Be Excellent To Each Other

Wii controls would be horrific in TMU imo, not to mention TMU really does look gorgeous in HD.

But apart from that, the wii has no decent online, TMU lives for being on a server with 200 other people (quite literally) and the Wii can't do that. You can't invite your friends to a game in progress, it's virtually impossible to properly construct a private one...

The Wii might be marginally nicer for building tracks though.

I have no confidence in a DS version whatsoever.



But as we point out above, Cannon Fodder wasn't exactly the start of a new genre, it's an evolution of Airbourne Ranger and its ilk (which incidentally had the promotion after successful mission for alive characters thing). If it's a new genre, so is Red Steel.



The key point is "party".

If you permanently have 4 mates round, the wii makes sense. As a single player console? Not...so...much.

I'd say CF = Lemmings + Commando. My point, which wasn't obvious, was that CF was original IP at the time, if not an entirely original game (if that makes sense). However, it simple couldn't exist today without a big ol' licence, despite it being a #1 title in 1993.

I thought syndicate was pretty funky.

I don't see why not, Viva Pinata exists, Pheonix Wright was made, so were Elite Beat Agents, Portal, Trackmania etc.

What is stopping Jops doing a Yak and building something for XBLA? Genuine question because if Minter can get Space Giraffe published, Jops should be able to do something.

Gimme an 'F', gimme a 'T' etc.

Space Giraffe didn't sell though.

That's either because the entire public are idiots (Minter)

Or that it was completely fucking incomprehensible without prior Minter knowledge (everyone else)

Good sunglasses, them Prior Minter Knowledges.

Well that too of course. He lost me as soon as he said "you don't need to see a game to do it, you play by sound!", when you can't hear this "sound" over the annoying danceloop.

Yep, that sounds like Space Giraffe to me-FTFY.

All that is beside the point - it got made available.

Of course Teh Hardcore didn't buy it. Despite it costing less than the copy of Edge magazine that they were bitching about the review scores on.

Didn't they? I thought they were about the only people who DID buy it. I mean, my own purchase of it was because I approve of SG in theory, very strongly in fact, despite it being a rancid game.

I don't know if Jops has any particular original game ideas he'd love to bring to XBL, but I know I'd love to see some of the Sensi back-catalogue thoroughly probed, if that's do-able. I don't imagine Wizkid would get Microsoft's interest much, but cor, wouldn't Cannon Fodder work well?

http://www.hsmx.com/cyoa/playad.php?id=97&new=1

I'm officially going to write a new version of that with Fighting Fantasy rules soon.

Hmmm, I think there's a bit too much reading into what Jops said, without actually reading what Jops actually said. Like.

What is it that Jops said?

Yus. I mean, I just entirely disagree with Mr. Jops on this, unless the point were changed to 'The destruction of most of the British games industry in the late 90s really fucked sucked, and still sucks'. Also, I'm weak and pitifully unable to resist making jokes about Space Giraffe.

Aye, but even then, it's not the most innovative game in the sense you were talking about earlier. For me, the problem isn't so much that fresh ideas are lacking (hell, even shmups, which may seem incredibly conservative on the surface, are constantly evolving in all sorts of directions), it's that there's a severe deficit of 'soul'. On the one hand, I'm disgusted by the thousands of charmless and boring FPS games that are released every quarter of an hour, and on the other I'm soiling my pants over Mega Man 9, Otomedius, Wario Land: Shake, Raiden IV, etc. Games that might not have one brand new idea between them, but which I'm excited about because I know they're labours of love that espouse the kind of design philosophies I've always admired.

And this is why I played a custom soundtrack during the game. Of silence.

And that is how I managed to get a top 80 score.

I can't help but think I'm cheating when I do that.

Wheras I can't help but feel that I'm actually having some degree of fun rather than cluelessly going "whuh" because I got killed by something hidden in Minters horrific pile of mess.

Indeed, if you turn off the sound, and fiddle with your telly a bit, a semi-alright version of Tempest is revealed.

space giraffe is a lot of fun thoughm bullying is quite satisfying (although the game is incredibly frusty as well at times)
but as said before, i don't think there will be many space giraffes on xbla anymore

Well indeed, so instead I go and play something fun.

The thing is, it actually was fun. Until he entirely borked it with the update.

I know what you meant, but I'm choosing to believe that you agree that Minter's 'update' of Tempest, for XBL, is a non-fun thing, borked by his wacky stylization. I know that's not what you said but y'know - heeee!

Fuck yeah. It was my number one all time favourite game until GTA: San Andreas came out and gave me the same kind of vehicular sandbox mayhem... but with modern graphics, controls and a world that reacted without spending hours setting up those collision windows and writing triggers and flags and stuff.

I'm still on the SIFA (Stunt Island Filmmaker's Association) Yahoo group... if I had some webspace I could shock them by finally releasing my Blade Runner parody that I made back in 1999.