An Oklahoma baptist church has insisted it will proceed with its controversial plan to give away an AR-15 semiautomatic assault rifle* during a youth conference - a move described as "a way of trying to encourage young people to attend the event", according to local Koko 5 news.

There was also the bit in Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine about the bank that was giving a rifle away with every new account opened.

Why did we ban guns in this country, eh? It's not like gun crime has reduced.

There was also the bit in Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine about the bank that was giving a rifle away with every new account opened.

Why did we ban guns in this country, eh? It's not like gun crime has reduced.

He might if he was flying really low, and slowly, and you were a really good shot.

Anyway, just because it's obsolete for the purpose intended doesn't really make any difference as far as I can see - it's in the constitution, it's unlikely to ever be removed and judges have to interpret it as written.

We don't have some apparently unchangable 'constitutional right' to bear arms.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As long as they don't train the idiots how to shoot properly. They get all gangster holding the guns horizontally and all that, but it's actually a lot harder to hit anybody with a gun from even a few feet away without a lot of practice.

You can hold full-auto's sideways so they 'kick' from left to right, allowing you to spray a room more efficiently. The army call it the 'death grip' apparently, because if you're up against that many targets you a probably fucked.

This, of course, only works if the ejection port is facing towards the ground. Otherwise you get a bit of a jam, quite quickly, and you risk blowing your hands off

Really? The speed the shells are kicked out at I'd be surprised if gravity caused a problem, unless there's something well funny about the ejection mechanism.

The alternative is to join the French Army so that you get P90s, which have their ejection port on the bottom anyway.

I was thinking about that when I posted, oddly enough, as that's one that you could happily hold either way up if you wanted to be gangsta. And it's nice to see the French being kind to the lefties. I've always wondered how lefties cope with normal automatic weapons with the ejection port on the right side.

Lefties in the British Army are trained to fire right handed, I believe.

Anyway, when is all this caseless ammo gonna come in? Ejection port woes solved for ever!

Lefties in the British Army are trained to fire right handed, I believe.

Correct. The L85/SA80 is right-handed only. Terrible gun though, not because of all of the reliability problems that it had (which have now been sorted) but because swapping magazines is a ballache, you have to feel up your own armpits.

With the optical sight it was a piece of piss to target shoot with, though.

If I could get hold of one legally, I'd stick one of the L85 tritium sights on all of my guns. They're fucking brilliant.

I'm surprised if the sight's restricted, as that, surely, can't be classed as either dangerous or secret? Eejit guvmint.

Sinister Agent - Battle of Lexington? Where the Massachusetts Militia had been hording weapons, including heavy cannon, therefore proving that the War of Independence was not a spontaneous uprising sparked by British taxes, but a long planned and prepared for action?