driving dynamics and handling etc.

306 Rallye? Good car!
Last Pug I've driven that was even remotely any good as a drivers' car.

Yeah, right now it's about £24k! But in a decade or so it may well not be.


No bugger is going to drive it.

£££ £££ £££

Huh, actually this one is "only" £4k.

It looks a bit odd to me, though.

[edit]106, durr

[edit]Turns out the 205 is about the same price. That's almost certainly worth a punt for the future.

Btw, anyone ever tried lifting off the throttle in a 205GTI when on, or very close to the limit into a fast right hand corner...?
I have, and fuck me it scared the very shit out of me. Instead of the expected polite front-driver understeer nose-correction, the bloody thing oversteered wildly - and with no throttle control (no drive to the rear wheels), I must admit I just panicked and locked up anchors, whilst almost sideways. By pure luck, I got away with it.

These were wild, wild little cars, lairy as you chuffing-well-like, and very hard to drive genuinely fast point-to-point; people just don't realise nowadays. Imagine an Audi S3 doing that lol, someone would be getting sued!

You can get lift-off oversteer in the Puma if you try hard enough. Whee!

Personally I can't see the 206, 307 etc. ever rising beyond "total junk" status; a woffer is a woffer afterall. They were just too heavy and unsorted back in their day, let alone now, and shit to drive.
I don't think prices are necessarily rising because people are nostalgic for the 80s, though that could be a dimension. I think it's more to do with how genuinely entertaining these classic all-time hot hatches were to drive - because they weighed 800kg, not 1200-1500kg, and can never again exist (as new cars) because of all the NCAP and enviro stuff?

I think it's because people think the prices might keep going up. These cars are going to be investments.

Suddenly my wallet is twitching at this: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C724384

That looks very nice mate!
Famous last words etc., but it's hard to see how you'd ever lose money on something like that, and quite probably make a fair few bucks. But, why not get a ratter of a GTI?
GTI will always be the one people want, though for that dosh you'll not have anywhere as nice nick etc.

Yeah, had one for a couple of years. It was an absolute beast. Then it taught me an important lesson about changing timing chains in a timely fashion and was a beast with very little in the way of an engine block.

Gutted mate. Fucking cam chain tensioner issues.

I actually got the engine block rebuilt and hung onto it for another couple of years. It was a hell of a car.

I don't blame you. If you drove one of these, and then the very latest 308GTI back to back, you'd remind yourself why you went to all that trouble and expense, and held onto the car for years.
Which brings us back full circle, basically why I think there's all the interest now.

I managed the same in my Ka3, which took a hell of a lot of effort.
Didn't try it again....

You could get yourself a Dacia for that.

I never drove any of the interesting 80s cars, though I was a passenger in a few enthusiastically driven ones.

As usual, it's the people, our age that now have disposable incomes buying stuff they couldn't afford before.

... But let's be honest, we all know where the smart money goes, right Beexers? The perfect balance of power, charisma, ability and handling capabilities - not to mention panache and that most ephemeral of qualities: true 'Star Quality'. A true thoroughbred; *the* Drivers' Choice.

My Lords, Ladies and Gentlemen: THE Future Classic.

That's very true mate, so maybe Grim... is onto something afterall.

Did you just smiley post your own joke?

Yep, I sure did! Sorry, is that a netiquette faux pas? Oh well, I'll weather the shame of it all.
(Although, to be fair, I'm too useless to have worked out how to put said smiley below the attached image in the original post).

Hmmm... I'll allow for the childlike glee shown.

Don't let it happen again.

/internet police

Has to be the Tjin version though.